anxiety level.

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[quote=SD Realtor]
I know that it is not the same a smoking pot. In my youth I had plenty of experiences with pot and it is a gateway drug. [/quote]

Most all of my acquaintances that used MJ (hey I grew up in the 70s, if you don’t have friends that do that, you don’t have friends in the 70s) never moved to anything stronger.

Maybe you’re talking about the other way around – people who use stronger drugs almost always started with MJ.

If that is the case, then consider the words of the late George Carlin: Mother’s milk leads to EVERYTHING!

[SD Realtor]

What I am saying is making something legal does not infer that it is good or healthy. (see cigarettes and alcohol)

Please do not try to justify legalizing the smoking of pot by saying something crass like better high at home then in jail. How would you feel if your stoned 16 year old left home, got in a car, and ran into someone? Better high at home then in jail? Not for the victim. No better off that your kid IS in jail.

Teaching your kids what is right and not right is not made easier when society legalizes unhealthy habits THAT LEAD TO ADDICTION. Alcohol is quite legal yet last I checked plenty of people DIE because others cannot control themselves as they drink, drive and then kill. You can sit there and say pot is not like that, I am okay with my kid getting stoned and playing video games. Fine then make sure your kid is locked in the house because I don’t want your kid anywhere out in public stoned. Not on the street, not on a bike, not in a car. If you think that your kid will not drink after getting stoned or do other drugs then you are incorrect.

I KNOW I am in the minority here because so much of our society does it. My stance on this is not going to win me a popularity contest. That is okay with me. Destructive and addictive behavior is a personal choice however I do not see legalization as a step in the right direction in a society that CLEARLY has a documented history of LACK OF SELF CONTROL.

[SD Realtor]

What I am saying is making something legal does not infer that it is good or healthy. (see cigarettes and alcohol)

Please do not try to justify legalizing the smoking of pot by saying something crass like better high at home then in jail. How would you feel if your stoned 16 year old left home, got in a car, and ran into someone? Better high at home then in jail? Not for the victim. No better off that your kid IS in jail.

Teaching your kids what is right and not right is not made easier when society legalizes unhealthy habits THAT LEAD TO ADDICTION. Alcohol is quite legal yet last I checked plenty of people DIE because others cannot control themselves as they drink, drive and then kill. You can sit there and say pot is not like that, I am okay with my kid getting stoned and playing video games. Fine then make sure your kid is locked in the house because I don’t want your kid anywhere out in public stoned. Not on the street, not on a bike, not in a car. If you think that your kid will not drink after getting stoned or do other drugs then you are incorrect.

I KNOW I am in the minority here because so much of our society does it. My stance on this is not going to win me a popularity contest. That is okay with me. Destructive and addictive behavior is a personal choice however I do not see legalization as a step in the right direction in a society that CLEARLY has a documented history of LACK OF SELF CONTROL.

[SD Realtor]

What I am saying is making something legal does not infer that it is good or healthy. (see cigarettes and alcohol)

Please do not try to justify legalizing the smoking of pot by saying something crass like better high at home then in jail. How would you feel if your stoned 16 year old left home, got in a car, and ran into someone? Better high at home then in jail? Not for the victim. No better off that your kid IS in jail.

Teaching your kids what is right and not right is not made easier when society legalizes unhealthy habits THAT LEAD TO ADDICTION. Alcohol is quite legal yet last I checked plenty of people DIE because others cannot control themselves as they drink, drive and then kill. You can sit there and say pot is not like that, I am okay with my kid getting stoned and playing video games. Fine then make sure your kid is locked in the house because I don’t want your kid anywhere out in public stoned. Not on the street, not on a bike, not in a car. If you think that your kid will not drink after getting stoned or do other drugs then you are incorrect.

I KNOW I am in the minority here because so much of our society does it. My stance on this is not going to win me a popularity contest. That is okay with me. Destructive and addictive behavior is a personal choice however I do not see legalization as a step in the right direction in a society that CLEARLY has a documented history of LACK OF SELF CONTROL.

[SD Realtor]

What I am saying is making something legal does not infer that it is good or healthy. (see cigarettes and alcohol)

Please do not try to justify legalizing the smoking of pot by saying something crass like better high at home then in jail. How would you feel if your stoned 16 year old left home, got in a car, and ran into someone? Better high at home then in jail? Not for the victim. No better off that your kid IS in jail.

Teaching your kids what is right and not right is not made easier when society legalizes unhealthy habits THAT LEAD TO ADDICTION. Alcohol is quite legal yet last I checked plenty of people DIE because others cannot control themselves as they drink, drive and then kill. You can sit there and say pot is not like that, I am okay with my kid getting stoned and playing video games. Fine then make sure your kid is locked in the house because I don’t want your kid anywhere out in public stoned. Not on the street, not on a bike, not in a car. If you think that your kid will not drink after getting stoned or do other drugs then you are incorrect.

I KNOW I am in the minority here because so much of our society does it. My stance on this is not going to win me a popularity contest. That is okay with me. Destructive and addictive behavior is a personal choice however I do not see legalization as a step in the right direction in a society that CLEARLY has a documented history of LACK OF SELF CONTROL.

[SD Realtor]

What I am saying is making something legal does not infer that it is good or healthy. (see cigarettes and alcohol)

Please do not try to justify legalizing the smoking of pot by saying something crass like better high at home then in jail. How would you feel if your stoned 16 year old left home, got in a car, and ran into someone? Better high at home then in jail? Not for the victim. No better off that your kid IS in jail.

Teaching your kids what is right and not right is not made easier when society legalizes unhealthy habits THAT LEAD TO ADDICTION. Alcohol is quite legal yet last I checked plenty of people DIE because others cannot control themselves as they drink, drive and then kill. You can sit there and say pot is not like that, I am okay with my kid getting stoned and playing video games. Fine then make sure your kid is locked in the house because I don’t want your kid anywhere out in public stoned. Not on the street, not on a bike, not in a car. If you think that your kid will not drink after getting stoned or do other drugs then you are incorrect.

I KNOW I am in the minority here because so much of our society does it. My stance on this is not going to win me a popularity contest. That is okay with me. Destructive and addictive behavior is a personal choice however I do not see legalization as a step in the right direction in a society that CLEARLY has a documented history of LACK OF SELF CONTROL.

[PCinSD]

Cool OT thread. I could be wrong, but I don’t think the economic benefit of legalizing marijuana would outweigh the damage of having legal marijuana bars (not just for folks w/prescriptions) here in town. I’ve been around pot before and don’t have any particular personal hang-ups with it. There are obvious differences between pot and alcohol, so don’t try to compare them in a manner that suggests they should be treated the same. Also, there would be a far greater percentage of recreational smokers than there are people who smoke for legitimate health purposes. In other words, legalizing it would result in more people using it simply to get high. Unlike alcohol, with pot you generally get high every time you smoke. With alcohol, you can drink one beer, get in your car and drive – legally, as long as you are not “impaired” or above the legal limit. One beer doesn’t get you stoned the way one hit off a bong probably would. Would the law then be that it is illegal to drive after any amount of pot smoking? Just seems to open a big can of worms, and a legal nightmare.

I’ve never been to any of the countries that have legal marijuana bars. It would be interesting to see what effect this has had on their society.

In any event, I gotta go with SD Realtor on this. I got no problem with keeping it illegal. Also, it would be unpatriotic to legalize it. Think how many folks in the DEA would be out of work? Probably some lay-offs in other governmental entities as well. Keeping pot illegal provides decent American families with well paying jobs in our government.

[PCinSD]

Cool OT thread. I could be wrong, but I don’t think the economic benefit of legalizing marijuana would outweigh the damage of having legal marijuana bars (not just for folks w/prescriptions) here in town. I’ve been around pot before and don’t have any particular personal hang-ups with it. There are obvious differences between pot and alcohol, so don’t try to compare them in a manner that suggests they should be treated the same. Also, there would be a far greater percentage of recreational smokers than there are people who smoke for legitimate health purposes. In other words, legalizing it would result in more people using it simply to get high. Unlike alcohol, with pot you generally get high every time you smoke. With alcohol, you can drink one beer, get in your car and drive – legally, as long as you are not “impaired” or above the legal limit. One beer doesn’t get you stoned the way one hit off a bong probably would. Would the law then be that it is illegal to drive after any amount of pot smoking? Just seems to open a big can of worms, and a legal nightmare.

I’ve never been to any of the countries that have legal marijuana bars. It would be interesting to see what effect this has had on their society.

In any event, I gotta go with SD Realtor on this. I got no problem with keeping it illegal. Also, it would be unpatriotic to legalize it. Think how many folks in the DEA would be out of work? Probably some lay-offs in other governmental entities as well. Keeping pot illegal provides decent American families with well paying jobs in our government.

[PCinSD]

Cool OT thread. I could be wrong, but I don’t think the economic benefit of legalizing marijuana would outweigh the damage of having legal marijuana bars (not just for folks w/prescriptions) here in town. I’ve been around pot before and don’t have any particular personal hang-ups with it. There are obvious differences between pot and alcohol, so don’t try to compare them in a manner that suggests they should be treated the same. Also, there would be a far greater percentage of recreational smokers than there are people who smoke for legitimate health purposes. In other words, legalizing it would result in more people using it simply to get high. Unlike alcohol, with pot you generally get high every time you smoke. With alcohol, you can drink one beer, get in your car and drive – legally, as long as you are not “impaired” or above the legal limit. One beer doesn’t get you stoned the way one hit off a bong probably would. Would the law then be that it is illegal to drive after any amount of pot smoking? Just seems to open a big can of worms, and a legal nightmare.

I’ve never been to any of the countries that have legal marijuana bars. It would be interesting to see what effect this has had on their society.

In any event, I gotta go with SD Realtor on this. I got no problem with keeping it illegal. Also, it would be unpatriotic to legalize it. Think how many folks in the DEA would be out of work? Probably some lay-offs in other governmental entities as well. Keeping pot illegal provides decent American families with well paying jobs in our government.

[PCinSD]

Cool OT thread. I could be wrong, but I don’t think the economic benefit of legalizing marijuana would outweigh the damage of having legal marijuana bars (not just for folks w/prescriptions) here in town. I’ve been around pot before and don’t have any particular personal hang-ups with it. There are obvious differences between pot and alcohol, so don’t try to compare them in a manner that suggests they should be treated the same. Also, there would be a far greater percentage of recreational smokers than there are people who smoke for legitimate health purposes. In other words, legalizing it would result in more people using it simply to get high. Unlike alcohol, with pot you generally get high every time you smoke. With alcohol, you can drink one beer, get in your car and drive – legally, as long as you are not “impaired” or above the legal limit. One beer doesn’t get you stoned the way one hit off a bong probably would. Would the law then be that it is illegal to drive after any amount of pot smoking? Just seems to open a big can of worms, and a legal nightmare.

I’ve never been to any of the countries that have legal marijuana bars. It would be interesting to see what effect this has had on their society.

In any event, I gotta go with SD Realtor on this. I got no problem with keeping it illegal. Also, it would be unpatriotic to legalize it. Think how many folks in the DEA would be out of work? Probably some lay-offs in other governmental entities as well. Keeping pot illegal provides decent American families with well paying jobs in our government.

[PCinSD]

Cool OT thread. I could be wrong, but I don’t think the economic benefit of legalizing marijuana would outweigh the damage of having legal marijuana bars (not just for folks w/prescriptions) here in town. I’ve been around pot before and don’t have any particular personal hang-ups with it. There are obvious differences between pot and alcohol, so don’t try to compare them in a manner that suggests they should be treated the same. Also, there would be a far greater percentage of recreational smokers than there are people who smoke for legitimate health purposes. In other words, legalizing it would result in more people using it simply to get high. Unlike alcohol, with pot you generally get high every time you smoke. With alcohol, you can drink one beer, get in your car and drive – legally, as long as you are not “impaired” or above the legal limit. One beer doesn’t get you stoned the way one hit off a bong probably would. Would the law then be that it is illegal to drive after any amount of pot smoking? Just seems to open a big can of worms, and a legal nightmare.

I’ve never been to any of the countries that have legal marijuana bars. It would be interesting to see what effect this has had on their society.

In any event, I gotta go with SD Realtor on this. I got no problem with keeping it illegal. Also, it would be unpatriotic to legalize it. Think how many folks in the DEA would be out of work? Probably some lay-offs in other governmental entities as well. Keeping pot illegal provides decent American families with well paying jobs in our government.

[Ren]

While I’m for legalizing it, I can see the arguments against that are logical. Still, it’s not enough to sway me. Here’s an interesting article on the Netherlands and the result of their decriminalization:

http://www.ucsc.edu/currents/03-04/05-03/drug_study.html

Whether we decriminalize it or not, at the very least, we need to minimize the penalties for users. A minor caught drinking alcohol gets a slap on the wrist – it should be the same for pot users, especially considering the difference between those drugs (alcohol is highly toxic, not to mention how it can make users aggressive, while pot tends to do the opposite). In most states, you can be thrown in jail for possessing tiny amounts (luckily CA is pretty relaxed, with no more than a $100 fine for less than an ounce). As a tax payer, I don’t want to pay for jail time for minor infractions, when it obviously does nothing.

The number cited in the article, 720,000 arrested in one year, astounds me. We could eliminate most of that, save enormous amounts of money, and have drug usage remain virtually unchanged or even decrease? Sounds good to me. If I’m going to be taxed, let it be for drug education, not for throwing perfectly good people into jail.

Just as an aside, if you think it is in any way difficult for your kids to get pot, you need to have a frank discussion with them and learn the truth. I don’t use it personally, but I know several people that do, and they’re 40-ish, white collar professionals. Think what it’s like on a high school campus.

[Ren]

While I’m for legalizing it, I can see the arguments against that are logical. Still, it’s not enough to sway me. Here’s an interesting article on the Netherlands and the result of their decriminalization:

http://www.ucsc.edu/currents/03-04/05-03/drug_study.html

Whether we decriminalize it or not, at the very least, we need to minimize the penalties for users. A minor caught drinking alcohol gets a slap on the wrist – it should be the same for pot users, especially considering the difference between those drugs (alcohol is highly toxic, not to mention how it can make users aggressive, while pot tends to do the opposite). In most states, you can be thrown in jail for possessing tiny amounts (luckily CA is pretty relaxed, with no more than a $100 fine for less than an ounce). As a tax payer, I don’t want to pay for jail time for minor infractions, when it obviously does nothing.

The number cited in the article, 720,000 arrested in one year, astounds me. We could eliminate most of that, save enormous amounts of money, and have drug usage remain virtually unchanged or even decrease? Sounds good to me. If I’m going to be taxed, let it be for drug education, not for throwing perfectly good people into jail.

Just as an aside, if you think it is in any way difficult for your kids to get pot, you need to have a frank discussion with them and learn the truth. I don’t use it personally, but I know several people that do, and they’re 40-ish, white collar professionals. Think what it’s like on a high school campus.

[Ren]

While I’m for legalizing it, I can see the arguments against that are logical. Still, it’s not enough to sway me. Here’s an interesting article on the Netherlands and the result of their decriminalization:

http://www.ucsc.edu/currents/03-04/05-03/drug_study.html

Whether we decriminalize it or not, at the very least, we need to minimize the penalties for users. A minor caught drinking alcohol gets a slap on the wrist – it should be the same for pot users, especially considering the difference between those drugs (alcohol is highly toxic, not to mention how it can make users aggressive, while pot tends to do the opposite). In most states, you can be thrown in jail for possessing tiny amounts (luckily CA is pretty relaxed, with no more than a $100 fine for less than an ounce). As a tax payer, I don’t want to pay for jail time for minor infractions, when it obviously does nothing.

The number cited in the article, 720,000 arrested in one year, astounds me. We could eliminate most of that, save enormous amounts of money, and have drug usage remain virtually unchanged or even decrease? Sounds good to me. If I’m going to be taxed, let it be for drug education, not for throwing perfectly good people into jail.

Just as an aside, if you think it is in any way difficult for your kids to get pot, you need to have a frank discussion with them and learn the truth. I don’t use it personally, but I know several people that do, and they’re 40-ish, white collar professionals. Think what it’s like on a high school campus.

[Ren]

While I’m for legalizing it, I can see the arguments against that are logical. Still, it’s not enough to sway me. Here’s an interesting article on the Netherlands and the result of their decriminalization:

http://www.ucsc.edu/currents/03-04/05-03/drug_study.html

Whether we decriminalize it or not, at the very least, we need to minimize the penalties for users. A minor caught drinking alcohol gets a slap on the wrist – it should be the same for pot users, especially considering the difference between those drugs (alcohol is highly toxic, not to mention how it can make users aggressive, while pot tends to do the opposite). In most states, you can be thrown in jail for possessing tiny amounts (luckily CA is pretty relaxed, with no more than a $100 fine for less than an ounce). As a tax payer, I don’t want to pay for jail time for minor infractions, when it obviously does nothing.

The number cited in the article, 720,000 arrested in one year, astounds me. We could eliminate most of that, save enormous amounts of money, and have drug usage remain virtually unchanged or even decrease? Sounds good to me. If I’m going to be taxed, let it be for drug education, not for throwing perfectly good people into jail.

Just as an aside, if you think it is in any way difficult for your kids to get pot, you need to have a frank discussion with them and learn the truth. I don’t use it personally, but I know several people that do, and they’re 40-ish, white collar professionals. Think what it’s like on a high school campus.

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