Am I a racist?

[Arraya]

[quote=njtosd]

Is Wall Mart where you go to buy walls? And is the weariness from reviewing the statistics?[/quote]

Did you have anything to add? Or did you just want to poke fun at my goof?

[njtosd]

[quote=Arraya][quote=njtosd]

Is Wall Mart where you go to buy walls? And is the weariness from reviewing the statistics?[/quote]

Did you have anything to add? Or did you just want to poke fun at my goof?[/quote]

The post to which you were responding included a variety of statistics. Whether they were valid, whether you agree, whether they are debatable are all questions that would be worth raising. Instead you chose to head off on what you thought was a humorous rant against a rather obscure group of people, complete with sweeping, unsupported and insulting generalizations (and misspellings). And then you made a little smiley face, for reasons that didn’t make much sense to me. My response to you was intended to be as well thought out as I thought yours was to the comment to which you were responding. That was what I had to add.

[njtosd]

[quote=Arraya][quote=njtosd]

Is Wall Mart where you go to buy walls? And is the weariness from reviewing the statistics?[/quote]

Did you have anything to add? Or did you just want to poke fun at my goof?[/quote]

The post to which you were responding included a variety of statistics. Whether they were valid, whether you agree, whether they are debatable are all questions that would be worth raising. Instead you chose to head off on what you thought was a humorous rant against a rather obscure group of people, complete with sweeping, unsupported and insulting generalizations (and misspellings). And then you made a little smiley face, for reasons that didn’t make much sense to me. My response to you was intended to be as well thought out as I thought yours was to the comment to which you were responding. That was what I had to add.

[njtosd]

[quote=Arraya][quote=njtosd]

Is Wall Mart where you go to buy walls? And is the weariness from reviewing the statistics?[/quote]

Did you have anything to add? Or did you just want to poke fun at my goof?[/quote]

The post to which you were responding included a variety of statistics. Whether they were valid, whether you agree, whether they are debatable are all questions that would be worth raising. Instead you chose to head off on what you thought was a humorous rant against a rather obscure group of people, complete with sweeping, unsupported and insulting generalizations (and misspellings). And then you made a little smiley face, for reasons that didn’t make much sense to me. My response to you was intended to be as well thought out as I thought yours was to the comment to which you were responding. That was what I had to add.

[njtosd]

[quote=Arraya][quote=njtosd]

Is Wall Mart where you go to buy walls? And is the weariness from reviewing the statistics?[/quote]

Did you have anything to add? Or did you just want to poke fun at my goof?[/quote]

The post to which you were responding included a variety of statistics. Whether they were valid, whether you agree, whether they are debatable are all questions that would be worth raising. Instead you chose to head off on what you thought was a humorous rant against a rather obscure group of people, complete with sweeping, unsupported and insulting generalizations (and misspellings). And then you made a little smiley face, for reasons that didn’t make much sense to me. My response to you was intended to be as well thought out as I thought yours was to the comment to which you were responding. That was what I had to add.

[njtosd]

[quote=Arraya][quote=njtosd]

Is Wall Mart where you go to buy walls? And is the weariness from reviewing the statistics?[/quote]

Did you have anything to add? Or did you just want to poke fun at my goof?[/quote]

The post to which you were responding included a variety of statistics. Whether they were valid, whether you agree, whether they are debatable are all questions that would be worth raising. Instead you chose to head off on what you thought was a humorous rant against a rather obscure group of people, complete with sweeping, unsupported and insulting generalizations (and misspellings). And then you made a little smiley face, for reasons that didn’t make much sense to me. My response to you was intended to be as well thought out as I thought yours was to the comment to which you were responding. That was what I had to add.

[CA renter]

[quote=urbanrealtor]CAR:
While I find it kind of funny and ironic how you misuse terms and numbers to claim that you are “revealing fraud” or teaching us “reality” or “logic”, its really that I find it more humorous than enlightening.

Even when discussing your numbers of incarcerated offenders, the majority is non-black.

Hispanicism is not a race.

Its an ethnicity.

That is why Charlie Sheen is both white and hispanic (as am I).

You make this big argument that we need talk about this like adults and then you make these facile points about demographics.

Its not that I disagree its just that they are useless in everyday life.

You are right in that most white people who fear black people do not go through the whole chain of who owned who.
Most white people who fear blacks (I am guessing you are one)just think “black = bad”.
Then they try to dress it up with either some tortured chain of logic (like I put out) or some study about how 1 in 33 black men is in prison (like you did).
Either way its the same thing.
Its people using physical characteristics to impute social behavior.
The world does not actually work that way.
Evaluation for specific situations needs to focus on specific issues.
Its just as non-valid to deny a black tenant using your logic as it is to deny black patrons.
If you are screening tenants, you need to stick to what is important.
A rental applicant with a good rental history and solid credit is a better than one who is not.
Their national or racial religious background is not a good indicator.
What you are really arguing against here, CAR, is civil rights.
If one uses really broad studies of race or ethnic origin as a guide there is always some way to rationalize discrimination.
There were real problems with banking in pre-holocaust Germany.
There were real jobs shortages in some US cities prior to the Chinese Exclusion Act.
There are major gang issues now along the US-Mexican border.
Some argue that justifies ethnic-driven law enforcement.
This isn’t a new thing.

Here is one of my favorite cartoons on the subject.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:The_only_one_barred_out_cph.3b48680.jpg%5B/quote%5D

Show one example where I misused terms or numbers.

Also, I never said that “Hispanic” was a race — check out the links to see how the stats are laid out. Statistically, whites are often broken down into “Non-Hispanic Whites” and “Whites” (including Hispanic) groups.

You claim that I am clueless about what constitutes short sale fraud, but I’m the only one who provided facts, multiple links, and logic to support my assertions. You simply curse and/or call people names when they disagree with you, hoping to shut them down.

Here you go, again:

“Most white people who fear blacks (I am guessing you are one) just think “black = bad”.
Then they try to dress it up with either some tortured chain of logic (like I put out) or some study about how 1 in 33 black men is in prison (like you did).”

You are, yet again, trying to distract the attention from the fact that these claims from your original post…

[quote=urbanrealtor]
Most welfare recipients are white.
Most criminals are white.[/quote]

…are not true.

Then, you tried to repeat it again, but twisted YOUR words to make it sound more accurate:

[quote=urbanrealtor]

Even when discussing your numbers of incarcerated offenders, the majority is non-black.[/quote]

You are the only one “twisting words” and have **wrongly** implied that I’m “afraid of blacks” and think that “black = bad” when I never said nor implied anything of the sort.

I’m merely pointing out that what many people consider “racism” is simply people’s consideration of **statistical facts** when having to make quick decisions about people.

If we don’t address the causes of this type of “racism” it will never be resolved.

One more thought, in case you still don’t get it…

What if violent criminals often wear purple shirts. Not all people who wear purple shirts are criminals, and not all criminals wear purple shirts; but two-thirds of the time, the violent criminals wear purple shirts.

Do you think people would be more aware of purple shirts? Do you think they would change their behavior around people with purple shirts, particularly when they have to make quick decisions about people that might affect them for life (like walking down a dark street, and someone in a purple shirt approaches)?

It’s not about race, it’s about awareness and probabilities. Having to make quick decisions about one’s surroundings based upon known information is a survival skill. I’m not saying it’s right or wrong, but to deny reality — and to expect others to deny it, too — is ignorant and foolish.

As to the OP’s situation, when interviewing potential roommates, you have to make a rather quick decision that will greatly affect your day-to-day life. You don’t have days, weeks, months, or years to get to know someone (unfortunately). That’s why, if we’re being honest, most people make their decisions based on the known facts — credit report, rental history, references, etc. (and many people don’t even provide valid references, BTW) AND physical cues — the way people dress, their hygiene, the way they maintain their car, if they smell like smoke or alcohol, etc. People have to aggregate a lot of information and base their decision on all the facts they can possibly find in a very short amount of time.

I don’t think “race/ethnicity” matters nearly as much as culture, and this is what I clearly stated earlier in this thread. I’d much sooner live with a black person who is honest, decent, considerate, responsible, etc. than a white person who isn’t all of those things; and I think most people feel the same way about this issue. The problem is that a large part of “black society” has allowed the rap/gangsta stereotype become the representation of “black culture.” That is a HUGE mistake on their part, IMHO.

Unfortunately, when people from within the black community try to fight this idiocy, they are shouted down:

http://articles.cnn.com/2004-11-11/entertainment/cosby_1_cosby-first-lower-economic-people-parenting?_s=PM:SHOWBIZ

[CA renter]

[quote=urbanrealtor]CAR:
While I find it kind of funny and ironic how you misuse terms and numbers to claim that you are “revealing fraud” or teaching us “reality” or “logic”, its really that I find it more humorous than enlightening.

Even when discussing your numbers of incarcerated offenders, the majority is non-black.

Hispanicism is not a race.

Its an ethnicity.

That is why Charlie Sheen is both white and hispanic (as am I).

You make this big argument that we need talk about this like adults and then you make these facile points about demographics.

Its not that I disagree its just that they are useless in everyday life.

You are right in that most white people who fear black people do not go through the whole chain of who owned who.
Most white people who fear blacks (I am guessing you are one)just think “black = bad”.
Then they try to dress it up with either some tortured chain of logic (like I put out) or some study about how 1 in 33 black men is in prison (like you did).
Either way its the same thing.
Its people using physical characteristics to impute social behavior.
The world does not actually work that way.
Evaluation for specific situations needs to focus on specific issues.
Its just as non-valid to deny a black tenant using your logic as it is to deny black patrons.
If you are screening tenants, you need to stick to what is important.
A rental applicant with a good rental history and solid credit is a better than one who is not.
Their national or racial religious background is not a good indicator.
What you are really arguing against here, CAR, is civil rights.
If one uses really broad studies of race or ethnic origin as a guide there is always some way to rationalize discrimination.
There were real problems with banking in pre-holocaust Germany.
There were real jobs shortages in some US cities prior to the Chinese Exclusion Act.
There are major gang issues now along the US-Mexican border.
Some argue that justifies ethnic-driven law enforcement.
This isn’t a new thing.

Here is one of my favorite cartoons on the subject.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:The_only_one_barred_out_cph.3b48680.jpg%5B/quote%5D

Show one example where I misused terms or numbers.

Also, I never said that “Hispanic” was a race — check out the links to see how the stats are laid out. Statistically, whites are often broken down into “Non-Hispanic Whites” and “Whites” (including Hispanic) groups.

You claim that I am clueless about what constitutes short sale fraud, but I’m the only one who provided facts, multiple links, and logic to support my assertions. You simply curse and/or call people names when they disagree with you, hoping to shut them down.

Here you go, again:

“Most white people who fear blacks (I am guessing you are one) just think “black = bad”.
Then they try to dress it up with either some tortured chain of logic (like I put out) or some study about how 1 in 33 black men is in prison (like you did).”

You are, yet again, trying to distract the attention from the fact that these claims from your original post…

[quote=urbanrealtor]
Most welfare recipients are white.
Most criminals are white.[/quote]

…are not true.

Then, you tried to repeat it again, but twisted YOUR words to make it sound more accurate:

[quote=urbanrealtor]

Even when discussing your numbers of incarcerated offenders, the majority is non-black.[/quote]

You are the only one “twisting words” and have **wrongly** implied that I’m “afraid of blacks” and think that “black = bad” when I never said nor implied anything of the sort.

I’m merely pointing out that what many people consider “racism” is simply people’s consideration of **statistical facts** when having to make quick decisions about people.

If we don’t address the causes of this type of “racism” it will never be resolved.

One more thought, in case you still don’t get it…

What if violent criminals often wear purple shirts. Not all people who wear purple shirts are criminals, and not all criminals wear purple shirts; but two-thirds of the time, the violent criminals wear purple shirts.

Do you think people would be more aware of purple shirts? Do you think they would change their behavior around people with purple shirts, particularly when they have to make quick decisions about people that might affect them for life (like walking down a dark street, and someone in a purple shirt approaches)?

It’s not about race, it’s about awareness and probabilities. Having to make quick decisions about one’s surroundings based upon known information is a survival skill. I’m not saying it’s right or wrong, but to deny reality — and to expect others to deny it, too — is ignorant and foolish.

As to the OP’s situation, when interviewing potential roommates, you have to make a rather quick decision that will greatly affect your day-to-day life. You don’t have days, weeks, months, or years to get to know someone (unfortunately). That’s why, if we’re being honest, most people make their decisions based on the known facts — credit report, rental history, references, etc. (and many people don’t even provide valid references, BTW) AND physical cues — the way people dress, their hygiene, the way they maintain their car, if they smell like smoke or alcohol, etc. People have to aggregate a lot of information and base their decision on all the facts they can possibly find in a very short amount of time.

I don’t think “race/ethnicity” matters nearly as much as culture, and this is what I clearly stated earlier in this thread. I’d much sooner live with a black person who is honest, decent, considerate, responsible, etc. than a white person who isn’t all of those things; and I think most people feel the same way about this issue. The problem is that a large part of “black society” has allowed the rap/gangsta stereotype become the representation of “black culture.” That is a HUGE mistake on their part, IMHO.

Unfortunately, when people from within the black community try to fight this idiocy, they are shouted down:

http://articles.cnn.com/2004-11-11/entertainment/cosby_1_cosby-first-lower-economic-people-parenting?_s=PM:SHOWBIZ

[CA renter]

[quote=urbanrealtor]CAR:
While I find it kind of funny and ironic how you misuse terms and numbers to claim that you are “revealing fraud” or teaching us “reality” or “logic”, its really that I find it more humorous than enlightening.

Even when discussing your numbers of incarcerated offenders, the majority is non-black.

Hispanicism is not a race.

Its an ethnicity.

That is why Charlie Sheen is both white and hispanic (as am I).

You make this big argument that we need talk about this like adults and then you make these facile points about demographics.

Its not that I disagree its just that they are useless in everyday life.

You are right in that most white people who fear black people do not go through the whole chain of who owned who.
Most white people who fear blacks (I am guessing you are one)just think “black = bad”.
Then they try to dress it up with either some tortured chain of logic (like I put out) or some study about how 1 in 33 black men is in prison (like you did).
Either way its the same thing.
Its people using physical characteristics to impute social behavior.
The world does not actually work that way.
Evaluation for specific situations needs to focus on specific issues.
Its just as non-valid to deny a black tenant using your logic as it is to deny black patrons.
If you are screening tenants, you need to stick to what is important.
A rental applicant with a good rental history and solid credit is a better than one who is not.
Their national or racial religious background is not a good indicator.
What you are really arguing against here, CAR, is civil rights.
If one uses really broad studies of race or ethnic origin as a guide there is always some way to rationalize discrimination.
There were real problems with banking in pre-holocaust Germany.
There were real jobs shortages in some US cities prior to the Chinese Exclusion Act.
There are major gang issues now along the US-Mexican border.
Some argue that justifies ethnic-driven law enforcement.
This isn’t a new thing.

Here is one of my favorite cartoons on the subject.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:The_only_one_barred_out_cph.3b48680.jpg%5B/quote%5D

Show one example where I misused terms or numbers.

Also, I never said that “Hispanic” was a race — check out the links to see how the stats are laid out. Statistically, whites are often broken down into “Non-Hispanic Whites” and “Whites” (including Hispanic) groups.

You claim that I am clueless about what constitutes short sale fraud, but I’m the only one who provided facts, multiple links, and logic to support my assertions. You simply curse and/or call people names when they disagree with you, hoping to shut them down.

Here you go, again:

“Most white people who fear blacks (I am guessing you are one) just think “black = bad”.
Then they try to dress it up with either some tortured chain of logic (like I put out) or some study about how 1 in 33 black men is in prison (like you did).”

You are, yet again, trying to distract the attention from the fact that these claims from your original post…

[quote=urbanrealtor]
Most welfare recipients are white.
Most criminals are white.[/quote]

…are not true.

Then, you tried to repeat it again, but twisted YOUR words to make it sound more accurate:

[quote=urbanrealtor]

Even when discussing your numbers of incarcerated offenders, the majority is non-black.[/quote]

You are the only one “twisting words” and have **wrongly** implied that I’m “afraid of blacks” and think that “black = bad” when I never said nor implied anything of the sort.

I’m merely pointing out that what many people consider “racism” is simply people’s consideration of **statistical facts** when having to make quick decisions about people.

If we don’t address the causes of this type of “racism” it will never be resolved.

One more thought, in case you still don’t get it…

What if violent criminals often wear purple shirts. Not all people who wear purple shirts are criminals, and not all criminals wear purple shirts; but two-thirds of the time, the violent criminals wear purple shirts.

Do you think people would be more aware of purple shirts? Do you think they would change their behavior around people with purple shirts, particularly when they have to make quick decisions about people that might affect them for life (like walking down a dark street, and someone in a purple shirt approaches)?

It’s not about race, it’s about awareness and probabilities. Having to make quick decisions about one’s surroundings based upon known information is a survival skill. I’m not saying it’s right or wrong, but to deny reality — and to expect others to deny it, too — is ignorant and foolish.

As to the OP’s situation, when interviewing potential roommates, you have to make a rather quick decision that will greatly affect your day-to-day life. You don’t have days, weeks, months, or years to get to know someone (unfortunately). That’s why, if we’re being honest, most people make their decisions based on the known facts — credit report, rental history, references, etc. (and many people don’t even provide valid references, BTW) AND physical cues — the way people dress, their hygiene, the way they maintain their car, if they smell like smoke or alcohol, etc. People have to aggregate a lot of information and base their decision on all the facts they can possibly find in a very short amount of time.

I don’t think “race/ethnicity” matters nearly as much as culture, and this is what I clearly stated earlier in this thread. I’d much sooner live with a black person who is honest, decent, considerate, responsible, etc. than a white person who isn’t all of those things; and I think most people feel the same way about this issue. The problem is that a large part of “black society” has allowed the rap/gangsta stereotype become the representation of “black culture.” That is a HUGE mistake on their part, IMHO.

Unfortunately, when people from within the black community try to fight this idiocy, they are shouted down:

http://articles.cnn.com/2004-11-11/entertainment/cosby_1_cosby-first-lower-economic-people-parenting?_s=PM:SHOWBIZ

[CA renter]

[quote=urbanrealtor]CAR:
While I find it kind of funny and ironic how you misuse terms and numbers to claim that you are “revealing fraud” or teaching us “reality” or “logic”, its really that I find it more humorous than enlightening.

Even when discussing your numbers of incarcerated offenders, the majority is non-black.

Hispanicism is not a race.

Its an ethnicity.

That is why Charlie Sheen is both white and hispanic (as am I).

You make this big argument that we need talk about this like adults and then you make these facile points about demographics.

Its not that I disagree its just that they are useless in everyday life.

You are right in that most white people who fear black people do not go through the whole chain of who owned who.
Most white people who fear blacks (I am guessing you are one)just think “black = bad”.
Then they try to dress it up with either some tortured chain of logic (like I put out) or some study about how 1 in 33 black men is in prison (like you did).
Either way its the same thing.
Its people using physical characteristics to impute social behavior.
The world does not actually work that way.
Evaluation for specific situations needs to focus on specific issues.
Its just as non-valid to deny a black tenant using your logic as it is to deny black patrons.
If you are screening tenants, you need to stick to what is important.
A rental applicant with a good rental history and solid credit is a better than one who is not.
Their national or racial religious background is not a good indicator.
What you are really arguing against here, CAR, is civil rights.
If one uses really broad studies of race or ethnic origin as a guide there is always some way to rationalize discrimination.
There were real problems with banking in pre-holocaust Germany.
There were real jobs shortages in some US cities prior to the Chinese Exclusion Act.
There are major gang issues now along the US-Mexican border.
Some argue that justifies ethnic-driven law enforcement.
This isn’t a new thing.

Here is one of my favorite cartoons on the subject.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:The_only_one_barred_out_cph.3b48680.jpg%5B/quote%5D

Show one example where I misused terms or numbers.

Also, I never said that “Hispanic” was a race — check out the links to see how the stats are laid out. Statistically, whites are often broken down into “Non-Hispanic Whites” and “Whites” (including Hispanic) groups.

You claim that I am clueless about what constitutes short sale fraud, but I’m the only one who provided facts, multiple links, and logic to support my assertions. You simply curse and/or call people names when they disagree with you, hoping to shut them down.

Here you go, again:

“Most white people who fear blacks (I am guessing you are one) just think “black = bad”.
Then they try to dress it up with either some tortured chain of logic (like I put out) or some study about how 1 in 33 black men is in prison (like you did).”

You are, yet again, trying to distract the attention from the fact that these claims from your original post…

[quote=urbanrealtor]
Most welfare recipients are white.
Most criminals are white.[/quote]

…are not true.

Then, you tried to repeat it again, but twisted YOUR words to make it sound more accurate:

[quote=urbanrealtor]

Even when discussing your numbers of incarcerated offenders, the majority is non-black.[/quote]

You are the only one “twisting words” and have **wrongly** implied that I’m “afraid of blacks” and think that “black = bad” when I never said nor implied anything of the sort.

I’m merely pointing out that what many people consider “racism” is simply people’s consideration of **statistical facts** when having to make quick decisions about people.

If we don’t address the causes of this type of “racism” it will never be resolved.

One more thought, in case you still don’t get it…

What if violent criminals often wear purple shirts. Not all people who wear purple shirts are criminals, and not all criminals wear purple shirts; but two-thirds of the time, the violent criminals wear purple shirts.

Do you think people would be more aware of purple shirts? Do you think they would change their behavior around people with purple shirts, particularly when they have to make quick decisions about people that might affect them for life (like walking down a dark street, and someone in a purple shirt approaches)?

It’s not about race, it’s about awareness and probabilities. Having to make quick decisions about one’s surroundings based upon known information is a survival skill. I’m not saying it’s right or wrong, but to deny reality — and to expect others to deny it, too — is ignorant and foolish.

As to the OP’s situation, when interviewing potential roommates, you have to make a rather quick decision that will greatly affect your day-to-day life. You don’t have days, weeks, months, or years to get to know someone (unfortunately). That’s why, if we’re being honest, most people make their decisions based on the known facts — credit report, rental history, references, etc. (and many people don’t even provide valid references, BTW) AND physical cues — the way people dress, their hygiene, the way they maintain their car, if they smell like smoke or alcohol, etc. People have to aggregate a lot of information and base their decision on all the facts they can possibly find in a very short amount of time.

I don’t think “race/ethnicity” matters nearly as much as culture, and this is what I clearly stated earlier in this thread. I’d much sooner live with a black person who is honest, decent, considerate, responsible, etc. than a white person who isn’t all of those things; and I think most people feel the same way about this issue. The problem is that a large part of “black society” has allowed the rap/gangsta stereotype become the representation of “black culture.” That is a HUGE mistake on their part, IMHO.

Unfortunately, when people from within the black community try to fight this idiocy, they are shouted down:

http://articles.cnn.com/2004-11-11/entertainment/cosby_1_cosby-first-lower-economic-people-parenting?_s=PM:SHOWBIZ

[CA renter]

[quote=urbanrealtor]CAR:
While I find it kind of funny and ironic how you misuse terms and numbers to claim that you are “revealing fraud” or teaching us “reality” or “logic”, its really that I find it more humorous than enlightening.

Even when discussing your numbers of incarcerated offenders, the majority is non-black.

Hispanicism is not a race.

Its an ethnicity.

That is why Charlie Sheen is both white and hispanic (as am I).

You make this big argument that we need talk about this like adults and then you make these facile points about demographics.

Its not that I disagree its just that they are useless in everyday life.

You are right in that most white people who fear black people do not go through the whole chain of who owned who.
Most white people who fear blacks (I am guessing you are one)just think “black = bad”.
Then they try to dress it up with either some tortured chain of logic (like I put out) or some study about how 1 in 33 black men is in prison (like you did).
Either way its the same thing.
Its people using physical characteristics to impute social behavior.
The world does not actually work that way.
Evaluation for specific situations needs to focus on specific issues.
Its just as non-valid to deny a black tenant using your logic as it is to deny black patrons.
If you are screening tenants, you need to stick to what is important.
A rental applicant with a good rental history and solid credit is a better than one who is not.
Their national or racial religious background is not a good indicator.
What you are really arguing against here, CAR, is civil rights.
If one uses really broad studies of race or ethnic origin as a guide there is always some way to rationalize discrimination.
There were real problems with banking in pre-holocaust Germany.
There were real jobs shortages in some US cities prior to the Chinese Exclusion Act.
There are major gang issues now along the US-Mexican border.
Some argue that justifies ethnic-driven law enforcement.
This isn’t a new thing.

Here is one of my favorite cartoons on the subject.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:The_only_one_barred_out_cph.3b48680.jpg%5B/quote%5D

Show one example where I misused terms or numbers.

Also, I never said that “Hispanic” was a race — check out the links to see how the stats are laid out. Statistically, whites are often broken down into “Non-Hispanic Whites” and “Whites” (including Hispanic) groups.

You claim that I am clueless about what constitutes short sale fraud, but I’m the only one who provided facts, multiple links, and logic to support my assertions. You simply curse and/or call people names when they disagree with you, hoping to shut them down.

Here you go, again:

“Most white people who fear blacks (I am guessing you are one) just think “black = bad”.
Then they try to dress it up with either some tortured chain of logic (like I put out) or some study about how 1 in 33 black men is in prison (like you did).”

You are, yet again, trying to distract the attention from the fact that these claims from your original post…

[quote=urbanrealtor]
Most welfare recipients are white.
Most criminals are white.[/quote]

…are not true.

Then, you tried to repeat it again, but twisted YOUR words to make it sound more accurate:

[quote=urbanrealtor]

Even when discussing your numbers of incarcerated offenders, the majority is non-black.[/quote]

You are the only one “twisting words” and have **wrongly** implied that I’m “afraid of blacks” and think that “black = bad” when I never said nor implied anything of the sort.

I’m merely pointing out that what many people consider “racism” is simply people’s consideration of **statistical facts** when having to make quick decisions about people.

If we don’t address the causes of this type of “racism” it will never be resolved.

One more thought, in case you still don’t get it…

What if violent criminals often wear purple shirts. Not all people who wear purple shirts are criminals, and not all criminals wear purple shirts; but two-thirds of the time, the violent criminals wear purple shirts.

Do you think people would be more aware of purple shirts? Do you think they would change their behavior around people with purple shirts, particularly when they have to make quick decisions about people that might affect them for life (like walking down a dark street, and someone in a purple shirt approaches)?

It’s not about race, it’s about awareness and probabilities. Having to make quick decisions about one’s surroundings based upon known information is a survival skill. I’m not saying it’s right or wrong, but to deny reality — and to expect others to deny it, too — is ignorant and foolish.

As to the OP’s situation, when interviewing potential roommates, you have to make a rather quick decision that will greatly affect your day-to-day life. You don’t have days, weeks, months, or years to get to know someone (unfortunately). That’s why, if we’re being honest, most people make their decisions based on the known facts — credit report, rental history, references, etc. (and many people don’t even provide valid references, BTW) AND physical cues — the way people dress, their hygiene, the way they maintain their car, if they smell like smoke or alcohol, etc. People have to aggregate a lot of information and base their decision on all the facts they can possibly find in a very short amount of time.

I don’t think “race/ethnicity” matters nearly as much as culture, and this is what I clearly stated earlier in this thread. I’d much sooner live with a black person who is honest, decent, considerate, responsible, etc. than a white person who isn’t all of those things; and I think most people feel the same way about this issue. The problem is that a large part of “black society” has allowed the rap/gangsta stereotype become the representation of “black culture.” That is a HUGE mistake on their part, IMHO.

Unfortunately, when people from within the black community try to fight this idiocy, they are shouted down:

http://articles.cnn.com/2004-11-11/entertainment/cosby_1_cosby-first-lower-economic-people-parenting?_s=PM:SHOWBIZ

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