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October 2, 2015 at 10:15 AM #789784October 2, 2015 at 10:25 AM #789785
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GuestBG, did you read the Politico article about immigration needed for Detroit?
If we closed the borders, we would begin to atrophy like Japan. Our wealth would slowly decrease, in real terms and relative to faster growing countries.
We need more legal immigration to keep young and vibrant. If fact, I think we should take in 2 million out of the 4 million Syrian refugees. We can easily do that. But I know that it’s not doable politically.
October 2, 2015 at 10:59 AM #789786spdrun
Participantbearishgurl —
(1) Mexicans are a nationality not a uniform racial group. Saying “Mexicans are white” would be like saying “Americans are white.” They’re generally some mixture of white and Amerindian. There are also Middle Eastern and Asian communities (Carlos Slim = Carlos SAlim = Lebanese roots), among other groups.Other Hispanics (Dominicans, Cubans, Panamanians especially) more often have African blood thrown into the mix. Don’t equate “Hispanic” with “Mexican” either, since “Hispanic” is a linguistic and regional term, not a nationality. “Latino” adds the Portuguese speaking country in South America to the mix 🙂 And maybe a few French speaking countries depending on whom you ask.
(2) Non-residents shouldn’t go to public schools in San Diego for free. Doesn’t matter if they come from Tijuana or Temecula. Schools should enforce residency requirements better on all people.
This being said, with the goatfawk that border control has become, I find it hard to believe that they cross the border every day. That would take HOURS. Could they be living somewhere locally and driving around on Mexican plates? (Which then becomes a DMV issue if they don’t register in the US.)
October 2, 2015 at 11:36 AM #789788Anonymous
Guest[quote=bearishgurl]
You must agree that it’s not that easy to tell many “Mexicans” or “Mexican Americans” apart from “other Whites” these days.[/quote]I don’t know if it’s easy to do, because I don’t really try.
October 2, 2015 at 11:37 AM #789789bearishgurl
Participant[quote=spdrun]bearishgurl —
(1) Mexicans are a nationality not a uniform racial group. Saying “Mexicans are white” would be like saying “Americans are white.” They’re generally some mixture of white and Amerindian. There are also Middle Eastern and Asian communities (Carlos Slim = Carlos SAlim = Lebanese roots), among other groups.Other Hispanics (Dominicans, Cubans, Panamanians especially) more often have African blood thrown into the mix. Don’t equate “Hispanic” with “Mexican” either, since “Hispanic” is a linguistic and regional term, not a nationality. “Latino” adds the Portuguese speaking country in South America to the mix 🙂
(2) Non-residents shouldn’t go to public schools in San Diego for free. Doesn’t matter if they come from Mexico or Fallbrook. Schools should enforce residency requirements better on all people.
This being said, with the goatfawk that border control has become, I find it hard to believe that they cross the border every day. That would take HOURS. Could they be living somewhere locally and driving around on Mexican plates? (Which then becomes a DMV issue if they don’t register in the US.)[/quote]
Yes, I realize the term “Hispanic” could mean many different mixtures of “nationalities” depending on where their ancestors originated from and what region of Latin America they are from. But they are technically considered Caucasians.
These “Mexican” students (of all “colors,” btw) essentially “stealing” free seats in SD and Imperial County public schools are being driven across the border every weekday morning by their parents or other relatives, most of whom possess work visas and SENTRI passes. A parent who is a Mexican National can secure another SENTRI pass or border-crossing card for each of their children. Also, any of their children who were born in the US can carry their birth certificate in the vehicle in case it is needed at the border crossing.
http://www.cbp.gov/travel/trusted-traveler-programs/sentri/eligibility/children
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_Crossing_Card
Also, anyone feel free correct me if I’m wrong here but a US border officer will sometimes not ask to see any documentation for obvious minors in the vehicle if the driver possessing the SENTRI pass states to the officer that the children riding with them are theirs.
Practically speaking, I’m sure these parents aren’t necessarily overt about the purposes of bringing the children across the border every morning (backpacks in the trunk, etc). Many Mexican parents (or grandparents) also pay tuition so their children/grandchildren can attend private school in the US while the parents work, which is perfectly legal. But as long as Great Auntie Esperanza (twice removed, lol), a longtime homeowner in Chula Vista, etc, is willing to have notarized and file a “guardian affidavit” (school district form) for each child with the appropriate school district(s), and accept all the district mailings for those child(ren), these kids are admitted to a public school in the attendance area of said friend/relative. For example, CA school districts will NOT mail any grade reports/transcripts to Mexican addresses.
Even if most or all of a Mexican National’s children were actually born in the US, many elect to continue to reside in the Tijuana area to be near other close family members and also save 70-80% on housing costs (as opposed to SD County). As do a lower percentage of American-born people of all races who are NOT Hispanic.
Yes, it somewhat muddies the waters that many of these kids successfully “stealing” seats in SD and Imperial County public schools are actually US citizens. But the state law refers only to residency as the basis for admission to its public K-12 schools, NOT nationality.
October 2, 2015 at 11:44 AM #789790Guest[quote=CA renter] Thousands of “Mexican” kids (yes, crossing the US border every single weekday) attend US public schools and community college in SD and Imperial counties. [/quote]
Oh my, we’ve got children getting an education and bettering their lives!
We need to hire more government workers to stop all of this government spending!
October 2, 2015 at 11:53 AM #789792Participant[quote=FlyerInHi]BG, did you read the Politico article about immigration needed for Detroit?
If we closed the borders, we would begin to atrophy like Japan. Our wealth would slowly decrease, in real terms and relative to faster growing countries.
We need more legal immigration to keep young and vibrant. If fact, I think we should take in 2 million out of the 4 million Syrian refugees. We can easily do that. But I know that it’s not doable politically.[/quote]
brian, the reason Detroit still has so many vacant homes is 1) most of its well-paying jobs disappeared long ago, along with the bulk of its former workforce; and 2) its weather is among the worst in the nation all year (even their summers are humid and and full of mosquitos).
That (and crumbling infrastructure in many of its neighborhoods) is the reason why one can still buy a dilapidated single family home (which hasn’t been occupied in at least a decade) for <$50K in Detroit. It is what it is. From what I've read, it seems that some Gen Y have gone in there to start small businesses and try to turn it around, section by section. If an infusion of 2 million Syrians seeking refuge from their war-torn existence can do same and buy/lease (from FNMA/HUD?) the bulk of Detroit's vacant eyesores, fix them up a little and start small businesses themselves, then maybe the city can eventually right itself on the map again. Detroit is not representative of the rest of the country. It is an island unto itself.
October 2, 2015 at 11:54 AM #789791Participantbearishgurl – Incorrect. Hispanic/Latino are additional descriptors. Plenty of people identify as both African and Hispanic/Latino, for example. You also have quite a few Cuban Chinese in Miami and NY — they even have their own cuisine.
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As far as the school issue … crack down on shills signing guardian affidavits. If they know they’ll be billed for two times the cost of school plus legal costs, they might think twice.
October 2, 2015 at 12:07 PM #789794Participant[quote=bearishgurl]If an infusion of 2 million Syrians seeking refuge from their war-torn existence can do same and buy/lease (from FNMA/HUD?) the bulk of Detroit’s vacant eyesores, fix them up a little and start small businesses themselves, then maybe the city can eventually right itself on the map again. [/quote]
I’d actually disagree with ghettoizing a large % of the refugees in Detroit — it would actually prevent assimilation. I’d advocate encouraging 100,000 or so to settle there, with the remainder distributed to other US cities and towns.
October 2, 2015 at 12:09 PM #789793Participant[quote=harvey][quote=CA renter] Thousands of “Mexican” kids (yes, crossing the US border every single weekday) attend US public schools and community college in SD and Imperial counties. [/quote]
Oh my, we’ve got children getting an education and bettering their lives!
We need to hire more government workers to stop all of this government spending![/quote]
Uhh, no pri_dk, the districts don’t hire any more workers. They simply stop accepting students for an (overcrowded) school. If a resident with school-age children legitimately moves into the area of a public school their kids would have attended which has reached capacity, their kids are placed in another district school which has room for them which may or may not be close by. If the new resident is a taxpayer paying Mello Roos for schools in the particular attendance area of their new home, their kids may or may not be able to attend those schools which they are paying for.
That’s the reality on the ground. I’m not sure which planet you dropped in from.
Oh, and um, that was MY quote, not CA renter’s.
October 2, 2015 at 12:13 PM #789795Guest[quote=harvey][quote=CA renter] Thousands of “Mexican” kids (yes, crossing the US border every single weekday) attend US public schools and community college in SD and Imperial counties. [/quote]
Oh my, we’ve got children getting an education and bettering their lives!
We need to hire more government workers to stop all of this government spending![/quote]
Haha. That’s really funny!
As spd said, i don’t think kids are crossing the border. The parents are more likely here driving with Mexican plates. I live in NV as well as CA. I still have CA plates because NV insurance is more expensive. Plus CA plates are higher status, haha.
It’s actually good that kids come study here as foreign students. It’s a great way to influence the world to our way life. Ever hear of Fulbright scholarships? We should do more.
October 2, 2015 at 12:28 PM #789796Guest[quote=FlyerInHi][quote=deadzone]
At some point you have to close the barn door. Rewarding amnesty for everybody that is here illegally is just an open invitation for the world. At that point, may as well just have open door policy then and stop wasting money on border fences and border patrol.And solution isn’t mass deportations, just workplace enforcement, e-verify for a start[/quote]
Realistically, don’t you think that people already here have to be legalized eventually? So why not do it now? incorporate and assimilate them into our society. That would a heartwarming humanitarian act that would relieve the suffering of millions. It would also boost the economy and wages.
Workplace enforcement is a separate issue. We have to resolve one thing at a time. Everything or nothing attitudes usually mean you get nothing.
Why do you insist on the ideological impass?[/quote]
No of course they don’t have to be legalized eventually. They are here as temporary workers which means eventually they should return to their own countries. Without the past amnesty in 1980s, and current amnesty talk by extremist liberals such as yourself, illegal immigrants would never even be entertaining the idea to stay here permanently.
October 2, 2015 at 12:31 PM #789797ParticipantIf they’ve been here for 10-20 years, established lives, kept their noses clean, they should be allowed to stay.
October 2, 2015 at 12:36 PM #789798Guest[quote=FlyerInHi][quote=harvey][quote=CA renter] Thousands of “Mexican” kids (yes, crossing the US border every single weekday) attend US public schools and community college in SD and Imperial counties. [/quote]
Oh my, we’ve got children getting an education and bettering their lives!
We need to hire more government workers to stop all of this government spending![/quote]
Haha. That’s really funny!
As spd said, i don’t think kids are crossing the border. The parents are more likely here driving with Mexican plates. I live in NV as well as CA. I still have CA plates because NV insurance is more expensive. Plus CA plates are higher status, haha.
It’s actually good that kids come study here as foreign students. It’s a great way to influence the world to our way life. Ever hear of Fulbright scholarships? We should do more.[/quote]
You have no clue about this issue, it is very common that Mexican’s cross the border every day to drive their kids to San Diego school. Whether this is a good thing or bad thing is another debate, but it in fact happens a lot. I personally know people who do this.
October 2, 2015 at 12:58 PM #789799GuestI doubt it’s true.
I know a guy who crosses frequently. The border patrol grill him which causes him to be frequently late. They ask him. What are you coming for? Shopping? Where’s your money? Where’s your credit card?
Sometimes he’s sent to secondary inspection.The kids would be late to school all the time and they would fail. Plus they would have to lie to the border patrol as to the reason for crossing.
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