Aging population and housing

[njtosd]

[quote=FlyerInHi]And so far, all the changes since the Reagan amnesty have been positive.
Glad we replaced Bob Dornan with Loretta Sanchez.
Glad that Duncan Hunter moved from Coronado to Alpine. Maybe his son, Jr. will eventually find a more hospitable environment in Kansas.[/quote]
Brian – you are twisting these posts around to politics again. Don’t you remember why you had to become FlyerInHi?

[spdrun]

This string became political long ago — is discussing politics here a capital offense? I think that if it were, half of the people on here would have faced a firing squad years ago.

[FlyerInHi]

CAr, you point to the social safety net as a draw for undocumented immigrants. But what you say is untrue.

Unauthorized immigrants don’t get direct government cash payments and benefits. They don’t get unemployment benefits. They do get indirect benefits such as their children going to school. And if they get sick they may go the emergency room, then they don’t pay their medical bills because they can’t afford them.

It we are going to get riled up about indirect benefits, let me be the first one. I pay a lot of property taxes but I have no kids. Why not privatize everything and have fee for service?

[njtosd]

[quote=spdrun]This string became political long ago — is discussing politics here a capital offense? I think that if it were, half of the people on here would have faced a firing squad years ago.[/quote]

This thread was titled aging population and housing. When I look at the posts, I would expect the posts to relate to the topic.

In terms of politics-I believe liberal/conservative orientation is largely inborn. All the discussion in the world isn’t going to change many peoples minds. In fact Democrats and Republicans prefer the body odor of others who share their political viewpoints. http://theweek.com/speedreads/446211/study-conservatives-liberals-smell-different
People are fooling themselves if they believe their witty or obnoxious comments are going to cause someone else to see the light.

You are free to write anything you want, but if I were you I’d ask Brian why he’s not call Brian anymore

[FlyerInHi]

CAr, what I said is pretty factual.

Nativist. You’d probably admit to that.

Paranoid. You latch on to some words that some public figure spoke as evidence that there is a conspiracy to take over US territory.

If you believe that our system is so good, then why would anyone want to separate and join Mexico?

Xenophobia. Your insistence that people adopt your language and your culture show exactly that. In reality, culture is fluid and ever changing. Immigrants bring their culture here; and over time, they change and we change.

spd has a good understanding of nationalism. For example Italy used to be many independent states. So was Germany. Previously, the English could accept a foreign king or queen. People could accept their leaders speaking foreign languages and eating foreign cuisine.

[spdrun]

I truly couldn’t care less about the past history of members here.

I like the article — so being a Libertarian is the political equivalent of bisexuality?

BTW – not sure how I smell. I’ve swung from conservative to liberal to semi-libertarian with the recognition that government is needed to prevent corporations from becoming defacto governments.

[Jazzman]

[quote=deadzone]Perhaps only extremists are lobbying for literally open borders. However, all of this talk (mostly from liberals) about immigration “reform” is certainly implying an open border policy. As immigration “reform” really means amnesty.

Well if we as a society are going to say its okay for millions of people to enter the country illegally, break our immigration laws, work illegally (in many cases using fraudulent ID/SSN)and then get rewarded with green card and eventual citizenship, we are basically saying that our existing borders and immigration laws mean nothing.[/quote]

I don’t think it’s that simple. They are here so what do you do with them? You’d need a pretty big ship. Then there’e the vote, cheap labor that so many benefit from, public outcry from forced repatriation, and potential humanitarian crisis across the border. The horse has bolted but I guess you can still close the barn door.

[Jazzman]

[quote=njtosd][quote=spdrun]This string became political long ago — is discussing politics here a capital offense? I think that if it were, half of the people on here would have faced a firing squad years ago.[/quote]

This thread was titled aging population and housing. When I look at the posts, I would expect the posts to relate to the topic.

In terms of politics-I believe liberal/conservative orientation is largely inborn. All the discussion in the world isn’t going to change many peoples minds. In fact Democrats and Republicans prefer the body odor of others who share their political viewpoints. http://theweek.com/speedreads/446211/study-conservatives-liberals-smell-different
People are fooling themselves if they believe their witty or obnoxious comments are going to cause someone else to see the light.

You are free to write anything you want, but if I were you I’d ask Brian why he’s not call Brian anymore[/quote]

Actually, people do change political beliefs and I definitely think they are influenced more by environment than genes. If you want to influence someone’s thinking then don;t shout at them and tell them they are wrong. We have lost the ability to be impartial. It’s either my way of the highway, black or white, republican or democrat. In reality, most issues are shades of grey, but we’ve become egotistical, opinionated bigots and the media loves it.

[Jazzman]

[quote=spdrun]Question is, if we had truly open borders worldwide, would that be such a bad thing? Everyone would have the choice of what sort of government they’d want to live under. It would make tyranny and bad government a lot harder to enforce.

Open borders and globalism should be long-term ideals, since no one should be stuck because they had the misfortune to be born in one region of the world or another.[/quote]
Easy to wish for…

[Jazzman]

[quote=spdrun][quote=CA renter]I’ve had Mexican-American friends tell me that the Mexicans were going to “take back” their territory in a bloodless war, simply by out-populating the white Americans. [/quote]

Think about what you’re saying.

Real question is, so what if they do and the US west ends up majority Mexican/Latino? How does that affect you? I don’t think that anyone is seriously proposing that Upper California should rejoin Mexico — most immigrants come here to escape bad political conditions down there.

Also, intermarriage tends to be more common among children of Latino immigrants, so we might end up with a “Californian” identity rather than a “Mexican” one in 100 years.

In short, who cares, unless you have some outdated notions of ethnic purity?

And this is an AWESOME trend. One out of five Californians now marries outside their race…
http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/interracial-marriages-u-s-hit-all-time-high-4-8-million-article-1.1023643%5B/quote%5D
I have never understood this argument. California was part of Mexico which was a Spanish colony, and was only part of an independent Mexico for about forty years. Interestingly, DNA shows indigenous peoples on the north American continent came from the same place as Europeans. The Asian migration and subsequent influence came later. We all much more related that we realize.

[FlyerInHi]

The DNA explanation for liberal or conservative holds true only if you define as liking change or resistant to change. The ideological spectrum is not fixed but based on the context of the times.

For example, my bet is that in 50 years, conservatives will think that gay marriage is perfectly normal. In 30 years most conservatives who are against today will have come around if they’re still living. Change is just a matter of fast or slow. But change is coming.

Why did we even fight on gay marriage? The flight caused a lot of harm and suffering for nothing. We should have just made marriage for all 30 years ago and become human rights pioneers.

Back to immigration, it the unauthorized immigrants already here are going to be legalized eventually, then why not do it now and skip the human suffering? Why tie people’s fates to ideology?

[Jazzman]

[quote=deadzone]Can you name a single developed country with open borders in terms of immigration policy?[/quote]
Europe has open borders. EU members can now travel between many sovereign nations without a passport and have the right to live, work and receive welfare in those countries. There are restrictions imposed at the local level. You find many young eastern Europeans working in western Europe. They are enthusiastic and willing to take jobs often the reserve of previous immigrant waves, who themselves should move up a rung.

The migration flow is two way. Those seeking a lower cost retirement migrate eastwards. In theory, Europe should eventually be the melting pot that is America. In historical terms, it is already a melting pot. There is a downside. Locals will become embittered by what they see as an invasion, displacing locals in the job market and exploiting welfare. Criminals can also move more freely.

I see no reason why borders could not open in the US with its neighbors, if there is a common interest and mutual benefit. Economic disparity may rule that out for the time being, but both Mexico and Canada are doing well. I’d think Mexico could be a fantastic place to retire.

[Jazzman]

[quote=FlyerInHi]

Back to immigration, it the unauthorized immigrants already here are going to be legalized eventually, then why not do it now and skip the human suffering? Why tie people’s fates to ideology?[/quote]
Well, I think we are all, in one respect or anther, tied to ideology. Legalizing illegal immigrants is going to rile so many who believe it is wrong. The debate is a hard one to defend on either side and will probably boil down to what is practical rather than what is right. If the solution is to evolve that may take time.

[Anonymous]

[quote=CA renter][…]I’ve had Mexican-American friends tell me that the Mexicans were going to “take back” their territory in a bloodless war, simply by out-populating the white Americans.[…][/quote]

Well with friends like that…

God help us if the brown people outnumber the whites!

Looks like you have nearly a dozen posts here in the past day or so – I haven’t read them all but a quick skim shows you are really agonizing over this issue.

Goddamn, you really are a hardcore racist.

[FlyerInHi]

Apparently there are calls to allow 50,000 Syrians refugees to Detroit. That surely would help housing in the area.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/09/detroit-saved-by-syrian-immigrants-rick-snyder-immigration-gop-213206?o=0

We have a fairly large middle eastern community in the El Cajon area. Maybe some will end up moving here for the Mediterranean climate.

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