4S Ranch–Builders not negotiating

[jpinpb]

“homes were still going for $650K+ – unbelievable!! Who would spend that much in Oceanside”

That is mind-blowing! Especially nowadays.

[Raybyrnes]

I always find it amazing that people call salespeople rude when they do not find that they are going to give things away.

As you state you are not buying at the moment therefore you are not a sales prospect. They should not waste too much time on you.

Secondly you said you went in thinking you were going to get a screaming deal. Maybe the builder has a different strategy to wait things out. May or may not prove to be more profitable then giving away home or taking a loss.

The bottom line is that regardless of how you look or are dressed if you want to see what a salesperson can do put down a pre approved letter form the bank and that will warrant their time.

Otherwise if you are a looky lou than just be content to look. Nothing wrong with that.

[Raybyrnes]

I always find it amazing that people call salespeople rude when they do not find that they are going to give things away.

As you state you are not buying at the moment therefore you are not a sales prospect. They should not waste too much time on you.

Secondly you said you went in thinking you were going to get a screaming deal. Maybe the builder has a different strategy to wait things out. May or may not prove to be more profitable then giving away home or taking a loss.

The bottom line is that regardless of how you look or are dressed if you want to see what a salesperson can do put down a pre approved letter form the bank and that will warrant their time.

Otherwise if you are a looky lou than just be content to look. Nothing wrong with that.

[Raybyrnes]

I always find it amazing that people call salespeople rude when they do not find that they are going to give things away.

As you state you are not buying at the moment therefore you are not a sales prospect. They should not waste too much time on you.

Secondly you said you went in thinking you were going to get a screaming deal. Maybe the builder has a different strategy to wait things out. May or may not prove to be more profitable then giving away home or taking a loss.

The bottom line is that regardless of how you look or are dressed if you want to see what a salesperson can do put down a pre approved letter form the bank and that will warrant their time.

Otherwise if you are a looky lou than just be content to look. Nothing wrong with that.

[Raybyrnes]

I always find it amazing that people call salespeople rude when they do not find that they are going to give things away.

As you state you are not buying at the moment therefore you are not a sales prospect. They should not waste too much time on you.

Secondly you said you went in thinking you were going to get a screaming deal. Maybe the builder has a different strategy to wait things out. May or may not prove to be more profitable then giving away home or taking a loss.

The bottom line is that regardless of how you look or are dressed if you want to see what a salesperson can do put down a pre approved letter form the bank and that will warrant their time.

Otherwise if you are a looky lou than just be content to look. Nothing wrong with that.

[Raybyrnes]

I always find it amazing that people call salespeople rude when they do not find that they are going to give things away.

As you state you are not buying at the moment therefore you are not a sales prospect. They should not waste too much time on you.

Secondly you said you went in thinking you were going to get a screaming deal. Maybe the builder has a different strategy to wait things out. May or may not prove to be more profitable then giving away home or taking a loss.

The bottom line is that regardless of how you look or are dressed if you want to see what a salesperson can do put down a pre approved letter form the bank and that will warrant their time.

Otherwise if you are a looky lou than just be content to look. Nothing wrong with that.

[4Sbuyer2002]

Aside from coastal areas of SD. 4S Ranch is probably one of the safest places in San Diego county when it comes to fire danger. Not a single home in 4S burned in the last fire. Moreover, every home has an extensive sprinkler system which has already successfully doused housefires started by dense homeowners. If you are worried about avoiding “fire danger” then 4S Ranch should be at the top of your list.

See this extensive thread on the topic.

http://piggington.com/4_closure_ranch_errr_scratch_that_fire_proof_ranch_new_nickname_

_____________________________

Great PDF Brochure by Rancho Santa Fe Fire Dept. on “Shelter in Place” concept of fire resistant construction found in newer communities within the Rancho Santa Fe Fire Dist. which include

The Bridges
4S Ranch
Cielo
The Crosby Estates
Santa Fe Valley

http://www.rsf-fire.org/assets/documents/education/preparedness/SIP_for_web.pdf
_______________

New York Times message to world . . . if your going to move to San Diego . . . 4S Ranch is one of 5 communities with “safe homes” from fire which did not burn. Good press for 4S.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/28/weekinreview/28odonnell.html

________________________________

Exclusive homes emerge unscathed as fire-protection concept is tested

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20071025/news_1n25stay.html#

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Sprinkler System in 4S Ranch “saves dumb homeowners from themselves.:

http://www.rsf-fire.org/assets/documents/news/news_releases/2005/100605%20Cayenne%20Creek%20Fire.pdf

“The Fire District encourages the use of sprinklers and other preparedness measures as a means of promoting fire-safe communities.” (Their words not mine)

Another fine example of the fire resistant technology built into 4S Ranch homes and how it gives added protection from fire compared to other homes and other communities in San Diego (even if you have a hair brained home owner throwing burning cigarrete butts onto flammable material in his garage). 4S homes are all separately plumbed with their own fire sprinkler system which is pressurized and distinct from the normal plumbing (I’m sure this cost me a small fortune). The water supply to the sprinkler systems is prioritized at the same level as the fire hydrants on the street. There are dozens of fire sprinklers on the cieling throughout my house including 4 sprinklers in the attic suspended just below the roof and a sprinkler outside of the front door (presumably to give a sprinkler protected escape route through the front door).

“The sprinkler definitely saved this home, and possibly the lives of those in the home,” said Captain Fred Cox, who responded to the call. “If there had not been a working sprinkler system in place, the fire would have spread very rapidly before anyone inside noticed. By that time, it would have been difficult to save the home and those inside could have been severely injured.”

. . .

“This is the fourth time in the last two years that sprinklers have extinguished a structure fire within the RSFFPD. In each scenario, the heat from the fire activated the nearest sprinkler head, immediately dousing the flames with water, minimizing property loss and injuries.”

Read . . . normal home burns to ground with potential loss of life. Same situation 4S Ranch home = $500 damage to the junk in your garage and a singed hand. Thats the difference between 4S Ranch and other homes not built with the same technology.

grateful owner . . . .

[4Sbuyer2002]

Aside from coastal areas of SD. 4S Ranch is probably one of the safest places in San Diego county when it comes to fire danger. Not a single home in 4S burned in the last fire. Moreover, every home has an extensive sprinkler system which has already successfully doused housefires started by dense homeowners. If you are worried about avoiding “fire danger” then 4S Ranch should be at the top of your list.

See this extensive thread on the topic.

http://piggington.com/4_closure_ranch_errr_scratch_that_fire_proof_ranch_new_nickname_

_____________________________

Great PDF Brochure by Rancho Santa Fe Fire Dept. on “Shelter in Place” concept of fire resistant construction found in newer communities within the Rancho Santa Fe Fire Dist. which include

The Bridges
4S Ranch
Cielo
The Crosby Estates
Santa Fe Valley

http://www.rsf-fire.org/assets/documents/education/preparedness/SIP_for_web.pdf
_______________

New York Times message to world . . . if your going to move to San Diego . . . 4S Ranch is one of 5 communities with “safe homes” from fire which did not burn. Good press for 4S.

________________________________

Exclusive homes emerge unscathed as fire-protection concept is tested

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20071025/news_1n25stay.html#

_________________________________

Sprinkler System in 4S Ranch “saves dumb homeowners from themselves.:

http://www.rsf-fire.org/assets/documents/news/news_releases/2005/100605%20Cayenne%20Creek%20Fire.pdf

“The Fire District encourages the use of sprinklers and other preparedness measures as a means of promoting fire-safe communities.” (Their words not mine)

Another fine example of the fire resistant technology built into 4S Ranch homes and how it gives added protection from fire compared to other homes and other communities in San Diego (even if you have a hair brained home owner throwing burning cigarrete butts onto flammable material in his garage). 4S homes are all separately plumbed with their own fire sprinkler system which is pressurized and distinct from the normal plumbing (I’m sure this cost me a small fortune). The water supply to the sprinkler systems is prioritized at the same level as the fire hydrants on the street. There are dozens of fire sprinklers on the cieling throughout my house including 4 sprinklers in the attic suspended just below the roof and a sprinkler outside of the front door (presumably to give a sprinkler protected escape route through the front door).

“The sprinkler definitely saved this home, and possibly the lives of those in the home,” said Captain Fred Cox, who responded to the call. “If there had not been a working sprinkler system in place, the fire would have spread very rapidly before anyone inside noticed. By that time, it would have been difficult to save the home and those inside could have been severely injured.”

. . .

“This is the fourth time in the last two years that sprinklers have extinguished a structure fire within the RSFFPD. In each scenario, the heat from the fire activated the nearest sprinkler head, immediately dousing the flames with water, minimizing property loss and injuries.”

Read . . . normal home burns to ground with potential loss of life. Same situation 4S Ranch home = $500 damage to the junk in your garage and a singed hand. Thats the difference between 4S Ranch and other homes not built with the same technology.

grateful owner . . . .

[4Sbuyer2002]

Aside from coastal areas of SD. 4S Ranch is probably one of the safest places in San Diego county when it comes to fire danger. Not a single home in 4S burned in the last fire. Moreover, every home has an extensive sprinkler system which has already successfully doused housefires started by dense homeowners. If you are worried about avoiding “fire danger” then 4S Ranch should be at the top of your list.

See this extensive thread on the topic.

http://piggington.com/4_closure_ranch_errr_scratch_that_fire_proof_ranch_new_nickname_

_____________________________

Great PDF Brochure by Rancho Santa Fe Fire Dept. on “Shelter in Place” concept of fire resistant construction found in newer communities within the Rancho Santa Fe Fire Dist. which include

The Bridges
4S Ranch
Cielo
The Crosby Estates
Santa Fe Valley

http://www.rsf-fire.org/assets/documents/education/preparedness/SIP_for_web.pdf
_______________

New York Times message to world . . . if your going to move to San Diego . . . 4S Ranch is one of 5 communities with “safe homes” from fire which did not burn. Good press for 4S.

________________________________

Exclusive homes emerge unscathed as fire-protection concept is tested

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20071025/news_1n25stay.html#

_________________________________

Sprinkler System in 4S Ranch “saves dumb homeowners from themselves.:

http://www.rsf-fire.org/assets/documents/news/news_releases/2005/100605%20Cayenne%20Creek%20Fire.pdf

“The Fire District encourages the use of sprinklers and other preparedness measures as a means of promoting fire-safe communities.” (Their words not mine)

Another fine example of the fire resistant technology built into 4S Ranch homes and how it gives added protection from fire compared to other homes and other communities in San Diego (even if you have a hair brained home owner throwing burning cigarrete butts onto flammable material in his garage). 4S homes are all separately plumbed with their own fire sprinkler system which is pressurized and distinct from the normal plumbing (I’m sure this cost me a small fortune). The water supply to the sprinkler systems is prioritized at the same level as the fire hydrants on the street. There are dozens of fire sprinklers on the cieling throughout my house including 4 sprinklers in the attic suspended just below the roof and a sprinkler outside of the front door (presumably to give a sprinkler protected escape route through the front door).

“The sprinkler definitely saved this home, and possibly the lives of those in the home,” said Captain Fred Cox, who responded to the call. “If there had not been a working sprinkler system in place, the fire would have spread very rapidly before anyone inside noticed. By that time, it would have been difficult to save the home and those inside could have been severely injured.”

. . .

“This is the fourth time in the last two years that sprinklers have extinguished a structure fire within the RSFFPD. In each scenario, the heat from the fire activated the nearest sprinkler head, immediately dousing the flames with water, minimizing property loss and injuries.”

Read . . . normal home burns to ground with potential loss of life. Same situation 4S Ranch home = $500 damage to the junk in your garage and a singed hand. Thats the difference between 4S Ranch and other homes not built with the same technology.

grateful owner . . . .

[4Sbuyer2002]

Aside from coastal areas of SD. 4S Ranch is probably one of the safest places in San Diego county when it comes to fire danger. Not a single home in 4S burned in the last fire. Moreover, every home has an extensive sprinkler system which has already successfully doused housefires started by dense homeowners. If you are worried about avoiding “fire danger” then 4S Ranch should be at the top of your list.

See this extensive thread on the topic.

http://piggington.com/4_closure_ranch_errr_scratch_that_fire_proof_ranch_new_nickname_

_____________________________

Great PDF Brochure by Rancho Santa Fe Fire Dept. on “Shelter in Place” concept of fire resistant construction found in newer communities within the Rancho Santa Fe Fire Dist. which include

The Bridges
4S Ranch
Cielo
The Crosby Estates
Santa Fe Valley

http://www.rsf-fire.org/assets/documents/education/preparedness/SIP_for_web.pdf
_______________

New York Times message to world . . . if your going to move to San Diego . . . 4S Ranch is one of 5 communities with “safe homes” from fire which did not burn. Good press for 4S.

________________________________

Exclusive homes emerge unscathed as fire-protection concept is tested

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20071025/news_1n25stay.html#

_________________________________

Sprinkler System in 4S Ranch “saves dumb homeowners from themselves.:

http://www.rsf-fire.org/assets/documents/news/news_releases/2005/100605%20Cayenne%20Creek%20Fire.pdf

“The Fire District encourages the use of sprinklers and other preparedness measures as a means of promoting fire-safe communities.” (Their words not mine)

Another fine example of the fire resistant technology built into 4S Ranch homes and how it gives added protection from fire compared to other homes and other communities in San Diego (even if you have a hair brained home owner throwing burning cigarrete butts onto flammable material in his garage). 4S homes are all separately plumbed with their own fire sprinkler system which is pressurized and distinct from the normal plumbing (I’m sure this cost me a small fortune). The water supply to the sprinkler systems is prioritized at the same level as the fire hydrants on the street. There are dozens of fire sprinklers on the cieling throughout my house including 4 sprinklers in the attic suspended just below the roof and a sprinkler outside of the front door (presumably to give a sprinkler protected escape route through the front door).

“The sprinkler definitely saved this home, and possibly the lives of those in the home,” said Captain Fred Cox, who responded to the call. “If there had not been a working sprinkler system in place, the fire would have spread very rapidly before anyone inside noticed. By that time, it would have been difficult to save the home and those inside could have been severely injured.”

. . .

“This is the fourth time in the last two years that sprinklers have extinguished a structure fire within the RSFFPD. In each scenario, the heat from the fire activated the nearest sprinkler head, immediately dousing the flames with water, minimizing property loss and injuries.”

Read . . . normal home burns to ground with potential loss of life. Same situation 4S Ranch home = $500 damage to the junk in your garage and a singed hand. Thats the difference between 4S Ranch and other homes not built with the same technology.

grateful owner . . . .

[4Sbuyer2002]

Aside from coastal areas of SD. 4S Ranch is probably one of the safest places in San Diego county when it comes to fire danger. Not a single home in 4S burned in the last fire. Moreover, every home has an extensive sprinkler system which has already successfully doused housefires started by dense homeowners. If you are worried about avoiding “fire danger” then 4S Ranch should be at the top of your list.

See this extensive thread on the topic.

http://piggington.com/4_closure_ranch_errr_scratch_that_fire_proof_ranch_new_nickname_

_____________________________

Great PDF Brochure by Rancho Santa Fe Fire Dept. on “Shelter in Place” concept of fire resistant construction found in newer communities within the Rancho Santa Fe Fire Dist. which include

The Bridges
4S Ranch
Cielo
The Crosby Estates
Santa Fe Valley

http://www.rsf-fire.org/assets/documents/education/preparedness/SIP_for_web.pdf
_______________

New York Times message to world . . . if your going to move to San Diego . . . 4S Ranch is one of 5 communities with “safe homes” from fire which did not burn. Good press for 4S.

________________________________

Exclusive homes emerge unscathed as fire-protection concept is tested

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20071025/news_1n25stay.html#

_________________________________

Sprinkler System in 4S Ranch “saves dumb homeowners from themselves.:

http://www.rsf-fire.org/assets/documents/news/news_releases/2005/100605%20Cayenne%20Creek%20Fire.pdf

“The Fire District encourages the use of sprinklers and other preparedness measures as a means of promoting fire-safe communities.” (Their words not mine)

Another fine example of the fire resistant technology built into 4S Ranch homes and how it gives added protection from fire compared to other homes and other communities in San Diego (even if you have a hair brained home owner throwing burning cigarrete butts onto flammable material in his garage). 4S homes are all separately plumbed with their own fire sprinkler system which is pressurized and distinct from the normal plumbing (I’m sure this cost me a small fortune). The water supply to the sprinkler systems is prioritized at the same level as the fire hydrants on the street. There are dozens of fire sprinklers on the cieling throughout my house including 4 sprinklers in the attic suspended just below the roof and a sprinkler outside of the front door (presumably to give a sprinkler protected escape route through the front door).

“The sprinkler definitely saved this home, and possibly the lives of those in the home,” said Captain Fred Cox, who responded to the call. “If there had not been a working sprinkler system in place, the fire would have spread very rapidly before anyone inside noticed. By that time, it would have been difficult to save the home and those inside could have been severely injured.”

. . .

“This is the fourth time in the last two years that sprinklers have extinguished a structure fire within the RSFFPD. In each scenario, the heat from the fire activated the nearest sprinkler head, immediately dousing the flames with water, minimizing property loss and injuries.”

Read . . . normal home burns to ground with potential loss of life. Same situation 4S Ranch home = $500 damage to the junk in your garage and a singed hand. Thats the difference between 4S Ranch and other homes not built with the same technology.

grateful owner . . . .

[arenter]

I was responding to this post by 4spotentialbuyer,

“I have to agree with NewtoSanDiego. The sales people in 4S can see how desperate you are (or at least it seemed that way to them). Next time, when you talk to them, put on your “poker face” :-)”

We were not desparate buyers and while yes, we were just looking, we may have been a potential sale considering our lease is up in May and had they offered some incentives or at least not given the air of “we don’t need your business” we may have been interested. I would just think the sales office would try a little harder considering the housing situation. Could they afford to be so standoffish and not give a potential customer more attention? I don’t expect them to be kissing my ass, but come on, I’d expect a little more love 🙂

[arenter]

I was responding to this post by 4spotentialbuyer,

“I have to agree with NewtoSanDiego. The sales people in 4S can see how desperate you are (or at least it seemed that way to them). Next time, when you talk to them, put on your “poker face” :-)”

We were not desparate buyers and while yes, we were just looking, we may have been a potential sale considering our lease is up in May and had they offered some incentives or at least not given the air of “we don’t need your business” we may have been interested. I would just think the sales office would try a little harder considering the housing situation. Could they afford to be so standoffish and not give a potential customer more attention? I don’t expect them to be kissing my ass, but come on, I’d expect a little more love 🙂

[arenter]

I was responding to this post by 4spotentialbuyer,

“I have to agree with NewtoSanDiego. The sales people in 4S can see how desperate you are (or at least it seemed that way to them). Next time, when you talk to them, put on your “poker face” :-)”

We were not desparate buyers and while yes, we were just looking, we may have been a potential sale considering our lease is up in May and had they offered some incentives or at least not given the air of “we don’t need your business” we may have been interested. I would just think the sales office would try a little harder considering the housing situation. Could they afford to be so standoffish and not give a potential customer more attention? I don’t expect them to be kissing my ass, but come on, I’d expect a little more love 🙂

[arenter]

I was responding to this post by 4spotentialbuyer,

“I have to agree with NewtoSanDiego. The sales people in 4S can see how desperate you are (or at least it seemed that way to them). Next time, when you talk to them, put on your “poker face” :-)”

We were not desparate buyers and while yes, we were just looking, we may have been a potential sale considering our lease is up in May and had they offered some incentives or at least not given the air of “we don’t need your business” we may have been interested. I would just think the sales office would try a little harder considering the housing situation. Could they afford to be so standoffish and not give a potential customer more attention? I don’t expect them to be kissing my ass, but come on, I’d expect a little more love 🙂

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