$4 gas, free market, tax burden question

[svelte]

When I moved 3 years ago I picked a place that was within walking distance of free transportation to my place of business.

Expect this trend to increase with gas prices (and jingle mail).

The real problem, however, is its not just a transportation issue. Oil is used in shipping, industry, farming, manufacture, etc. So even jerks like me that don’t drive every day end up paying for it one way or another.

I agree with kewp – homes close to employment centers will continue to become more and more valuable as energy costs rise. Whether it is oil or some other energy source, energy can’t help but become more and more expensive as time passes.

That is one of the primary reasons we decided not to buy or even look much in Fallbrook, Ramona or Temecula. Too far from our employment – and most potential future buyer’s employment – which would increase commute time/costs and decrease our future resale value.

Which energy source we use is something for the various technologies to duke out. Where you choose to live in order to be best prepared for future increases in energy costs is more a choice you can make.

One thing that may offset this somewhat but not completely: the increased use of telecommuting.

[Arraya]

One thing that may offset this somewhat but not completely: the increased use of telecommuting.

This is a good point. We need a re-organization of most things that require transport. My negativity is mostly from lack of recognition of a quickly approaching global crisis. The longer we ignore it the worse it will be.

Mankind has lived with war, famine and disease as constant facts of life for thousands of years. Any study of history before the Age of Fossil Fuels will show this quite clearly. That many now live in situations which are isolated from these facts is a consequence of the rapid use of the stored energy capital in FFs and those of us who live this way have all come to expect this to be normal.

The trouble is, all those high energy lifestyles are not normal. Once the party is over, well, it will be back to business as usual, unless, by way of some yet unknown discovery, another source of energy can be found to keep the game going. While I doubt that the high energy lifestyles can continue, as an engineer I do know of ways to produce useful energy at lower concentrations. The other problem is that we should have started a worldwide effort to make use of these sources after the first OPEC Embargo and the Iranian Crisis. Instead, we let the greedy idiots have their way and people like Ronnie RayGun kept feeding the illusion of Eternal Oil and the party kept rocking. Maybe this time, the party really is over but we won’t know until after the crowds have gone home and we wakeup with a permanent hangover…

It is better to dig the well when you are not thirsty

[Arraya]

One thing that may offset this somewhat but not completely: the increased use of telecommuting.

This is a good point. We need a re-organization of most things that require transport. My negativity is mostly from lack of recognition of a quickly approaching global crisis. The longer we ignore it the worse it will be.

Mankind has lived with war, famine and disease as constant facts of life for thousands of years. Any study of history before the Age of Fossil Fuels will show this quite clearly. That many now live in situations which are isolated from these facts is a consequence of the rapid use of the stored energy capital in FFs and those of us who live this way have all come to expect this to be normal.

The trouble is, all those high energy lifestyles are not normal. Once the party is over, well, it will be back to business as usual, unless, by way of some yet unknown discovery, another source of energy can be found to keep the game going. While I doubt that the high energy lifestyles can continue, as an engineer I do know of ways to produce useful energy at lower concentrations. The other problem is that we should have started a worldwide effort to make use of these sources after the first OPEC Embargo and the Iranian Crisis. Instead, we let the greedy idiots have their way and people like Ronnie RayGun kept feeding the illusion of Eternal Oil and the party kept rocking. Maybe this time, the party really is over but we won’t know until after the crowds have gone home and we wakeup with a permanent hangover…

It is better to dig the well when you are not thirsty

[Arraya]

One thing that may offset this somewhat but not completely: the increased use of telecommuting.

This is a good point. We need a re-organization of most things that require transport. My negativity is mostly from lack of recognition of a quickly approaching global crisis. The longer we ignore it the worse it will be.

Mankind has lived with war, famine and disease as constant facts of life for thousands of years. Any study of history before the Age of Fossil Fuels will show this quite clearly. That many now live in situations which are isolated from these facts is a consequence of the rapid use of the stored energy capital in FFs and those of us who live this way have all come to expect this to be normal.

The trouble is, all those high energy lifestyles are not normal. Once the party is over, well, it will be back to business as usual, unless, by way of some yet unknown discovery, another source of energy can be found to keep the game going. While I doubt that the high energy lifestyles can continue, as an engineer I do know of ways to produce useful energy at lower concentrations. The other problem is that we should have started a worldwide effort to make use of these sources after the first OPEC Embargo and the Iranian Crisis. Instead, we let the greedy idiots have their way and people like Ronnie RayGun kept feeding the illusion of Eternal Oil and the party kept rocking. Maybe this time, the party really is over but we won’t know until after the crowds have gone home and we wakeup with a permanent hangover…

It is better to dig the well when you are not thirsty

[Arraya]

One thing that may offset this somewhat but not completely: the increased use of telecommuting.

This is a good point. We need a re-organization of most things that require transport. My negativity is mostly from lack of recognition of a quickly approaching global crisis. The longer we ignore it the worse it will be.

Mankind has lived with war, famine and disease as constant facts of life for thousands of years. Any study of history before the Age of Fossil Fuels will show this quite clearly. That many now live in situations which are isolated from these facts is a consequence of the rapid use of the stored energy capital in FFs and those of us who live this way have all come to expect this to be normal.

The trouble is, all those high energy lifestyles are not normal. Once the party is over, well, it will be back to business as usual, unless, by way of some yet unknown discovery, another source of energy can be found to keep the game going. While I doubt that the high energy lifestyles can continue, as an engineer I do know of ways to produce useful energy at lower concentrations. The other problem is that we should have started a worldwide effort to make use of these sources after the first OPEC Embargo and the Iranian Crisis. Instead, we let the greedy idiots have their way and people like Ronnie RayGun kept feeding the illusion of Eternal Oil and the party kept rocking. Maybe this time, the party really is over but we won’t know until after the crowds have gone home and we wakeup with a permanent hangover…

It is better to dig the well when you are not thirsty

[Arraya]

One thing that may offset this somewhat but not completely: the increased use of telecommuting.

This is a good point. We need a re-organization of most things that require transport. My negativity is mostly from lack of recognition of a quickly approaching global crisis. The longer we ignore it the worse it will be.

Mankind has lived with war, famine and disease as constant facts of life for thousands of years. Any study of history before the Age of Fossil Fuels will show this quite clearly. That many now live in situations which are isolated from these facts is a consequence of the rapid use of the stored energy capital in FFs and those of us who live this way have all come to expect this to be normal.

The trouble is, all those high energy lifestyles are not normal. Once the party is over, well, it will be back to business as usual, unless, by way of some yet unknown discovery, another source of energy can be found to keep the game going. While I doubt that the high energy lifestyles can continue, as an engineer I do know of ways to produce useful energy at lower concentrations. The other problem is that we should have started a worldwide effort to make use of these sources after the first OPEC Embargo and the Iranian Crisis. Instead, we let the greedy idiots have their way and people like Ronnie RayGun kept feeding the illusion of Eternal Oil and the party kept rocking. Maybe this time, the party really is over but we won’t know until after the crowds have gone home and we wakeup with a permanent hangover…

It is better to dig the well when you are not thirsty

[cr]

You guys seen this?

It’s the way of the future….way of the future.

[cr]

You guys seen this?

It’s the way of the future….way of the future.

[cr]

You guys seen this?

It’s the way of the future….way of the future.

[cr]

You guys seen this?

It’s the way of the future….way of the future.

[cr]

You guys seen this?

It’s the way of the future….way of the future.

[alarmclock]

I saw this gas station goof ($31.5 / gallon instead of $3.15/gallon) and I realized that while I wouldn’t like it, I could probably afford to pay it, and I think most posters here could too. I currently use about 800 gallons of gas/year (I have to do a lot of driving). In such an event, I would switch to something 2x as efficient, like a civic.

http://www.local6.com/travelgetaways/15447343/detail.html

[alarmclock]

I saw this gas station goof ($31.5 / gallon instead of $3.15/gallon) and I realized that while I wouldn’t like it, I could probably afford to pay it, and I think most posters here could too. I currently use about 800 gallons of gas/year (I have to do a lot of driving). In such an event, I would switch to something 2x as efficient, like a civic.

http://www.local6.com/travelgetaways/15447343/detail.html

[alarmclock]

I saw this gas station goof ($31.5 / gallon instead of $3.15/gallon) and I realized that while I wouldn’t like it, I could probably afford to pay it, and I think most posters here could too. I currently use about 800 gallons of gas/year (I have to do a lot of driving). In such an event, I would switch to something 2x as efficient, like a civic.

http://www.local6.com/travelgetaways/15447343/detail.html

[alarmclock]

I saw this gas station goof ($31.5 / gallon instead of $3.15/gallon) and I realized that while I wouldn’t like it, I could probably afford to pay it, and I think most posters here could too. I currently use about 800 gallons of gas/year (I have to do a lot of driving). In such an event, I would switch to something 2x as efficient, like a civic.

http://www.local6.com/travelgetaways/15447343/detail.html

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