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[Eugene]

The puzzle here is why Detroit and similar cities don’t get it, and continue to drive people and businesses out of their state with high taxes and big government.

If they took $3900 and used it on competent police and public work projects, everyone would be happy.

The reality is that Detroit is a huge criminal black ghetto, and the only reason it exists is because of the government that’s willing to give people money without asking for anything in return. 3 out of 5 adults in the city of Detroit don’t have any jobs at all. They live on welfare (cash assistance, section 8, food stamps etc.) and supplement their incomes by dealing drugs and stealing from those few that still do work.

Here’s a remarkable fact: for all their distress, residents of Detroit have MORE children on average than residents of San Diego. Why? Because adults are limited in their access to welfare benefits, but our government can’t risk starving poor innocent children. So, a “single” mom with five kids can live quite happily in subsidized housing by getting all kinds of benefits for her children. (Note the quotation marks – quite often there really is a husband, but being legally married limits the access to public benefits, so they usually don’t record marriages) In turn, her daughters will start making babies of their own by the age of 15.

[Shadowfax]

Esmith:

Ok you just about take the cake for the most racist post I have seen on this site! Detroit has a lot of problems, poverty, racism, government corruption, welfare fraud, etc. being some of the biggest. But to make sweeping generalizations based on race is really not very “data minded.”

Address the problems, not the race of the people experiencing or perpetuating those problems, and I think most folks will be ok with the points you are trying to make.

There is also a large white population in and around Detroit proper, some of whom, along with their black counterparts, are ex-car factory workers living off welfare after they were laid off in the 80s, from which Detroit never fully recovered. There is not much opportunity in that part of the country for anyone. Let’s just keep the discussion accurate and not another racist tirade, shall we?

[Shadowfax]

Esmith:

Ok you just about take the cake for the most racist post I have seen on this site! Detroit has a lot of problems, poverty, racism, government corruption, welfare fraud, etc. being some of the biggest. But to make sweeping generalizations based on race is really not very “data minded.”

Address the problems, not the race of the people experiencing or perpetuating those problems, and I think most folks will be ok with the points you are trying to make.

There is also a large white population in and around Detroit proper, some of whom, along with their black counterparts, are ex-car factory workers living off welfare after they were laid off in the 80s, from which Detroit never fully recovered. There is not much opportunity in that part of the country for anyone. Let’s just keep the discussion accurate and not another racist tirade, shall we?

[Shadowfax]

Esmith:

Ok you just about take the cake for the most racist post I have seen on this site! Detroit has a lot of problems, poverty, racism, government corruption, welfare fraud, etc. being some of the biggest. But to make sweeping generalizations based on race is really not very “data minded.”

Address the problems, not the race of the people experiencing or perpetuating those problems, and I think most folks will be ok with the points you are trying to make.

There is also a large white population in and around Detroit proper, some of whom, along with their black counterparts, are ex-car factory workers living off welfare after they were laid off in the 80s, from which Detroit never fully recovered. There is not much opportunity in that part of the country for anyone. Let’s just keep the discussion accurate and not another racist tirade, shall we?

[Shadowfax]

Esmith:

Ok you just about take the cake for the most racist post I have seen on this site! Detroit has a lot of problems, poverty, racism, government corruption, welfare fraud, etc. being some of the biggest. But to make sweeping generalizations based on race is really not very “data minded.”

Address the problems, not the race of the people experiencing or perpetuating those problems, and I think most folks will be ok with the points you are trying to make.

There is also a large white population in and around Detroit proper, some of whom, along with their black counterparts, are ex-car factory workers living off welfare after they were laid off in the 80s, from which Detroit never fully recovered. There is not much opportunity in that part of the country for anyone. Let’s just keep the discussion accurate and not another racist tirade, shall we?

[Shadowfax]

Esmith:

Ok you just about take the cake for the most racist post I have seen on this site! Detroit has a lot of problems, poverty, racism, government corruption, welfare fraud, etc. being some of the biggest. But to make sweeping generalizations based on race is really not very “data minded.”

Address the problems, not the race of the people experiencing or perpetuating those problems, and I think most folks will be ok with the points you are trying to make.

There is also a large white population in and around Detroit proper, some of whom, along with their black counterparts, are ex-car factory workers living off welfare after they were laid off in the 80s, from which Detroit never fully recovered. There is not much opportunity in that part of the country for anyone. Let’s just keep the discussion accurate and not another racist tirade, shall we?

[Ren]

I didn’t see anything racist about his post. It’s okay to use the word “black” and “criminal” in the same sentence – he’s obviously not implying that all blacks are criminal, that would be stupid. However, in the U.S., crime rates in black neighborhoods are higher, blacks commit more crimes than other ethnicities, and they are also more often the victim of crime. Those are facts, and it is in no way racist to say so. Detroit just happens to have a population that is more than 80% black, a large percentage of them poor, which makes for a high crime rate.

In my opinion it’s both a cultural and government problem. Take a black person out of the typical government-created ghetto environment (extreme poverty), and assuming they are able to voluntarily give up some of the negative things the ghetto has allowed to foster in their culture (gangs, drugs), they have just as much chance of succeeding in life as a white person. If they are NOT able to lose the negative aspects of their culture, the problems just move with them. Again, this has NOTHING to do with race, and everything to do with an individual’s tendency to go around shooting people he doesn’t like because he was raised to see that as normal in his culture.

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[Ren]

I didn’t see anything racist about his post. It’s okay to use the word “black” and “criminal” in the same sentence – he’s obviously not implying that all blacks are criminal, that would be stupid. However, in the U.S., crime rates in black neighborhoods are higher, blacks commit more crimes than other ethnicities, and they are also more often the victim of crime. Those are facts, and it is in no way racist to say so. Detroit just happens to have a population that is more than 80% black, a large percentage of them poor, which makes for a high crime rate.

In my opinion it’s both a cultural and government problem. Take a black person out of the typical government-created ghetto environment (extreme poverty), and assuming they are able to voluntarily give up some of the negative things the ghetto has allowed to foster in their culture (gangs, drugs), they have just as much chance of succeeding in life as a white person. If they are NOT able to lose the negative aspects of their culture, the problems just move with them. Again, this has NOTHING to do with race, and everything to do with an individual’s tendency to go around shooting people he doesn’t like because he was raised to see that as normal in his culture.

Related:

[Ren]

I didn’t see anything racist about his post. It’s okay to use the word “black” and “criminal” in the same sentence – he’s obviously not implying that all blacks are criminal, that would be stupid. However, in the U.S., crime rates in black neighborhoods are higher, blacks commit more crimes than other ethnicities, and they are also more often the victim of crime. Those are facts, and it is in no way racist to say so. Detroit just happens to have a population that is more than 80% black, a large percentage of them poor, which makes for a high crime rate.

In my opinion it’s both a cultural and government problem. Take a black person out of the typical government-created ghetto environment (extreme poverty), and assuming they are able to voluntarily give up some of the negative things the ghetto has allowed to foster in their culture (gangs, drugs), they have just as much chance of succeeding in life as a white person. If they are NOT able to lose the negative aspects of their culture, the problems just move with them. Again, this has NOTHING to do with race, and everything to do with an individual’s tendency to go around shooting people he doesn’t like because he was raised to see that as normal in his culture.

Related:

[Ren]

I didn’t see anything racist about his post. It’s okay to use the word “black” and “criminal” in the same sentence – he’s obviously not implying that all blacks are criminal, that would be stupid. However, in the U.S., crime rates in black neighborhoods are higher, blacks commit more crimes than other ethnicities, and they are also more often the victim of crime. Those are facts, and it is in no way racist to say so. Detroit just happens to have a population that is more than 80% black, a large percentage of them poor, which makes for a high crime rate.

In my opinion it’s both a cultural and government problem. Take a black person out of the typical government-created ghetto environment (extreme poverty), and assuming they are able to voluntarily give up some of the negative things the ghetto has allowed to foster in their culture (gangs, drugs), they have just as much chance of succeeding in life as a white person. If they are NOT able to lose the negative aspects of their culture, the problems just move with them. Again, this has NOTHING to do with race, and everything to do with an individual’s tendency to go around shooting people he doesn’t like because he was raised to see that as normal in his culture.

Related:

[Ren]

I didn’t see anything racist about his post. It’s okay to use the word “black” and “criminal” in the same sentence – he’s obviously not implying that all blacks are criminal, that would be stupid. However, in the U.S., crime rates in black neighborhoods are higher, blacks commit more crimes than other ethnicities, and they are also more often the victim of crime. Those are facts, and it is in no way racist to say so. Detroit just happens to have a population that is more than 80% black, a large percentage of them poor, which makes for a high crime rate.

In my opinion it’s both a cultural and government problem. Take a black person out of the typical government-created ghetto environment (extreme poverty), and assuming they are able to voluntarily give up some of the negative things the ghetto has allowed to foster in their culture (gangs, drugs), they have just as much chance of succeeding in life as a white person. If they are NOT able to lose the negative aspects of their culture, the problems just move with them. Again, this has NOTHING to do with race, and everything to do with an individual’s tendency to go around shooting people he doesn’t like because he was raised to see that as normal in his culture.

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[DCRogers]

esmith, I think you’re missing it here: the real scam is the city government, which is run as a patronage for a lucky few, and funded by taxes on those unlucky enough to be unable to move out. Hence the City’s attempt to saddle a $1 house with nearly $4K tax bill. (Even with the old value near $80K, that’s a 5% tax rate!)

The more children on average is because any single person who can move, moves, and what’s left is the most stereotypical of the stereotypes. (“Welfare mother with 5 kids.”) Figuring out how to get these children integrated into our economy rather than into our prisons is indeed all our problems.

I agree about the high tax rates here, but it’s a catch-22, caused but city corruption, legacy costs, low density (streets with 2-3 homes each on them), and no clear sense that lowering the rates would actually cause anyone to care enough to invest in Detroit brownfields. I wouldn’t!

[DCRogers]

esmith, I think you’re missing it here: the real scam is the city government, which is run as a patronage for a lucky few, and funded by taxes on those unlucky enough to be unable to move out. Hence the City’s attempt to saddle a $1 house with nearly $4K tax bill. (Even with the old value near $80K, that’s a 5% tax rate!)

The more children on average is because any single person who can move, moves, and what’s left is the most stereotypical of the stereotypes. (“Welfare mother with 5 kids.”) Figuring out how to get these children integrated into our economy rather than into our prisons is indeed all our problems.

I agree about the high tax rates here, but it’s a catch-22, caused but city corruption, legacy costs, low density (streets with 2-3 homes each on them), and no clear sense that lowering the rates would actually cause anyone to care enough to invest in Detroit brownfields. I wouldn’t!

[DCRogers]

esmith, I think you’re missing it here: the real scam is the city government, which is run as a patronage for a lucky few, and funded by taxes on those unlucky enough to be unable to move out. Hence the City’s attempt to saddle a $1 house with nearly $4K tax bill. (Even with the old value near $80K, that’s a 5% tax rate!)

The more children on average is because any single person who can move, moves, and what’s left is the most stereotypical of the stereotypes. (“Welfare mother with 5 kids.”) Figuring out how to get these children integrated into our economy rather than into our prisons is indeed all our problems.

I agree about the high tax rates here, but it’s a catch-22, caused but city corruption, legacy costs, low density (streets with 2-3 homes each on them), and no clear sense that lowering the rates would actually cause anyone to care enough to invest in Detroit brownfields. I wouldn’t!

[DCRogers]

esmith, I think you’re missing it here: the real scam is the city government, which is run as a patronage for a lucky few, and funded by taxes on those unlucky enough to be unable to move out. Hence the City’s attempt to saddle a $1 house with nearly $4K tax bill. (Even with the old value near $80K, that’s a 5% tax rate!)

The more children on average is because any single person who can move, moves, and what’s left is the most stereotypical of the stereotypes. (“Welfare mother with 5 kids.”) Figuring out how to get these children integrated into our economy rather than into our prisons is indeed all our problems.

I agree about the high tax rates here, but it’s a catch-22, caused but city corruption, legacy costs, low density (streets with 2-3 homes each on them), and no clear sense that lowering the rates would actually cause anyone to care enough to invest in Detroit brownfields. I wouldn’t!

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