That Nugent article is good.. I think both sides have strong arguments, I sincerely don’t know how someone can say they are 100% on either side without saying ‘just because’ as part of their argument… I do believe that the means protecting liberty and democracy should be a priority #2(1st ammendment #1) but I’d like to see an objective study measuring the total deaths… because that’s what we’re talking about right is what has fewer deaths? Even with results on 100 different objective studies, we’d still have a strong line of division because opinions on this almost seem like something that run blood deep..
That’s all I have to add to the guns subject, I do have more to add to the VT subthread..
These twisted, sick minded people are cowards first and foremost, never forget that.
That sounds cool and stuff.. but the dude did walk onto a campus and fire from 2 guns killing 32 and then himself.. I wouldn’t exactly say that fits into any definition of cowardly.. and don’t assume I think it’s heroic, I’m just suggesting – how about we call it what it is, and pitch straight.. I almost suspect that people that call this kid a coward, are in denial and want to try and circus clown everyone else away from a glaring lesson here – like u said, one person can do a lot of damage when put into a cage/corner(you disagree with what this kid did(me too)? but have you thought about whats your cage look like, same as his?), and yeah this kid got a lot of attention negative, you didn’t decide, he did… along with that he hung the media on their own rope.. don’t you think the kids that teased him feel a little guilty? I think they do, if not they’re probably spouting out this “coward” bullshit that dramatic types love to try and stitch into reality..
Most people that who call this kid a coward probably call “suicide bombers” cowards too.. when they strap everything they possibly can to their body to help protect their land and whatever is important to them(see: cultural relativism) so yeah there you go, that’s what you get when you try and survive in a world with big bully.
Honestly, I don’t know where I stand on violence… but I’m positive I’d love to contribute in any way possible to preventing another school shotting from happening again… Why do I not understand my own position on violence? I do not like blood, I do not like inflicting pain on any other person or even animals or bugs at that.. but as Chomsky says: “I’m of course opposed to terror; any rational human is. But if we are serious about the question of terror; serious about the question of violence, we have to recgnize that it is a tactical issue. As a matter of fact, tactical isssues are basically moral issues; they have to do with human conseqences. And if we are interested in diminishing the amount of violence in the world; it’s at least argueable, in fact sometimes true. That a terrorictic act does diminish the amount of violence in the world. Hence, a person who is opposed to violence will not be be opposed to a terrroristc act.” -Noam Chomsky
Call it what you will.. our doublespeak world of news and political correctness/insanity has hijacked the word ‘terrorism’ and uses it on anything involving a muslim or arab.. I am reluctant to accept it most times, but I label this VT shooting as terrorism.. look at the word, it’s using terror to coerce.. I think this qualifies… especially when considering, that he had a manifesto that got airtime!!
How about we teach todays kids to stop teasing the other kids… what better way to push a less fortunate kid into silence / insanity than teasing!! I had it happen, and it’s not fun.. kids are like little coyotes and team up to share the kill.. Some kids don’t mature as quickly/faster, or are able to deal with issues of confidence and expression at the same level as others… or like my problem ‘didn’t watch enough TV to know what style was or how to blend in’.. Do you think this VT shooter, was a virgin? I do.. when do you think he last had any human touch? Yeah, try living inside your own head 24 hours a day with no socialization for 20+ years… Not saying he’s not a scumbag for not trying to fix his problem constructively by seeking help.. but I’d guess that sometimes when you’ve been rejected your whole life, breaking through that fear of rejection can be impossible..
In my opinion this is a really simple problem, not saying it’s simple to solve.. but every one of these shootings fit the same pattern – kids that were teased and felt that no matter how intelligent they were they could not connect with the other kids or the “norm”.. Sure, I too put the responsibility to ‘not go on a shotting rampage’ on them, instead of buying guns try and figure out how to communicate with people, but even still… One solution is to identify these kids that are quiet or have been teased(very easy to do) and you TALK and LISTEN to the kids, and please don’t do it with dogmatic old hags in diapers, but young open minded folks looking to release some of the anger these kids have developed from being shut out.. Then you take the kids that were caught teasing, and you educate them on what happens when they try and ‘sacrifice’ a defenseless(no friends) person for their initiation/rank maintenance as a sheeplekid.
