You’re familiar with how hard you’ve worked, but you’re not familiar with how hard others have worked to get wherever they are. Getting a degree is just one part of the equation. Some jobs that don’t require degrees are much more difficult than many jobs that do require degrees; it’s just a different type of “hard work.” It’s condescending and presumptuous to state that you can do anyone else’s job, but they’re incapable of doing yours; or that you work harder than anyone else (especially those who are unionized).[/quote]
Show me where in this thread I said that.
Lastly it was your gal BG that was “condescending” to start. I would have never said anything if it weren’t for the crap statement. So direct your comments towards her and you won’t hear from me. I wasn’t the one who cast the orginal insult. Only responded to it.
Perfectly willing to let sleeping dogs lie.
Lastly I am not condescending. You will know when I am being condescending. I am perfectly willing to live with being label arrogant.
CE[/quote]
Not so much on this thread, CE. You’ve had this attitude on other threads over the years, particularly on the anti-union threads. But even on this thread you’ve said this:
[quote=CDMA ENG] I have done this exact job as a non-union memember in Las Vegas and I can tell you the Union Guys werent that good. In fact many times my team was called in to do the job when the unions guy weren’t getting it done fast enough cause “this guy can only do this and that guy can only do that bullshit”.
So don’t tell me that shit BG about many Piggs being incapable… It’s insulting to the point I have to say somethine. Been there… done that… and stayed in school cause the jobs were a “nowhere” job and to expect anything more of it was ridiculous.
[Insinuates that the people doing these jobs are “less worthy” of a decent, middle-class lifestyle…that their jobs don’t mean very much, but yours does. -CAR]
Stage rigging is not rocket science though I will admit it is tough work to turn a show in 24 hours and a certian degree of can-do and creativeness is required. That is true of any job.
[No, it might not be “rocket science,” but most jobs aren’t…so? I know a few actual rocket scientists, and they aren’t making that much money. Do you think rocket scientists represent the pinnacle of human success? If so, then why aren’t they paid more in your “free market” capitalist system? Why do financiers often make more than rocket scientists? -CAR]
And yes… they dont make that much money but I dont’ want to hear that bullshit comment “union guys do it better cause they are paid too.” Terrible arguement that continues to be brought up evey other minute on this site.
I am tired of your attitude concerning the white collar profesionals on this site. You have a case of white collar envy.
Most of us weren’t born with a silver spoon.
I came from a lower middle class broken home. I worked construction roofing houses three stories in the air. I worked for AD Scenery (if you want validation of my story). I have done all of those Dirty fucking jobs to get to where I am today as a degree’d engineer and I know a lot of ppl here went to the school of hard knock as well.
[So you acknowledge that those jobs are difficult, even worse than your current gig. So why do you think they shouldn’t be paid well? -CAR]
So for once get off your high fucking horse. If you had it so figured out, which you want ppl to think from your 1 page “googled” rants, why arent you suceeding more in life? Don’t tell us you are exactly where you want to be and doing what you want to do.
I could be a cop… or a firefighter… Plumber… or any other of these jobs… Why?!? Cause like I said I had to at on point in my life and knew that it was a stepping stone to another better job. I HAVE THE PYHSICAL APPITUDE. I HAVE THE MENTAL AS WELL. As many ppl on this board do.
[No, you weren’t a cop or firefighter (or plumber?) before. And precious few people would say that these jobs are “stepping stones” to something else/better (Your jobs is better? You are more worthy than the people doing these jobs?). These are career-type jobs, not starter jobs. -CAR]
So stop making poor assumptions of other and saying stupid things.
I will do any job that I have to in order to make it in this world.
Right now, my job, as an engineer, is to tell union people and non-union people… how to do theirs…
[Maybe arrogant, maybe condescending…certainly not humble, which is perfectly fine. You’ve worked hard to get where you are, but others have worked just as hard to get where they are. Let’s respect the talents and hard work that each person brings to this world. -CAR]
Shove it. [Now that’s just not nice. 😉 -CAR]
CE[/quote]
Again, this wasn’t your worst post. It’s just ironic that you accuse BG of being condescending when you’ve been every bit as condescending (or more) over the years. I think you’re an intelligent, hard-working person, but you definitely come across as one who thinks everybody else is beneath you, and that you, and others very much like you, are the only ones who deserve to do well in life. It would just be nice if we could all learn to respect one another and support the great variety of people, from various professions, who provide goods and services that greatly benefit our society and improve our quality of life.[/quote]
Again. Only reacting to the orginal insult. I never said anything about others regarding hardwork and again you need to point your arguements towards your friend, as well, otherwise you have NO case and show yourself just as biased.
Your comments above serve as an attack because they are based outside of this arguement. I am willing to let that slide.
The rest of my family are all blue coller’ed too so I must think them all beneath me as well eh?
So leash your dog CAR, meaning BG, and I’ll leash mine… To carry on with the let sleeping dogs lay analog.
Again your side is casting stones and when some responds to it your side crys foul.
It’s like the double standard that Chris Rock once cited about “Fat women get to say mean things about skinny ones… But skinny ones can’t say anything about fat ones because it is just plain mean”
Bullshit… Turn about is fair play…
I don’t think people are beneath me. In fact I am known to be the guy that can relate to anyone in the room for any situation. At a party I am a social butterfly.
That being said I am tired of people:
1. Bitching about thier station in life and mainly doing very little about it.
and then:
2. Saying “You couldn’t do what I do” when that ability is soley centered around hard physical labor a some moderate intellegence activity and thier perception that sitting at a desk all day is somehow easier..
Again been there… done that… as a lot of people have on this site.
Never mentioned anything about others not working hard so stop accusing me of such.
Be Fair.
I am willing to accept those labels which are true versus the ones you accuse me of which are not.
I know who I am and exactly what limits I have. I do not think that I could be just anybody… I know that certian things are within my reach and others are not but I have met to many people in this life time that think they could reach for the stars and grasp them an not have a clue about what thier limits are.
This damn country breeds ppl under the notion that “All men are created equally”. Which it true if you read the context of the total quote but it is not true that we are all equal in ability. Some of us are better than other….
I will never be a marathon runner… Or a CEO of a major company or on the cover of GQ… Simply becaude I don’t have those abilities…
