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I don’t begrudge the “middle eastern males” who were the bulk of foreign students back then. I wasn’t an engineering student and their presence wasn’t affecting my ability to get an education. They paid the OOS tuition and that’s just who it happened to be at the time.
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Let me complete your thought process for you. Yes, you didn’t have a problem with middle eastern men at the time, because there wasn’t “many of them”..They were a minority in numbers and didn’t affect your education (which you chose not to get). But, had you wanted to get one and if it was important enough for you, and if there was “too many of them colored middle eastern” that such that they were of serious competition to you and they were were qualified to attend, regardless of whether how much money they had to pay for the college, then you would have had a problem with that, the same way you have a problem now.
You see, that’s the problem you folks have. You start out by saying. I don’t have a problem with a minority group…so long as there numbers remain a minority….But the moment there’s more of “them” versus more of “you”, then suddenly it becomes a problem. You wouldn’t say the same thing if you couldn’t identify “those” people as being white. Anytime, someone that is colored that can do better and will do better than you, and if there’s a lot of them, then you have a problem with that….
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You seem to have some kind of a chip on your shoulder, AN, and you shouldn’t, because you’re an American.
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Lol. Pot, meet kettle. You have a chip on your shoulder from everything regarding obamacare, to foreigners, to real estate outside of chula vista, to investments other people make that you don’t. I’m sure there’s a much longer list that I forget at the current moment.
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Yes, I will admit that I would like to see more CA HS graduates get admitted to a public in-state university … preferably as close to “home” as possible so they won’t have to pay for room and board. I think its really depressing how many CA HS grads are actually admitted to UC/CSU, even after applying to 4+ campuses. It’s not fair that possibly ~108,500 slots are “given away” to OOS/OOC applicants
when our own kids can’t even transfer out of CC as a junior with a ~3.6 GPA. It’s wrong and immoral and I don’t know of any other state which does this at the expense of their own natives and residents.
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Are you arguing that your issue is that there are too many foreigner students taking up UC admissions, or are you arguing that they don’t pay their fair share? I’m not following what you’re arguing over. First of all, most foreign students aren’t paying in-state tuition for the first two years, and most of them are not on need based scholarships (at least not the ones attending UC from asia. That’s probably why the UC system is recruiting there. Because the UC schools need more people that can afford to pay the full tuition to offset all the people that don’t pay a full tuition,
Second, there’s not a “lower” standard to admit foreign students versus in-state students. It just so happens countries like India and China have 1.36 and 1.25 billion people, so you’re bound to find plenty of people who have the credentials AND can afford to pay for the full ride. Many of those foreigners might have accents, but they sure as hell can write and read better than many people in this country. Afterall, they actually took the time to learn proper English.
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You’ve got young kids who will someday want to apply to UC/CSU so you should be concerned about this issue, as well.
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Yeah, and short of any other “quota” to limit admissions on anything but academic merit is just a policy that discriminates. You know as well as I know that quota limiting would be the means to reduce the number asians not based on merit but based on numbers to be proportional to the population demographics. (Does SCA-5 ring a bell). And that would be a hell no.
The problem is that the cost of education is going up, partly due to uncontrolled costs at the universities, no one wants to pay more for it. So what do you think will happen? Of course the schools are going to turn to people with money, and they are going to fill some of those slots with well qualified candidates out of state (or out of this country).
