[quote=AN][quote=flu]There’s plenty of rhetoric being through from that side on high tech workers, forign workers, and H1-Bs.[/quote]Rhetoric is one thing. Actual proposal is another. At least no one on the right actually proposed affirmative action.
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No, alt-right isn’t proposing affirmative action. They are proposing shipping foreigners home, qualified or not. It’s as if shipping a bunch of P.H.d’s home sudden will free up jobs for these guys, with no education, to fulfill. I know you and I both know this is ridiculous, but it sure doesn’t seem like alt-right gets it.. And an extension to this is “go back to india/asia”, applied to anyone that looks like that. It’s not that you are physically really going to be kicked out. Those sort of biases have very interesting ways of creeping up. Remember when a few weeks ago, the discussion of colleges brought here such to some suggested as structuring TOFEL exams in such a way that it was much harder for people from China specifically to pass? That’s the mentality of alt-right. Alt-right really doesn’t believe in equality based on merit. Only when it is convenient to talk about eliminating AA on one hand, and yet quota limiting certain groups on the other, or “making it much harder for them”, as some alt-right suggest. There’s huge difference between the mentality of what is in the center, those that truly believe equality and merit based rewards. And there are those on extreme on both sides of the spectrum that all want to bend the rules in their own ways to benefit themselves, who can’t make it on merit alone.
[quote] The Republican is completely fractured and there are 3-4 other parties picking up the pieces and none will be able to compete with the $ from the Democrats and they have control of all 3 branches for decades. Now, that’s worse case scenario. Yes, that does bother me, but I personally think that’s a much much less likely scenario. Maybe you think this is likely if all you watch is Fox.
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I don’t watch fox news, and barely watch CNN. I get most of my news from the BBC. But….I’m just merely pointing out the Republicans control both chambers of Congress. The number of House seats up for grabs is not going to put Democrats in the majority this election cycle. And the number of senate seats that the GOP is endanger of losing, is not going to be enough to allow any sort of anti-filibuster. Not that I’m a proponent of this as a negotiation tactic.
[quote]I personally give up the Republican party just as I’ve given up the Democrat party in the past. I view them both as hypocrites. It’s funny you’re saying all of the bullshit that is the current Republican party. Those are the exact reason why I’ve given up on them I see them as nothing but hypocrites. Small government my ass. Same as the Dems, pro choice my ass. I personally would like to see the Alt-Right blow up the republican party. I’m tired of these spineless Republicans in congress.
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I agree both are hypocrites. And I should have been clear. Bullshit happens in both party. There’s the typical political bullshit, you just accept that it’s just a bunch of politicians hand waving, and going with the flow. And then there’s someone who is so blunt on projecting racism and more than 40+% of the american population is ok with it. That’s disturbing. That to me makes me think are we really doing that much better, or are we moving backwards.
[quote]personally think there aren’t as many hardcore Trump supporter who think like what you’re describing. I’m guessing around 20% of the Republican, which is about 5% of Americans. The rest either are just tired of the political class and just want to blow shit up or they’re exactly like you and are voting for the lesser of the two evil.
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Maybe, I would like you to be correct
[quote] But I did vote for ALL Dems in the down ballot with hope to blow up the Republican party.
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I don’t get this. Why? In CA, there are more republicans that are more moderate than at the national level. Many don’t even agree with what is coming out of Alt-right, and have even gone on record being anti-alt-right/trumpist, well before Trump’s ratings took a nose dive. If you don’t want what something like SCA-5 to happen again, in CA, you don’t want to see CA state assembly/senate regain a supermajority.
I’m actually kind of chuckling at this because it seems like this time, we’re doing the exact opposite. At the local level, I voted for every republican I could that wasn’t a trump supporter, and made sure all the democrats that either voted for SCA-5 or thought it was ok didn’t get my vote.
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Well, Hillary did vote for the Iraq war, going into and staying in Afghanistan, going into and staying in Libya, going into and staying in Syria. So, in term of war, I’m not sure she’ll do anything different than Bush or Obama.
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Ok, good point…
[quote=flu]I guess this is what’s causing us to diverge in deciding who to vote for. I view 4-8 years as short term. I’m sure I can do more than survive 4-8 years regardless of Trump or Hillary. I don’t think both can do that much serious damage in 4-8 years, which I consider as short term. Long term to me is more like 20+ years. I look at the policies both are peddling and see how it will affect me, my kids, my grand kids, etc.[/quote]
I guess the difference here is my age versus your age. 8 years, this will impact my kid. and 20 years, I’ll probably be dead, so it won’t matter 🙂
