[quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=scaredyclassic][quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=scaredyclassic]agreed. i think this is good. maybe to cut down on insurance costs, businesses can bring on as partial owners all kinds of people with all kinds of exclusionary and unique religious beliefs that make it impossible to provide insurance. this way, no one can have any insurance of any knd! it’ll be really cheap! the jehovah’s witness police avoiding all surgeries should be cut rate. why should only JW businesses get that advantage? let all businesses have a JW on board to get that benefit…
actually maybe a business can broker out these religious owners to small businesses to help avoid insurance costs…[/quote]
You make a joke, but you’ve inadvertently touched on two key issues here. The first is that the ACA has done nothing to cut private insurers out of the mix, perpetuating the fucked up, neither fish nor fowl system, and, second, it illuminates the coercive power of the government to run roughshod over anything in its path.
You seem to bemoan the restrictions placed on this collectivist piece of shit legislation, while conveniently ignoring that we’re a nation of individuals, some of whom might associate with others of similar beliefs or ideologies.
I’m thinking there was some piece of legislation that President Clinton passed in 1993 that covered that.[/quote]
the goal of prviding some level of insurance to its citizens is not gov. running roughshod over everyone in its path…and the characterization of the debate this way is perhaps a good example of the tribal diviisions in this country and how fundamentally we do not give a crap about our fellow citizens so long as we have ours…[/quote]
I’m actually all for the single payer approach as exemplified by Medicare. But Obama wasn’t interested in actually providing a good product or program, he was interested in his legacy, and this the unworkable piece of shit we’re saddled with.
Where I have the most heartburn is the government compelling me to action, without considering what I may wish to do as a private citizen. Sorry, but that’s no bueno and fuck that. That is precisely government running roughshod, no two ways about it.[/quote]
kind of. although if you exercise your liberty and don’t ahve insurance, and you have a heart attack while we’re out drinking and arguing about this, I’ll call an ambulance, you’ll run up a giant tab at the local hospital, and if you’re broke you’ll declare bankruptcy. you won’t just die quietly with your principles, and i won’t decline to call 911 because you made your choices and elected to go a certain path…. so i guess the real consistent thing to do would be to let you have your hardwon principles and also let you die int he gutter without your insurance but with your ability to choose intact…
but i guess we don’t do that, i guess id be worried about you and on the phone pronto to 911 and call an ambulance and probably give you CPR because, well, we have the money as a nation, and because heoretically we give a shit about one another. sort of… except if it costs us a buck…
