[quote=scaredyclassic]only betas read poetry, probably to impress girls.

go long on harley davidsons and mancave accesdories.

short hipsters.[/quote]

Thanks for the nice response and your return to the moral high ground.

My husband is 6’2″ and I can’t get my arms all the way around him at the chest (and I’m 5’6″). He was blessed with a football player body and puts on muscle almost effortlessly. It pisses me off. He was the first person to convince me to read poetry. He also likes graphic design, science and switching engines in and out of cars. Women know that men are many things because they always want to tell us about their secret (forbidden) interests – (i.e. poetry or similar). I’ve never heard a woman decide not to go out with someone because he liked opera. My daughter got my husband’s height, long legs and some long lost relatives good looks. She only talks to guys who are in band with her. Most of whom are a head shorter than her.

Men buy Harleys for other men.

Personally, I think the misogyny issue wasn’t so influential in the election because I have heard this sort of stuff (well maybe not as bad as the Trump quote) from every stripe of male – especially when they don’t think women are around. (I worked at a law firm where I was one of the 2 or 3 women lawyers out of 60 or 70). I heard guys say repulsive stuff about their daughters and their wives. And it wasn’t limited to the republicans or democrats. For most women I think Trumps comments were a bit ho hum – although the assault issues were something different.

The population of this country is no different than it was before the election. I think if anything good came out of all of this it shows how misinformed or mistaken the news media is. I think the hand wringing is too much. The Supreme Ct. nominee can’t be any more conservative than Scalia, and even with him there was significant movement in terms of gay marriage, etc. I cried when Reagan was elected (even though I wasn’t old enough to vote) and it wasn’t the end of the world. In fact, the Reagan years were good for a lot of people. The race issue, if anything, seems to have gotten worse under Obama – at least I think so. Maybe people just more willing to talk about it. Not saying any of this is good – just that outcomes can be very unpredictable.

Thanks again for your nice reply. Go to the gym and try to forget about all this crap – that’s what I’m going to do.