this school isn’t the low price leader though i dont think. there’s others like it.
if you really want to make it as an attorney…you will…regardless of the school.[/quote]
I see three issues with something like this school:
(1) it’s a part time program, so on an apples-to-apples comparison to a full-time law program, it’s closer to $11k a year for tuition. Plus $700 per attempt to pass the baby bar
(2) my quick google search (since I admittedly have never heard of California Southern) informed me that in 2010, 3 of 33 people passed the bar. I found a link showing pass percentages (although not numbers, so this is a little misleading) – no one passed the first time in the July 2010 and 2011 exams. Between 1997 and 2007, only 32% of grads passed the bar (21% first try, 11% on repeat trys). And this is after the “hopeless” cases have theoretically been weeded out with the baby bar, which I have also heard is fairly hard.
(3) if you do manage to pass the bar, you will almost certainly be stuck practicing in California forever, since it’s not accredited and most other states do no permit people from non-ABA schools to sit for their bars.
These points pretty much apply to all non-accredited schools. To me, going to a non-accredited school is like putting $30k down on 00 on a roulette table. Maybe you are right that if someone wants to make it, they will, but the odds are really against you.[/quote]
you will be stuck in CA forever probably, but that is a good thing, if you want your kid to stay in CA. CA is big, bold beautiful and diverse.
yes the odds of passing the bar are low statsistically, but that’s not a function of the school itself, it’s a function of who is going to the school.
Look– if you took the UC Hastings freshman class, put them on a bus, and sent them to this school, the bar pass rate would probably be very very close to what UC hastings’ pass rate is.
Theerstwhile hastings’ law first years could work p/t as a security guard, study nights, and maybe even have a higher pass rate, since at this “lesser” school they would actually be studying the actual subject matter on the bar exam, not waste time with “multiculturalism and the law” …or as I wasted time, with “ERISA law” and “mental health law”….
And have ZERO DEBT when it’s over…
it’s common for “lower” schools to focus on the meat and potatoes subjects (criminal procedure, evidence, wills and trusts, etc.) on the bar, while elite schools ignore the subject matter on the bar and study random shit. just to show how smart they are, they say their students will learn all the bar crap in the two month bar review course before the exam…whcih of course the goddamn STUDENT pays for… and never even take HALF the subjects ont he bar exam.
that was my experience…
am I right, JWIZZLE? of course im right, at least on this bar review bar prep bullshit. BARBRI was a few grand back in the 90’s. i just checked the website a few moments ago and saw it is $4135 today.
GOOD LORD, LAW STUDENTS OF AMERICA…is this a scam or what?
So if you know in your heart you are going to do whatever it takes to pass the bar, as I knew for an absolute certainty when i began law school, then you will pass, IF you have the mental horsepower (which i’d say is a 90% percentile on the LSAT and above–at least that puts it in the very good bet category).
the thing is, people with a 90% plus LSAt view themselves as “too smart” to go to this school.
but maybe they’re not as smart as they think.
look, I did substantially higher than a 90% plus LSAt score and went to a top 20 law school. But if I had it to do over again? no way. i’d go to ca southern–also keep in mind with my application, i’d probably get a free ride at this school too…
I disagree with you that p/t 7,000 school is the “same”as 11k full time, since many people can pull together 7k p/t per yearand pay as you go, but when you start to get much higher, you start accruing interest bearing debt.
for my own kid, I am absolutely certain if he went to this school, and wanted to pass the bar exam, he would pass the bar exam, if he wanted it…
