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December 14, 2016 at 8:58 AM #22224December 14, 2016 at 9:16 PM #804501
NotCranky
ParticipantIt’s a propaganda warfare kind of world.
December 15, 2016 at 2:00 PM #804512Anonymous
GuestThis one is an interesting grey area.
First Amendment guarantees freedom of speech/press for US citizens and residents, but it doesn’t apply to foreign governments.
Fake news sources operated by foreign governments or even foreign citizens are not protected by the First Amendment. If this law is targeted at them, I’m likely ok with it.
But stuff like this can and will be abused…
Humerous note: zerohedge.com is considered by more credible organizations to be fake news. It’s definitely low quality.
December 15, 2016 at 3:55 PM #804513
Rich ToscanoKeymasterZero Hedge, always with the even-handed analysis: https://twitter.com/zerohedge/status/809466335499612160
December 15, 2016 at 5:49 PM #804515GuestThat Tyler Durden journalist fella sure is handsome!
(and the humerous is a bone, lol)
December 16, 2016 at 4:39 PM #804525ucodegen
ParticipantThis almost seems to be taken from the North Korea playbook. Kind of Orwellian too.
December 17, 2016 at 4:35 AM #804530CA renter
Participant[quote=Rich Toscano]Zero Hedge, always with the even-handed analysis: https://twitter.com/zerohedge/status/809466335499612160%5B/quote%5D
I’m not on twitter, so might be missing what they’re trying to communicate here (assuming that you’re indicating that they were wrong or not even-handed in their analysis), but my reading of the twitter feed linked here is that they’re showing how many abominable actions by governments are often said to be “conspiracy theories” and “fake news,” when, in reality, they are absolutely true and factual. Many “conspiracy theories” turn out to be conspiracy facts.
It looks like they are saying that censorship and government control of the media is dangerous. I agree wholeheartedly with their assessment.
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But it’s not just Zero Hedge, this is from the site of one of the senators who introduced the legislation.
Another perspective:
Counter-Propaganda Bill Quietly Creates US Propaganda Factory
………….A pro-censorship article about it in the Washington Post:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Countering_Foreign_Propaganda_and_Disinformation_Act
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Let’s not forget that they are basing this on the fraud and collusion that was exposed in the Wikileaks releases during the primary and general election seasons. All of the information that was released was true, and it proved what many who witnessed these manipulations were saying for months (and were called “conspiracy theorists” as a result).
Instead of going after those who were involved in the corruption and collusion, they are choosing to go after those who exposed it. This is a very disturbing occurrence.
December 17, 2016 at 4:35 AM #804531Participant[quote=ucodegen]This almost seems to be taken from the North Korea playbook. Kind of Orwellian too.[/quote]
Very Orwellian. 🙁
December 17, 2016 at 9:20 AM #804535Rich ToscanoKeymaster[quote=CA renter]
I’m not on twitter, so might be missing what they’re trying to communicate here (assuming that you’re indicating that they were wrong or not even-handed in their analysis)[/quote]There’s no “analysis”… it’s just these 2 pictures side by side:
– A form to report fake news to Facebook (a private organization)
– A Nazi book-burning rally in WWII era GermanyThat’s literally the whole thing.
December 17, 2016 at 9:24 AM #804536Rich ToscanoKeymasterHere’s a screen grab:
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December 17, 2016 at 9:26 AM #804537Rich ToscanoKeymasterPS – I’m not expressing an opinion on this legislation… I just like to make fun of Zero Hedge.
December 21, 2016 at 9:34 AM #804559Escoguy
ParticipantRich
There is considerable reason to believe that Zero Hedge is an agitprop site.
A handful of “facts” presented in a way to show the problems with the US: high levels of debt, potential for a weakening currency.
With topics such as Ukraine, Zero Hedge is clearly in the Russia camp.
How Do You Know That Zero Hedge is a Russian Information Operation? Here’s How
Best thing you can do is just not read it to lower their traffic/clicks/ad revenue.
This kind of website epitomizes why discerning what is fake news is difficult but in essence the theme of the site it to take “facts” and push an agenda in a particular manner rather than showing any balance. Somewhat comparable with “Fox News” saying “Fair and Balanced”, when 70-80% of the coverage is center right and the center left coverage is done in a halfhearted/weak way.
December 23, 2016 at 1:55 AM #804576Participant[quote=Rich Toscano][quote=CA renter]
I’m not on twitter, so might be missing what they’re trying to communicate here (assuming that you’re indicating that they were wrong or not even-handed in their analysis)[/quote]There’s no “analysis”… it’s just these 2 pictures side by side:
– A form to report fake news to Facebook (a private organization)
– A Nazi book-burning rally in WWII era GermanyThat’s literally the whole thing.[/quote]
I think this is more of an issue with twitter and its 140 character limit. That leaves very little room for any analysis or debate. It’s one of the main reasons I’ve not spent any time on twitter, save for the odd links to a twitter feed that people post on other sites.
December 23, 2016 at 3:56 AM #804577Participant[quote=Escoguy]Rich
There is considerable reason to believe that Zero Hedge is an agitprop site.
A handful of “facts” presented in a way to show the problems with the US: high levels of debt, potential for a weakening currency.
With topics such as Ukraine, Zero Hedge is clearly in the Russia camp.
How Do You Know That Zero Hedge is a Russian Information Operation? Here’s How
Best thing you can do is just not read it to lower their traffic/clicks/ad revenue.
This kind of website epitomizes why discerning what is fake news is difficult but in essence the theme of the site it to take “facts” and push an agenda in a particular manner rather than showing any balance. Somewhat comparable with “Fox News” saying “Fair and Balanced”, when 70-80% of the coverage is center right and the center left coverage is done in a halfhearted/weak way.[/quote]
Unfortunately, there are precious few media outlets that offer an objective perspective on news and current events. That’s why people need to be familiar with all of the relevant facts, along with the various perspectives, so that they can piece things together for themselves.
Just my 2 cents, but I’ve not seen any “fake news” on Zero Hedge. I’m not a regular reader, but I’ve been reading posts and comments there, off and on, for quite a few years; I’ve yet to see them promote a story that had no basis in reality (though I admit to not reading the majority of their work).
I’ve seen far more “fake news” and propaganda on CNN, Fox News, MSNBC, etc. At the very least, ZH is willing to post stories — real stories — that are not being covered in the MSM. That in itself is reason enough to keep ZH as one of many alternative news sources.
December 23, 2016 at 7:23 AM #804578GuestZero Hedge is totally legit.
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