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Did you know St. Patrick’s was a dry holiday in Ireland until 1970.

Aside from the color green, the activity most associated with St. Patrick’s Day is drinking. However, Irish law, from 1903 to 1970, declared St. Patrick’s Day a religious observance for the entire country meaning that all pubs were shut down for the day. That meant no beer, not even the green kind, for public celebrants. The law was overturned in 1970, when St. Patrick’s was reclassified as a national holiday – allowing the taps to flow freely once again.

I like Elizabeth Warren, but I’m afraid she has her share of haters, even more so than Hillary.

Men who like Elizabeth Warren tend to be young millennials or what Arnold would call “girlie men”. “Real men” like Sarah Palin.

I believe there’s a lot of psychology/sociology to who we like or dislike. Interesting to examine.

[quote=FlyerInHi]I like Elizabeth Warren, but I’m afraid she has her share of haters, even more so than Hillary.

Men who like Elizabeth Warren tend to be young millennials or what Arnold would call “girlie men”. “Real men” like Sarah Palin.

I believe there’s a lot of psychology/sociology to who we like or dislike. Interesting to examine.[/quote]

I like Elizabeth Warren because she is not sure what side she’s on completely. She was a Republican for a while but changed her mind and has voted for both parties. She was a lawyer but worked from home, presumably because she also felt a need to be at home when her children were small. She taught kids with disabilities, proving at least to me, that she puts her money where her mouth is. ( I don’t know how Hillary can go on and on about the less fortunate while accumulating a large fortune of her own. She is the 0.1% . . .). Elizabeth Warren is also smart enough to say that she never wants to be president. The only ones who want to be are narcissistic lunatics.

[quote=njtosd] Elizabeth Warren is also smart enough to say that she never wants to be president. The only ones who want to be are narcissistic lunatics.[/quote]

My list. We don’t really need to argue about it, it’s just for fun. I’d love to see others’ lists

These aren’t in any order. If they were, Teddy Roosevelt would be right up there with Trump.

Narcissistic lunatics:

Trump (obviously)
Bill and Hillary
Cruz
Rubio
JF Kennedy
Teddy Roosevelt
Franklin Roosevelt
Nixon
GW Bush

Not narcissistic lunatics:

Obama
Kasich
Elizabeth Warren
Carter
Ford
Eisenhower
Reagan (?)
GHW Bush
Bobby Kennedy
Ben Carson (although he is a lunatic IMO)
Bernie

Some fine presidents on both those lists, IMO.

[quote=FlyerInHi]Although i am a man, I feel like i understand Hillary.

Like Hillary, I was idealistic once but much more pragmatic now.

I don’t think caring for the less fortunate is exclusive of building your own fortune so I don’t fault the Clintons for becoming rich. The reality is that you need money to open doors and be taken seriously. Plus, with money, you can delegate more and accomplish a lot more. It makes no sense for people to say “if you care for the poor, you should give up your own money”. How does it help anyone to live in poverty and have no power?

Hillary may seem calculating, but that’s what business and the business of politics, and being a lawyer are all about. People who are business minded should support that.

I believe that Hillary has been a liberal since her college days and that never goes away. Sometimes the country is too conservative and not ready to move on so she had to equivocate. For example, she was against gay marriage before she supported it. But that is not flip flopping. It’s evolution. What matters is that she supports it now.

In politics, you have to be flexible and adjust to the context. I mean, how useful it is to say “we will not deal with Cuba as long as Castro is in power”? Well Fidel left power years ago and his brother took power. Doubling down on an old policy is stupid. I’m glad that Hillary and Obama restored relations with Cuba.[/quote]

Clinton is a flip-flopper because even in this fight with Bernie, she has gone even FARTHER left just because she has to do just that to get the nomination. She was supportive of a free trade deal earlier with Obama, but had to flip flop so she wouldn’t lose the nomination recently.

She also had to go FARTHER on immigration than she wanted to or Obama ever did due to the election.

She panders and says whatever is needed to enrich herself and her situation and to WIN the election. That is, by definition, what flip flopping is. She says whatever is needed to win.

All you’ve stated above from what I take is that it’s ok to make money, and after you have money, no matter how you made it even if it’s selling out so you profit from it (say, get kickbacks, speaking fees, whatever so you approve a deal or contract or whatever that’s bad for the country, but good for you, it’s all ok)…

My feeling is that Hillary is completely bought by special interest. Her main goal in life is to make money and enrich herself and her family, that’s all. Everything done has that end goal in mind. Helping blacks is to help herself and her husband get elected. I don’t believe deep down, she honestly gives a crap.

Yes, I am a Clinton hater. But calling her progressive I feel is inaccurate and ultimately, I feel she is there just to enrich herself. I think after the whole Monica Lewinsky affair, she stayed with Bill since politically, that would be best for her to get ahead.

We will never know what she really feels deep down, but stating all you state above is really giving her credit that she doesn’t deserve IMO.

Some of my problems with politics and politicians and all these types is that a lot of times, they get inside information for various business deals or partnerships, but unlike insider trading, it is stated that they can trade and invest based on this information, all legally…

Oh well, maybe I am sad to just see her possibly get the nomination soon and the smell test of rich people giving you money and not wanting anything in return is naïve I feel.

Interesting you should mention speaking style. Hillary has been criticized for speaking too loud and not smiling enough. I don’t particularly care for her style.

Obama has a soothing stardard American accent combined with some folksiness. He can be mocking, but I like that. Good deep voice. Most of the time, he has a handsome stage presence.

Cruz’ high pitched voice is kinda annoying. If anyone sounds out of touch elitist, Cruz does. He looks like a cartoon character. Rubio is inconsistent. Trump is annoying.

I like Justin Trudeau’s style. Young, forward looking, positive. He has a soothing voice; he speaks clearly in voice that’s a little “posh”. Too bad we don’t have someone like that in the United States.