Option 5 should be “Who gives Option 5 should be “Who gives a flying fuck? I’d rather have a Bolt or Leaf.”
GM isn’t great, but neither GM or Nissan are under the delusion that they still own your car after you buy and pay for it. They don’t have the same discriminatory policies against 3rd-party mechanics and parts sales to non-authorized people.
Teslas are OK cars (bit heavy on the tech/tracking crap, I’d rather have a SIMPLE electric car and be able to open the rear doors without power!), but their support for DIY people is abominable.
FlyerInHi
September 4, 2018 @
11:02 AM
Tesla is a vanity brand like Tesla is a vanity brand like other vanity brands. Tesla does add technology.
We will see if the market is large enough for their ambitions.
I think they should stick to making luxury cars. Why sell for 35k when you can charge double?
moneymaker
September 7, 2018 @
7:16 AM
So, so far nobody believes So, so far nobody believes Elon Musk will have a $35k car available this year. The reason I started this poll is because the wife put $1000 down to be on the waiting list over 2 years ago and still cannot buy that $35k car. So did Elon lie or is it old school bait and switch?
moneymaker
September 7, 2018 @
8:12 AM
Maybe Ford and Tesla should Maybe Ford and Tesla should look into a “joint” venture. As the only 2 American car companies that have never gone through bankruptcy it might make “cents”.
Let’s see it could be called Fosla or Terd, probably the former. Reminds me of my favorite animal the Fossa from Madagascar, it has no natural predators and has been around a very long time.
outtamojo
September 8, 2018 @
10:04 AM
moneymaker wrote:So, so far [quote=moneymaker]So, so far nobody believes Elon Musk will have a $35k car available this year. The reason I started this poll is because the wife put $1000 down to be on the waiting list over 2 years ago and still cannot buy that $35k car. So did Elon lie or is it old school bait and switch?[/quote]
For us it was between getting the long range with full tax incentive vs waiting for the 35K car with possibly no federal tax incentive. We decided the certainty of tax back and the bigger battery were worth it. Otoh if you can get a new model 3 at 25K net with the 220 mile battery that would easily be the best new car you could buy at that price point. Despite a misaligned C pillar and some paint bubbles
I would buy again- the motor and chassis are THAT good!
Oni Koroshi
September 17, 2018 @
12:41 PM
moneymaker wrote:So did Elon [quote=moneymaker]So did Elon lie or is it old school bait and switch?[/quote]
Neither really. It’s always been Tesla’s position that the more optioned out car would come out first, they never put a timeline on when the base model would be released.
If you look at it from a pure business position, why slow down production on the more expensive car for a cheaper one with less margin if the demand is still sky high?
FlyerInHi
September 17, 2018 @
5:24 PM
Oni Koroshi wrote:
If you [quote=Oni Koroshi]
If you look at it from a pure business position, why slow down production on the more expensive car for a cheaper one with less margin if the demand is still sky high?[/quote]
Like housing. Why build affordable basic housing when there’s high demand for “luxury”.
svelte
September 17, 2018 @
6:42 PM
moneymaker wrote: So did Elon [quote=moneymaker] So did Elon lie or is it old school bait and switch?[/quote]
I don’t think it’s either. I think he actually believes the rubbish he says.
Twitter, half truths, random behavior. He’s just another Trump.
svelte
September 17, 2018 @
6:41 PM
I don’t think we’ll ever see I don’t think we’ll ever see a $35K Model 3. Unless they decontent it more, which I’m not sure is possible.
masayako
September 17, 2018 @
11:08 PM
1. Tesla will go bankrupt or 1. Tesla will go bankrupt or bought out.
2. Fuel cell is the future, not full batteries powered vehicle.
3. Elon will remain a legendary billionaire.
FlyerInHi
September 28, 2018 @
12:09 PM
Poor Tesla. They’ll Poor Tesla. They’ll eventually get bought out by the Chinese.
Myriad
September 28, 2018 @
2:18 PM
FlyerInHi wrote:Poor Tesla. [quote=FlyerInHi]Poor Tesla. They’ll eventually get bought out by the Chinese.[/quote]
Current economic cold war headed towards a full Cold War.[/quote]
Well, true…. all the worry about China now is tacit admission that Chinese dirigisme works.
I don’t think the US can disengage from China because they are the biggest market and global corporations cannot ignore the biggest maket. It’s just basic economics.
Plus how can we demand market access in China if we refuse Chinese investments here?
We can diversify our supply chain, but that would mean creating something like TPP. The difficulty now is that a new TPP will take another 10 years and Chinese companies are already offshoring so will end up buying from Chinese owned factories anyway.
I hope we can do something, but we need to move very quickly.
Have you been reading about the battle for 5G? Paul Jacobs, formerly of Qualcomm said it should be about cooperation.
FlyerInHi
January 11, 2019 @
1:42 AM
In light of their new In light of their new gigafactory in shanghai, I think Tesla will indeed have cheaper cars, likely first in the Chinese market.
barnaby33
January 11, 2019 @
8:21 AM
Funny, I’m more interested in Funny, I’m more interested in the Roadster than the 35k model 3, though I can’t afford the Roadster.
Josh
spdrun
January 11, 2019 @
8:33 AM
Buy a Miata or MR-Spyder with Buy a Miata or MR-Spyder with a bad motor and tranny. Roll your own electric sports car using commercially-available parts…
It would probably be more fun to drive than a new Tesla roadster that will come overloaded with tech and nanny features, more along the lines of the original 2008-9 roadster.
September 4, 2018 @ 6:27 AM
Option 5 should be “Who gives
Option 5 should be “Who gives a flying fuck? I’d rather have a Bolt or Leaf.”
GM isn’t great, but neither GM or Nissan are under the delusion that they still own your car after you buy and pay for it. They don’t have the same discriminatory policies against 3rd-party mechanics and parts sales to non-authorized people.
Teslas are OK cars (bit heavy on the tech/tracking crap, I’d rather have a SIMPLE electric car and be able to open the rear doors without power!), but their support for DIY people is abominable.
September 4, 2018 @ 11:02 AM
Tesla is a vanity brand like
Tesla is a vanity brand like other vanity brands. Tesla does add technology.
We will see if the market is large enough for their ambitions.
I think they should stick to making luxury cars. Why sell for 35k when you can charge double?
September 7, 2018 @ 7:16 AM
So, so far nobody believes
So, so far nobody believes Elon Musk will have a $35k car available this year. The reason I started this poll is because the wife put $1000 down to be on the waiting list over 2 years ago and still cannot buy that $35k car. So did Elon lie or is it old school bait and switch?
September 7, 2018 @ 8:12 AM
Maybe Ford and Tesla should
Maybe Ford and Tesla should look into a “joint” venture. As the only 2 American car companies that have never gone through bankruptcy it might make “cents”.
Let’s see it could be called Fosla or Terd, probably the former. Reminds me of my favorite animal the Fossa from Madagascar, it has no natural predators and has been around a very long time.
September 8, 2018 @ 10:04 AM
moneymaker wrote:So, so far
[quote=moneymaker]So, so far nobody believes Elon Musk will have a $35k car available this year. The reason I started this poll is because the wife put $1000 down to be on the waiting list over 2 years ago and still cannot buy that $35k car. So did Elon lie or is it old school bait and switch?[/quote]
For us it was between getting the long range with full tax incentive vs waiting for the 35K car with possibly no federal tax incentive. We decided the certainty of tax back and the bigger battery were worth it. Otoh if you can get a new model 3 at 25K net with the 220 mile battery that would easily be the best new car you could buy at that price point. Despite a misaligned C pillar and some paint bubbles
I would buy again- the motor and chassis are THAT good!
September 17, 2018 @ 12:41 PM
moneymaker wrote:So did Elon
[quote=moneymaker]So did Elon lie or is it old school bait and switch?[/quote]
Neither really. It’s always been Tesla’s position that the more optioned out car would come out first, they never put a timeline on when the base model would be released.
If you look at it from a pure business position, why slow down production on the more expensive car for a cheaper one with less margin if the demand is still sky high?
September 17, 2018 @ 5:24 PM
Oni Koroshi wrote:
If you
[quote=Oni Koroshi]
If you look at it from a pure business position, why slow down production on the more expensive car for a cheaper one with less margin if the demand is still sky high?[/quote]
Like housing. Why build affordable basic housing when there’s high demand for “luxury”.
September 17, 2018 @ 6:42 PM
moneymaker wrote: So did Elon
[quote=moneymaker] So did Elon lie or is it old school bait and switch?[/quote]
I don’t think it’s either. I think he actually believes the rubbish he says.
Twitter, half truths, random behavior. He’s just another Trump.
September 17, 2018 @ 6:41 PM
I don’t think we’ll ever see
I don’t think we’ll ever see a $35K Model 3. Unless they decontent it more, which I’m not sure is possible.
September 17, 2018 @ 11:08 PM
1. Tesla will go bankrupt or
1. Tesla will go bankrupt or bought out.
2. Fuel cell is the future, not full batteries powered vehicle.
3. Elon will remain a legendary billionaire.
September 28, 2018 @ 12:09 PM
Poor Tesla. They’ll
Poor Tesla. They’ll eventually get bought out by the Chinese.
September 28, 2018 @ 2:18 PM
FlyerInHi wrote:Poor Tesla.
[quote=FlyerInHi]Poor Tesla. They’ll eventually get bought out by the Chinese.[/quote]
Hah, but I bet there would be a CFIUS review.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/an-economic-cold-war-looms-between-the-u-s-and-china-1537968600
Current economic cold war headed towards a full Cold War.
September 28, 2018 @ 3:30 PM
Myriad wrote:FlyerInHi
[quote=Myriad][quote=FlyerInHi]Poor Tesla. They’ll eventually get bought out by the Chinese.[/quote]
Hah, but I bet there would be a CFIUS review.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/an-economic-cold-war-looms-between-the-u-s-and-china-1537968600
Current economic cold war headed towards a full Cold War.[/quote]
Well, true…. all the worry about China now is tacit admission that Chinese dirigisme works.
I don’t think the US can disengage from China because they are the biggest market and global corporations cannot ignore the biggest maket. It’s just basic economics.
Plus how can we demand market access in China if we refuse Chinese investments here?
We can diversify our supply chain, but that would mean creating something like TPP. The difficulty now is that a new TPP will take another 10 years and Chinese companies are already offshoring so will end up buying from Chinese owned factories anyway.
I hope we can do something, but we need to move very quickly.
Have you been reading about the battle for 5G? Paul Jacobs, formerly of Qualcomm said it should be about cooperation.
January 11, 2019 @ 1:42 AM
In light of their new
In light of their new gigafactory in shanghai, I think Tesla will indeed have cheaper cars, likely first in the Chinese market.
January 11, 2019 @ 8:21 AM
Funny, I’m more interested in
Funny, I’m more interested in the Roadster than the 35k model 3, though I can’t afford the Roadster.
Josh
January 11, 2019 @ 8:33 AM
Buy a Miata or MR-Spyder with
Buy a Miata or MR-Spyder with a bad motor and tranny. Roll your own electric sports car using commercially-available parts…
http://www.evwest.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=4
It would probably be more fun to drive than a new Tesla roadster that will come overloaded with tech and nanny features, more along the lines of the original 2008-9 roadster.