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Josh, I don’t know how long your list of criteria was, did you have others, like credit check, income verification, rental history and references, lifestyle habits? When you said, you don’t want a strict Islamic living in your home, did you apply this to other strict religious types of “insert Catholic, Mormon, Latter Day Saint, cult” that may want to hold religious meetings in your home, constantly praying, setting up a shrine in your home, preaching to you, etc? I’m not going to judge your beliefs, but only hope that you don’t stereotype a book by its cover, and took the time to qualify people based on whatever your list was because that would be the intelligent thing.

I can see arguments on both sides for a lot of criteria. If you are not religious at all, and do not want your home to bear crosses, hold bible studies, or if the roommate wants to preach to you and judge you every time you crack open a beer, does that make you a bigot? What if you don’t want a roommate who is elderly, does that constitute ageism? Or too young? What about someone who’s a strict vegan and you’re a cook as much meat as possible person? What about a eliminating people because they are a cross dresser, nudist, or person who legally sells marijuana under a state license for medicinal purposes? What if you’re a gay guy who doesn’t want a straight roommate, does this make the gay guy intolerant, or simply wanting someone who can identify with his sexual preferences?

I certainly don’t condone hate based on race, sex, religion, etc. However, we are all prejudiced, whether we have preferences or dislikes for people based on race, age, sex, religion, beliefs, how they look, habits, values, money, the list can go on and on. We all judge people based on our own filter.

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Excuse me?? Dallas AND Houston BOTH made the list?? Red-state Texas? Super-Christianite Texas? Pro-marriage Texas? Anti-premarital sex Texas? Mega-family-values-Texas has TWO cities in the top ten?

Hah!! And they can’t even blame it on what they consider their liberal aberration, Austin. Dallas and Houston. That’s rich!

I wonder if Gov. Perry’s going to make some more of his incomparable commercials for Texas tourism that feature this recent achievement.[/quote]

Houston is the topless club capital….well i hear Houston and Toronto both share the privilege of that notoriety. Just because someone is Christian doesn’t mean they don’t sin a lot, in fact I find some ( obviously not all) of the most holier than though types are the ones that sin the most, hence they go to church a lot to repent.

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[quote=eavesdropper][quote=flu]

Excuse me?? Dallas AND Houston BOTH made the list?? Red-state Texas? Super-Christianite Texas? Pro-marriage Texas? Anti-premarital sex Texas? Mega-family-values-Texas has TWO cities in the top ten?

Hah!! And they can’t even blame it on what they consider their liberal aberration, Austin. Dallas and Houston. That’s rich!

I wonder if Gov. Perry’s going to make some more of his incomparable commercials for Texas tourism that feature this recent achievement.[/quote]

Houston is the topless club capital….well i hear Houston and Toronto both share the privilege of that notoriety. Just because someone is Christian doesn’t mean they don’t sin a lot, in fact I find some ( obviously not all) of the most holier than though types are the ones that sin the most, hence they go to church a lot to repent.

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[quote=eavesdropper][quote=flu]

Excuse me?? Dallas AND Houston BOTH made the list?? Red-state Texas? Super-Christianite Texas? Pro-marriage Texas? Anti-premarital sex Texas? Mega-family-values-Texas has TWO cities in the top ten?

Hah!! And they can’t even blame it on what they consider their liberal aberration, Austin. Dallas and Houston. That’s rich!

I wonder if Gov. Perry’s going to make some more of his incomparable commercials for Texas tourism that feature this recent achievement.[/quote]

Houston is the topless club capital….well i hear Houston and Toronto both share the privilege of that notoriety. Just because someone is Christian doesn’t mean they don’t sin a lot, in fact I find some ( obviously not all) of the most holier than though types are the ones that sin the most, hence they go to church a lot to repent.

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[quote=eavesdropper][quote=flu]

Excuse me?? Dallas AND Houston BOTH made the list?? Red-state Texas? Super-Christianite Texas? Pro-marriage Texas? Anti-premarital sex Texas? Mega-family-values-Texas has TWO cities in the top ten?

Hah!! And they can’t even blame it on what they consider their liberal aberration, Austin. Dallas and Houston. That’s rich!

I wonder if Gov. Perry’s going to make some more of his incomparable commercials for Texas tourism that feature this recent achievement.[/quote]

Houston is the topless club capital….well i hear Houston and Toronto both share the privilege of that notoriety. Just because someone is Christian doesn’t mean they don’t sin a lot, in fact I find some ( obviously not all) of the most holier than though types are the ones that sin the most, hence they go to church a lot to repent.

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[quote=eavesdropper][quote=flu]

Excuse me?? Dallas AND Houston BOTH made the list?? Red-state Texas? Super-Christianite Texas? Pro-marriage Texas? Anti-premarital sex Texas? Mega-family-values-Texas has TWO cities in the top ten?

Hah!! And they can’t even blame it on what they consider their liberal aberration, Austin. Dallas and Houston. That’s rich!

I wonder if Gov. Perry’s going to make some more of his incomparable commercials for Texas tourism that feature this recent achievement.[/quote]

Houston is the topless club capital….well i hear Houston and Toronto both share the privilege of that notoriety. Just because someone is Christian doesn’t mean they don’t sin a lot, in fact I find some ( obviously not all) of the most holier than though types are the ones that sin the most, hence they go to church a lot to repent.

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yeah they won’t make as much off of you, but for every savvy buyer, there’s probably a 100 that pay 2-5k too much. the internet sales guy typically gets paid a flat rate for the car he sells. the finance guys get paid on financing the car. so overall a dealer does want to max their numbers. but i know people who’ve paid cash for cars with no trade in and gotten pretty good deals, i think its about volume for some dealers and they simply need to move cars to get paid the holdback and to clear room for 2012 cars.

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yeah they won’t make as much off of you, but for every savvy buyer, there’s probably a 100 that pay 2-5k too much. the internet sales guy typically gets paid a flat rate for the car he sells. the finance guys get paid on financing the car. so overall a dealer does want to max their numbers. but i know people who’ve paid cash for cars with no trade in and gotten pretty good deals, i think its about volume for some dealers and they simply need to move cars to get paid the holdback and to clear room for 2012 cars.

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yeah they won’t make as much off of you, but for every savvy buyer, there’s probably a 100 that pay 2-5k too much. the internet sales guy typically gets paid a flat rate for the car he sells. the finance guys get paid on financing the car. so overall a dealer does want to max their numbers. but i know people who’ve paid cash for cars with no trade in and gotten pretty good deals, i think its about volume for some dealers and they simply need to move cars to get paid the holdback and to clear room for 2012 cars.

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yeah they won’t make as much off of you, but for every savvy buyer, there’s probably a 100 that pay 2-5k too much. the internet sales guy typically gets paid a flat rate for the car he sells. the finance guys get paid on financing the car. so overall a dealer does want to max their numbers. but i know people who’ve paid cash for cars with no trade in and gotten pretty good deals, i think its about volume for some dealers and they simply need to move cars to get paid the holdback and to clear room for 2012 cars.

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yeah they won’t make as much off of you, but for every savvy buyer, there’s probably a 100 that pay 2-5k too much. the internet sales guy typically gets paid a flat rate for the car he sells. the finance guys get paid on financing the car. so overall a dealer does want to max their numbers. but i know people who’ve paid cash for cars with no trade in and gotten pretty good deals, i think its about volume for some dealers and they simply need to move cars to get paid the holdback and to clear room for 2012 cars.

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flinger, i think i looked at truecar when i got my last car, but i also read all the forums on edmunds, kbb, etc to figure out what other people were paying for cars. i didn’t read flu’s car buying guide at the time, but i did basically what he outlined based on previous research i’d done.

my advice is do as much internet research as possible on actual buyers and what they paid, as well as current manufacture rebates, incentives, etc. also, if you plan to ever lease a car, you need to read what the money factor rates are and whether you can get an employee rate, and the residuals. do not lease or buy a car based on the monthly amount, you need to ask for MSRP, the price they are offering you, any other fees in the quote and a detailed breakdown of the cars costs by features ( IE how much are they charging you for the color you chose, trim, packages, etc). in a lease, also money factor, residual, lease term. the more knowledgeable you are, the less likely the salesperson is going to dick around with you and you’ll quickly figure out which sales guys will play ball versus ones who just want to screw with you like you don’t know what’s going on.

if you ever plan to finance a car through a dealership, you need to ask for the rate, and then check it against what’s nationally available. also you need to check the bank fee. dealers love to mark up the bank fee or the best available finance rate that you qualify for. if your credit is stellar, no reason you should not get what is nationally advertised, IE 0% or 1%, etc.

there were a few dealers who’s internet sales department in LA refused to deal with me unless i came in- fletcher jones in LA so i just dropped them. some LA dealers will even drive a car down to you if you don’t feel like going up there. IE House of Imports. also if you have time, you should start a few months before the 2012 cars come out, and then keep checking deals every month. you’ll find the deals might get better and sometimes SD dealers who couldn’t beat the LA prices, start looking more competitive as they get more interested in getting those 2011 cars out, you might find the best deals AFTER 2012 cars are out, but keep in mind inventory gets lower, so you may not get the actual package you want. also, some dealers are willing to do dealer trades to get you the car you want via their dealer. so just because the dealer you want to buy from doesn’t have your car, doesn’t mean they can’t get it. also it might be coming via a new shipment of cars and a good sales guy will check it.

here’s a good guide to read, http://www.carbuyingtips.com/car3.htm

also the fightingchance sight the site references is one a guy i know used to buy a toyota and he found he got his car a few thousand under invoice.

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flinger, i think i looked at truecar when i got my last car, but i also read all the forums on edmunds, kbb, etc to figure out what other people were paying for cars. i didn’t read flu’s car buying guide at the time, but i did basically what he outlined based on previous research i’d done.

my advice is do as much internet research as possible on actual buyers and what they paid, as well as current manufacture rebates, incentives, etc. also, if you plan to ever lease a car, you need to read what the money factor rates are and whether you can get an employee rate, and the residuals. do not lease or buy a car based on the monthly amount, you need to ask for MSRP, the price they are offering you, any other fees in the quote and a detailed breakdown of the cars costs by features ( IE how much are they charging you for the color you chose, trim, packages, etc). in a lease, also money factor, residual, lease term. the more knowledgeable you are, the less likely the salesperson is going to dick around with you and you’ll quickly figure out which sales guys will play ball versus ones who just want to screw with you like you don’t know what’s going on.

if you ever plan to finance a car through a dealership, you need to ask for the rate, and then check it against what’s nationally available. also you need to check the bank fee. dealers love to mark up the bank fee or the best available finance rate that you qualify for. if your credit is stellar, no reason you should not get what is nationally advertised, IE 0% or 1%, etc.

there were a few dealers who’s internet sales department in LA refused to deal with me unless i came in- fletcher jones in LA so i just dropped them. some LA dealers will even drive a car down to you if you don’t feel like going up there. IE House of Imports. also if you have time, you should start a few months before the 2012 cars come out, and then keep checking deals every month. you’ll find the deals might get better and sometimes SD dealers who couldn’t beat the LA prices, start looking more competitive as they get more interested in getting those 2011 cars out, you might find the best deals AFTER 2012 cars are out, but keep in mind inventory gets lower, so you may not get the actual package you want. also, some dealers are willing to do dealer trades to get you the car you want via their dealer. so just because the dealer you want to buy from doesn’t have your car, doesn’t mean they can’t get it. also it might be coming via a new shipment of cars and a good sales guy will check it.

here’s a good guide to read, http://www.carbuyingtips.com/car3.htm

also the fightingchance sight the site references is one a guy i know used to buy a toyota and he found he got his car a few thousand under invoice.

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flinger, i think i looked at truecar when i got my last car, but i also read all the forums on edmunds, kbb, etc to figure out what other people were paying for cars. i didn’t read flu’s car buying guide at the time, but i did basically what he outlined based on previous research i’d done.

my advice is do as much internet research as possible on actual buyers and what they paid, as well as current manufacture rebates, incentives, etc. also, if you plan to ever lease a car, you need to read what the money factor rates are and whether you can get an employee rate, and the residuals. do not lease or buy a car based on the monthly amount, you need to ask for MSRP, the price they are offering you, any other fees in the quote and a detailed breakdown of the cars costs by features ( IE how much are they charging you for the color you chose, trim, packages, etc). in a lease, also money factor, residual, lease term. the more knowledgeable you are, the less likely the salesperson is going to dick around with you and you’ll quickly figure out which sales guys will play ball versus ones who just want to screw with you like you don’t know what’s going on.

if you ever plan to finance a car through a dealership, you need to ask for the rate, and then check it against what’s nationally available. also you need to check the bank fee. dealers love to mark up the bank fee or the best available finance rate that you qualify for. if your credit is stellar, no reason you should not get what is nationally advertised, IE 0% or 1%, etc.

there were a few dealers who’s internet sales department in LA refused to deal with me unless i came in- fletcher jones in LA so i just dropped them. some LA dealers will even drive a car down to you if you don’t feel like going up there. IE House of Imports. also if you have time, you should start a few months before the 2012 cars come out, and then keep checking deals every month. you’ll find the deals might get better and sometimes SD dealers who couldn’t beat the LA prices, start looking more competitive as they get more interested in getting those 2011 cars out, you might find the best deals AFTER 2012 cars are out, but keep in mind inventory gets lower, so you may not get the actual package you want. also, some dealers are willing to do dealer trades to get you the car you want via their dealer. so just because the dealer you want to buy from doesn’t have your car, doesn’t mean they can’t get it. also it might be coming via a new shipment of cars and a good sales guy will check it.

here’s a good guide to read, http://www.carbuyingtips.com/car3.htm

also the fightingchance sight the site references is one a guy i know used to buy a toyota and he found he got his car a few thousand under invoice.

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flinger, i think i looked at truecar when i got my last car, but i also read all the forums on edmunds, kbb, etc to figure out what other people were paying for cars. i didn’t read flu’s car buying guide at the time, but i did basically what he outlined based on previous research i’d done.

my advice is do as much internet research as possible on actual buyers and what they paid, as well as current manufacture rebates, incentives, etc. also, if you plan to ever lease a car, you need to read what the money factor rates are and whether you can get an employee rate, and the residuals. do not lease or buy a car based on the monthly amount, you need to ask for MSRP, the price they are offering you, any other fees in the quote and a detailed breakdown of the cars costs by features ( IE how much are they charging you for the color you chose, trim, packages, etc). in a lease, also money factor, residual, lease term. the more knowledgeable you are, the less likely the salesperson is going to dick around with you and you’ll quickly figure out which sales guys will play ball versus ones who just want to screw with you like you don’t know what’s going on.

if you ever plan to finance a car through a dealership, you need to ask for the rate, and then check it against what’s nationally available. also you need to check the bank fee. dealers love to mark up the bank fee or the best available finance rate that you qualify for. if your credit is stellar, no reason you should not get what is nationally advertised, IE 0% or 1%, etc.

there were a few dealers who’s internet sales department in LA refused to deal with me unless i came in- fletcher jones in LA so i just dropped them. some LA dealers will even drive a car down to you if you don’t feel like going up there. IE House of Imports. also if you have time, you should start a few months before the 2012 cars come out, and then keep checking deals every month. you’ll find the deals might get better and sometimes SD dealers who couldn’t beat the LA prices, start looking more competitive as they get more interested in getting those 2011 cars out, you might find the best deals AFTER 2012 cars are out, but keep in mind inventory gets lower, so you may not get the actual package you want. also, some dealers are willing to do dealer trades to get you the car you want via their dealer. so just because the dealer you want to buy from doesn’t have your car, doesn’t mean they can’t get it. also it might be coming via a new shipment of cars and a good sales guy will check it.

here’s a good guide to read, http://www.carbuyingtips.com/car3.htm

also the fightingchance sight the site references is one a guy i know used to buy a toyota and he found he got his car a few thousand under invoice.

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