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Participant[quote=svelte]Lol @ roseanne[/quote]
I think the roseanne situation illustrates just how ensconced in their alternate reality these propaganda-brainwashed nutjobs are. They really think that it’s reality, and they don’t understand that people in real reality see them as profoundly ignorant. I mean, if their “reality” was real, why would anybody be upset when they tweeted about what, in their world, is true?
In their “reality,” comparing black people to apes is de rigueur. Believing in wacky conspiracy theories is normal. These things aren’t questioned in their “reality,” they’re applauded. How many times do you think roseanne has seen a tweet or an article in the right-wing nut-o-sphere that was vile and racist and yet was ignored by the mainstream (because it was from some nobody) and was met with nothing but support from similar-minded people? She probably thought, “yeah, this will get some LOLs and some retweets, just like I always see these things get.” Not understanding that there is a real world out there that she is a part of and where these things don’t fly.
When roseanne’s character on the show was a trump supporter, that caused a lot of conversation and an increase in viewership. But it didn’t really come with any condemnation. And why would it? You can vote for whoever you want. But I think she misunderstood this lack of condemnation for her being a trump supporter for a lack of condemnation for being the other things that frequently come with being a trump supporter. Like being ignorant and a racist and a conspiracy theorist and being ensconced in an alternate reality.
These people don’t just think they’re normal, they think they’re righteous and strong. And the reason that they think they’re righteous and strong is that, in their alternate reality, they are. And the reason that, in their alternate reality, they’re righteous and strong is brainwashing by right-wing media.
And that’s part of the reason why right-wing propaganda has such a strong hold on them and why they’re so reluctant to let go of their support for trump. For them to let go of their alternate reality, they have to go from being righteous and strong to admitting that they have no strength and are of low virtue and that they’ve been ignorant all this time. That’s quite a fall to take. Right-wing propagandists have them right where they want them, and they’re not letting go without a fight.
ParticipantStandard right-wing propaganda operation.
“Spygate: How Right-Wing Media Creates a Conspiracy Theory Out of Thin Air”
https://www.gq.com/story/spygate-conspiracy-theory-explained
Participant[quote=FlyerInHi]
Not true, ZK. The internet is just a tool. Depends how you use it.
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Well, of course. My point is that way more people than I expected ended up less informed rather than more informed.
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Just think about globalization of education and knowledge. Back after WWII, only kids in advanced countries had access to encyclopedias and libraries. Now, Indians in poor villages can become world citizens. In fact I have Indian neighbors who have advanced degrees thanks to globlization of education. My cleaning lady can FaceTime with her family in Cuba.
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There certainly are some people who are better informed than before. And that’s a great thing. But the fact is that propaganda is much easier to spread now. And millions and millions and millions of people fall for it.
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The problems with deplorables is that they see many cues that their status is waning, so they cling to backward culture and conspiracy theories. Instead of working hard to better themselves, they romanticize the mob (Trump) who would take care them.[/quote]
Agree. But if they didn’t have right-wing media pushing those conspiracy theories and helping them romanticize trump and convincing them that minorities and immigrants are to blame for their waning status, then I think they would be a lot more likely to see the truth.
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The deplorables choose to be ignorant. Don’t blame the media or the Internet. Blame the people who have access to knowledge but choose ignorance. ZK, please don’t be such a bleeding heart making excuses for the deplorables.
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Well, I don’t know if calling them brainwashed is making excuses for them. And that’s what I see. When I call them “idiots,” I mean it in that sense. But humans in general are idiots in that sense. Most humans are idiots in that sense. I don’t see them as being more susceptible to propaganda and brainwashing than other humans. But I do see them as being in a position right now where they’re particularly vulnerable to exactly the type of propaganda being spread by a vast and powerful machine.
What gives you the impression that the deplorables choose to be ignorant?
And what do you think their reasons are for making that choice?
Participant[quote=scaredyclassic]
now, everyone thinks theyre smart because they have a cellphone with all knowledge in it. [/quote]
I was naive enough to think, back in the late ’90s, that this new internet thing would usher in a new era of enlightenment. So much knowledge available to so many people!
I didn’t realize just how susceptible people are to believing anyone who is willing to tell them that what they want to be true is actually true.
That should be fox’s slogan.
“Only your truth matters. Not the actual truth”
Participant[quote=JAFO2018]Liberals and Conservatives will never agree, will never bend. They hate each other and the politicians on each side love it that way.
I agree with Charles Krauthammer’s take on Trump.[/quote]
I don’t hate conservatives. But I am quite sad that there are so many people in this country who, despite an apparent lack of mental illness, can’t seem to tell reality from fantasy. Who are so brainwashed by right-wing media and right-wing social media that they actually believe in the alternate reality that they have been indoctrinated to believe.
You seem to fit into that category, JAFO2018. Charles Krauthammer didn’t write that article. Nobody with any sense would write such moronic drivel. You probably saw it on facebook or something and never doubted its veracity. Because you, living in your alternate reality, can’t see what nonsense it is. I read it and could immediately see that Krauthammer didn’t write it. 14 seconds on google confirmed it. While I disagree with Krauthammer far more often than not, and I do think he is even a bit nutty at times, even he wouldn’t write such nonsense.
Trying to give credence to such nonsense by attributing it to someone who has at least a modicum of respect among reasonable people is a typical example of the kind of reality twisting constantly being done by right-wing media and right-wing social media.
I could easily rip that article to shreds. But why would I waste my time? It’s just nonsense written by some nut job passed off as something written by somebody semi-reasonable. And the nut job who wrote it isn’t here to debate it with me.
Now, JAFO2018, if you’re willing to defend that article and debate its merits with me, just let me know.
ParticipantI need an analogy.
The best thing that my cousin, like so many brainwashed right-wingers, can say about his dear leader is that he pisses off liberals. He can’t name a single reason why he likes him, and he doesn’t seem to be bothered in the least by his lying. But he gets excited when reasonable people talk about how horrible trump is.
It seems like that’s been a favorite pastime of right-wingers for quite some time now. Since well before president kleiner schwanz was elected, these fools have taken joy in angering the other side. But since the election, it’s gotten much worse.
Now, I don’t really care that that’s how they get their kicks. Except that, now, it seems like it’s the only reason they need to support this buffoon who is ruining our country. It seems like they’re willing to participate in the ruining of this country just so they can laugh at the people who they perceive as having laughed at them or who they think of as ignorant or whatever.
This is obviously quite immature and foolish. But they don’t seem to see it that way. I wonder if an analogy would help them understand. I doubt it, but you never know, and I’d like to have an analogy for it anyway.
I like to think I’m half-decent at coming up with analogies, and this one seems like it should be easy to come up with an analogy for. Brainwashed fools happily contributing to their own demise just so they can… I don’t know, feel superior, or have their moment in the sun, or just laugh, or whatever. Maybe if I understood their motivation better, an analogy would be easier. In any case, I’m stumped.
Anyway, just throwing it out there. If anybody has an analogy, or if anybody sees the above differently, I’d be interested in what they have to say.
ParticipantThese idiots are convinced that Mueller’s investigation is unfair.
This country is losing its respect for the rule of law, and we have right-wing media to thank for that.
ParticipantPrediction:
If gas prices spike due to unrest in the Middle East, right-wing media will somehow conclude that it’s liberals’ fault, and the brainwashed rabble that partake of right-wing media will fall for every word of it.
It makes me wonder how obvious their lying has to be before these idiots figure it out.
ParticipantYou could probably find dozens of pages like this
http://coastalsandiego.com/about-san-diego/san-diego-climate-guide/
but most of them have the climate divided into “zones.”
The reality is that (with some exceptions due to local topography) for every mile you go inland (especially for the first 15 miles or so), you’ll have higher summer temperatures and less cloudy days. Although I think the change in temperature is more pronounced than the change in the number of cloudy days.
There are lots of days when it’s sunny everywhere and the temperature is 69 in Del Mar and 82 in Scripps Ranch. And lots of days the marine-layer clouds go all the way to the mountains. (On those days the temperature difference is much less pronounced.) There are some days when the marine layer only goes to, say, Del Mar or to Carmel Valley or to RSF or to Penasquitos or to Scripps Ranch. It’s those days that account for having more sunny days the farther inland you go. But usually the marine layer is pretty thin on those days, and frequently on those types of days it burns off by the afternoon.
As I mentioned in those other threads you probably read, I’ve found that Carmel Valley is actually a bit cool for my taste in the summer. 72 every day sounds great. And it is compared to a lot of places. But that means that, even in the summer, it’s in the 60’s for some of the day with a bit of a breeze. If you’re in the sun, it’s definitely warm enough. In the shade, it’s a bit chilly.
It’s great inside, though. You almost never have to use your a/c. (Or your furnace, for that matter.) You might want a/c during the occasional monsoon moisture times in August (when the cooling effect of the ocean is greatly reduced), and maybe during the hotter Santa Anas. But very rarely.
So obviously it comes down to what you like. The beauty is that you can find it just by moving a bit closer to or farther from the coast.
I don’t know where you’re moving from, but if it’s anywhere where it’s humid in the summer, one great thing you’ll find about San Diego is the sleeping weather. At least 350 days a year the sleeping weather is fantastic. The flip side of that is that you’ll need a jacket outside most nights.
ParticipantWhich translation are you reading, scaredy?
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I shall leave a note in my will urging my kids to hold on to the set and consider reading it when they turn 55. I hope my check marks next to points make them feel some consanguinity of feeling for me.[/quote]
A breathtakingly beautiful sentiment.
Participant[quote=scaredyclassic]
strange that a kinky gay French guy from 100 years ago knows my heart.[/quote]
Now you’re tempting me to read these books.
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I could not have read him 10 years ago…
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What changed?
Participant[quote=scaredyclassic]I was just excited that proust is numero uno[/quote]
Yeah, it’s cool when you’re into something and it’s the real deal.
I don’t think I have the mental energy to slog through that kind of book anymore. Or maybe I just don’t want to. I don’t know.
Maybe if it was more or less enjoyable to read (as opposed to being worth the effort of reading because of the enlightenment or knowledge you gain).
I’m curious if you find reading Proust enjoyable, or if you read it for the reason I mentioned above, or some other reason?
ParticipantDang, those seem like a lot of work.
Just finished “Hillbilly Elegy” by J.D. Vance. A fantastic read, and it helps you understand the mentality of the white working-class trump supporter (and culture clashes in general, I’d say).
Right now reading “Billy Martin: Baseball’s Flawed Genius” by Bill Pennington. For a baseball fan (which I am) this book is a treasure. Even if you’re not, it’s an excellent book about a flawed and genius and truly fascinating human being.
Just bought “I’ll Be Gone In The Dark” by Michelle McNamara. It’s about the hunt for the Golden State Killer (before they caught him). I like true crime stories, and critics liked it, so I’ll give it a read.
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