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I wouldn’t start picking stocks based on a post-convention bounce in the polls. Eight weeks is a very long time in politics. The race is just getting started.

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I wouldn’t start picking stocks based on a post-convention bounce in the polls. Eight weeks is a very long time in politics. The race is just getting started.

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seattle-relo,

I totally agree that a lot of the right-wing philosophies seem very unchristian. I’d ask the religious right people here how they reconcile the dichotomy you illustrate. Because I’m curious about that, too. But all I’d get would be anger and rhetoric and flaming and, in almost so many words, “We’re (I’m) better than you.” So why bother?

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seattle-relo,

I totally agree that a lot of the right-wing philosophies seem very unchristian. I’d ask the religious right people here how they reconcile the dichotomy you illustrate. Because I’m curious about that, too. But all I’d get would be anger and rhetoric and flaming and, in almost so many words, “We’re (I’m) better than you.” So why bother?

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seattle-relo,

I totally agree that a lot of the right-wing philosophies seem very unchristian. I’d ask the religious right people here how they reconcile the dichotomy you illustrate. Because I’m curious about that, too. But all I’d get would be anger and rhetoric and flaming and, in almost so many words, “We’re (I’m) better than you.” So why bother?

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seattle-relo,

I totally agree that a lot of the right-wing philosophies seem very unchristian. I’d ask the religious right people here how they reconcile the dichotomy you illustrate. Because I’m curious about that, too. But all I’d get would be anger and rhetoric and flaming and, in almost so many words, “We’re (I’m) better than you.” So why bother?

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seattle-relo,

I totally agree that a lot of the right-wing philosophies seem very unchristian. I’d ask the religious right people here how they reconcile the dichotomy you illustrate. Because I’m curious about that, too. But all I’d get would be anger and rhetoric and flaming and, in almost so many words, “We’re (I’m) better than you.” So why bother?

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[quote=hipmatt]Palin, Giuliany, Huckabee, Romney completely schooled the dems tonight. America will fall in love with Palin, her strength, intelligence, and values.

Only the most brainwashed, crazy libs would deny the success the republicans had tonight. Hopefully, tonight, the American people got to see what the media has been hiding from them so much. That Obama is all about his salesman pitch, and has no experience, little sacrifice, and contains no substance. Biden is even worse. Desperate Americans need to be educated about why big gov. will hurt this country. Well, tonight they got a clinic. Nice job Palin and co.![/quote]

It’s the ubiquitous partisanship of this kind that’s finally convinced me to generally stay out of these political discussions. People on the right calling people “brainwashed, crazy libs” and seeing things from such a limited perspective. And people on the left calling people on the right religious nuts and seeing things from such a limited perspective. Everybody’s convinced they’re right, but nobody really listens to anything that anyone from the other side says. People hear the rhetoric from their side and it makes them feel smarter and better than the other side. People hear what the other side has to say and decry it because that, too, makes them feel better and smarter than the other side. Meanwhile, the people in the middle who hold subtler views and perhaps are willing to talk and listen to both sides are drowned out by all the yelling. It’s really a sad commentary on the state of political discourse in our country today.

There are a few exceptions to this rule. But, by volume, the partisan yelling rules not only this forum, but the discussion in general.

Not to single you out, hipmatt; your partisanship is no worse than most of the people on this board. I responded to you because I have a question for you. If I remember correctly, you believe there’s probably no god (if I remember that incorrectly, disregard). So I’m curious why you like the republicans so much. You mention small government. But the republicans for the last 8 years have spent crazy amounts of money, more than democrats ever have. That’s not a rhetorical or a partisan question; I’m not pounding my chest and saying “democrats are better than republicans.” I’m asking because I’m actually curious what appeal the republicans hold for an atheist.

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[quote=hipmatt]Palin, Giuliany, Huckabee, Romney completely schooled the dems tonight. America will fall in love with Palin, her strength, intelligence, and values.

Only the most brainwashed, crazy libs would deny the success the republicans had tonight. Hopefully, tonight, the American people got to see what the media has been hiding from them so much. That Obama is all about his salesman pitch, and has no experience, little sacrifice, and contains no substance. Biden is even worse. Desperate Americans need to be educated about why big gov. will hurt this country. Well, tonight they got a clinic. Nice job Palin and co.![/quote]

It’s the ubiquitous partisanship of this kind that’s finally convinced me to generally stay out of these political discussions. People on the right calling people “brainwashed, crazy libs” and seeing things from such a limited perspective. And people on the left calling people on the right religious nuts and seeing things from such a limited perspective. Everybody’s convinced they’re right, but nobody really listens to anything that anyone from the other side says. People hear the rhetoric from their side and it makes them feel smarter and better than the other side. People hear what the other side has to say and decry it because that, too, makes them feel better and smarter than the other side. Meanwhile, the people in the middle who hold subtler views and perhaps are willing to talk and listen to both sides are drowned out by all the yelling. It’s really a sad commentary on the state of political discourse in our country today.

There are a few exceptions to this rule. But, by volume, the partisan yelling rules not only this forum, but the discussion in general.

Not to single you out, hipmatt; your partisanship is no worse than most of the people on this board. I responded to you because I have a question for you. If I remember correctly, you believe there’s probably no god (if I remember that incorrectly, disregard). So I’m curious why you like the republicans so much. You mention small government. But the republicans for the last 8 years have spent crazy amounts of money, more than democrats ever have. That’s not a rhetorical or a partisan question; I’m not pounding my chest and saying “democrats are better than republicans.” I’m asking because I’m actually curious what appeal the republicans hold for an atheist.

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[quote=hipmatt]Palin, Giuliany, Huckabee, Romney completely schooled the dems tonight. America will fall in love with Palin, her strength, intelligence, and values.

Only the most brainwashed, crazy libs would deny the success the republicans had tonight. Hopefully, tonight, the American people got to see what the media has been hiding from them so much. That Obama is all about his salesman pitch, and has no experience, little sacrifice, and contains no substance. Biden is even worse. Desperate Americans need to be educated about why big gov. will hurt this country. Well, tonight they got a clinic. Nice job Palin and co.![/quote]

It’s the ubiquitous partisanship of this kind that’s finally convinced me to generally stay out of these political discussions. People on the right calling people “brainwashed, crazy libs” and seeing things from such a limited perspective. And people on the left calling people on the right religious nuts and seeing things from such a limited perspective. Everybody’s convinced they’re right, but nobody really listens to anything that anyone from the other side says. People hear the rhetoric from their side and it makes them feel smarter and better than the other side. People hear what the other side has to say and decry it because that, too, makes them feel better and smarter than the other side. Meanwhile, the people in the middle who hold subtler views and perhaps are willing to talk and listen to both sides are drowned out by all the yelling. It’s really a sad commentary on the state of political discourse in our country today.

There are a few exceptions to this rule. But, by volume, the partisan yelling rules not only this forum, but the discussion in general.

Not to single you out, hipmatt; your partisanship is no worse than most of the people on this board. I responded to you because I have a question for you. If I remember correctly, you believe there’s probably no god (if I remember that incorrectly, disregard). So I’m curious why you like the republicans so much. You mention small government. But the republicans for the last 8 years have spent crazy amounts of money, more than democrats ever have. That’s not a rhetorical or a partisan question; I’m not pounding my chest and saying “democrats are better than republicans.” I’m asking because I’m actually curious what appeal the republicans hold for an atheist.

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[quote=hipmatt]Palin, Giuliany, Huckabee, Romney completely schooled the dems tonight. America will fall in love with Palin, her strength, intelligence, and values.

Only the most brainwashed, crazy libs would deny the success the republicans had tonight. Hopefully, tonight, the American people got to see what the media has been hiding from them so much. That Obama is all about his salesman pitch, and has no experience, little sacrifice, and contains no substance. Biden is even worse. Desperate Americans need to be educated about why big gov. will hurt this country. Well, tonight they got a clinic. Nice job Palin and co.![/quote]

It’s the ubiquitous partisanship of this kind that’s finally convinced me to generally stay out of these political discussions. People on the right calling people “brainwashed, crazy libs” and seeing things from such a limited perspective. And people on the left calling people on the right religious nuts and seeing things from such a limited perspective. Everybody’s convinced they’re right, but nobody really listens to anything that anyone from the other side says. People hear the rhetoric from their side and it makes them feel smarter and better than the other side. People hear what the other side has to say and decry it because that, too, makes them feel better and smarter than the other side. Meanwhile, the people in the middle who hold subtler views and perhaps are willing to talk and listen to both sides are drowned out by all the yelling. It’s really a sad commentary on the state of political discourse in our country today.

There are a few exceptions to this rule. But, by volume, the partisan yelling rules not only this forum, but the discussion in general.

Not to single you out, hipmatt; your partisanship is no worse than most of the people on this board. I responded to you because I have a question for you. If I remember correctly, you believe there’s probably no god (if I remember that incorrectly, disregard). So I’m curious why you like the republicans so much. You mention small government. But the republicans for the last 8 years have spent crazy amounts of money, more than democrats ever have. That’s not a rhetorical or a partisan question; I’m not pounding my chest and saying “democrats are better than republicans.” I’m asking because I’m actually curious what appeal the republicans hold for an atheist.

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[quote=hipmatt]Palin, Giuliany, Huckabee, Romney completely schooled the dems tonight. America will fall in love with Palin, her strength, intelligence, and values.

Only the most brainwashed, crazy libs would deny the success the republicans had tonight. Hopefully, tonight, the American people got to see what the media has been hiding from them so much. That Obama is all about his salesman pitch, and has no experience, little sacrifice, and contains no substance. Biden is even worse. Desperate Americans need to be educated about why big gov. will hurt this country. Well, tonight they got a clinic. Nice job Palin and co.![/quote]

It’s the ubiquitous partisanship of this kind that’s finally convinced me to generally stay out of these political discussions. People on the right calling people “brainwashed, crazy libs” and seeing things from such a limited perspective. And people on the left calling people on the right religious nuts and seeing things from such a limited perspective. Everybody’s convinced they’re right, but nobody really listens to anything that anyone from the other side says. People hear the rhetoric from their side and it makes them feel smarter and better than the other side. People hear what the other side has to say and decry it because that, too, makes them feel better and smarter than the other side. Meanwhile, the people in the middle who hold subtler views and perhaps are willing to talk and listen to both sides are drowned out by all the yelling. It’s really a sad commentary on the state of political discourse in our country today.

There are a few exceptions to this rule. But, by volume, the partisan yelling rules not only this forum, but the discussion in general.

Not to single you out, hipmatt; your partisanship is no worse than most of the people on this board. I responded to you because I have a question for you. If I remember correctly, you believe there’s probably no god (if I remember that incorrectly, disregard). So I’m curious why you like the republicans so much. You mention small government. But the republicans for the last 8 years have spent crazy amounts of money, more than democrats ever have. That’s not a rhetorical or a partisan question; I’m not pounding my chest and saying “democrats are better than republicans.” I’m asking because I’m actually curious what appeal the republicans hold for an atheist.

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[quote=sdnativeson]ZK, your point is moot. It comes down to original or, attempting original thought. So, in your world everything is “true”, “valid”, “proven” upon conception and/or initiation?

Looks like Utopia has an internet connection.
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What makes you say that in my world “everything is “true”, “valid”, “proven” upon conception and/or initiation?” I haven’t written anything that would indicate that I think that. I’d be interested to hear how you came up with that.

I’m not saying, “just because people think it’s wrong, it’s wrong.” (BTW, the reason I think it’s wrong because the science behind it isn’t really science; it’s just wishful thinking.) What I’m saying is that equating the concept of irreducible complexity with Einstein’s ideas just because both of them were thought to be wrong doesn’t add any credence to the idea of irreducible complexity. Why would it?

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[quote=sdnativeson]ZK, your point is moot. It comes down to original or, attempting original thought. So, in your world everything is “true”, “valid”, “proven” upon conception and/or initiation?

Looks like Utopia has an internet connection.
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What makes you say that in my world “everything is “true”, “valid”, “proven” upon conception and/or initiation?” I haven’t written anything that would indicate that I think that. I’d be interested to hear how you came up with that.

I’m not saying, “just because people think it’s wrong, it’s wrong.” (BTW, the reason I think it’s wrong because the science behind it isn’t really science; it’s just wishful thinking.) What I’m saying is that equating the concept of irreducible complexity with Einstein’s ideas just because both of them were thought to be wrong doesn’t add any credence to the idea of irreducible complexity. Why would it?

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[quote=sdnativeson]ZK, your point is moot. It comes down to original or, attempting original thought. So, in your world everything is “true”, “valid”, “proven” upon conception and/or initiation?

Looks like Utopia has an internet connection.
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What makes you say that in my world “everything is “true”, “valid”, “proven” upon conception and/or initiation?” I haven’t written anything that would indicate that I think that. I’d be interested to hear how you came up with that.

I’m not saying, “just because people think it’s wrong, it’s wrong.” (BTW, the reason I think it’s wrong because the science behind it isn’t really science; it’s just wishful thinking.) What I’m saying is that equating the concept of irreducible complexity with Einstein’s ideas just because both of them were thought to be wrong doesn’t add any credence to the idea of irreducible complexity. Why would it?

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