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Participant[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]Zk: No, I wasn’t comparing the Left to the Right at all. I was responding to LilBigGubment’s (ILoveRegulation) vitriolic spew directed at the “idiotbertarian” brigade of “morons” and their/our supposed “fear of facts”.
Coming from someone that believes that: (1) Chernobyl killed millions of people and (2) that deadly radiation is heading our way (look out!) and who attempts to shout down the opposition (telling FLU to STFU), well, it just pissed me off and I fired back.
And, I’m no shill for the Right, either. I’m a conservative and there is a huge friggin’ difference. Which means I find Limbaugh and Palin equally as irritating as I find Maddow and Pelosi. To say that I cannot stand Leftists is not an automatic endorsement of the Right. Like I tell my kids: I’m not a racist, I’m a bigot. I hate everybody equally.
This person, like other dyed-in-the-wool Leftists on this board (i.e. IForget, TheBreeze, BigGovernmentIsGood, etc) is unable to debate using the facts and resorts to childish and petty ad hominem when confronted. It gets tiresome after a while.[/quote]
That all makes sense. You’ve also got several dyed-in-the-wool rightists who are unable to debate using facts and resort to childish and petty ad hominem when confronted.
Perhaps on this type of forum, where the average joe is involved, the anger and stupidity is equal on both ends of the spectrum. Maybe my perception is skewed because the right-wing noise machine that you see every day in the media is wild with anger, far more so than what the left comes up with. It works, though. Obama was vilified far in excess of the mistakes he made almost immediately upon taking office. You see so much hatred and anger out there towards him that wouldn’t exist without that noise machine. That machine is not only angry, it is purposely deceitful. It’s why republicans keep winning despite their awful record recently.
Participant[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
Why are you Leftists so angry all of the time? Why do facts scare you so much?[/quote]
Leftists are angry and scared by facts? Compared to those on the right (who else would you be comparing them to)? I don’t want to start a slap fight, and I usually respect what you’re saying, Alan, but please tell me you’re kidding. Listen to those on the right and you hear constant, visceral anger. Both extremes have trouble with facts (although I’d give the right the edge for being afraid of facts). But when it comes to anger, the right wins by an enormous margin.
Participant[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
Why are you Leftists so angry all of the time? Why do facts scare you so much?[/quote]
Leftists are angry and scared by facts? Compared to those on the right (who else would you be comparing them to)? I don’t want to start a slap fight, and I usually respect what you’re saying, Alan, but please tell me you’re kidding. Listen to those on the right and you hear constant, visceral anger. Both extremes have trouble with facts (although I’d give the right the edge for being afraid of facts). But when it comes to anger, the right wins by an enormous margin.
Participant[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
Why are you Leftists so angry all of the time? Why do facts scare you so much?[/quote]
Leftists are angry and scared by facts? Compared to those on the right (who else would you be comparing them to)? I don’t want to start a slap fight, and I usually respect what you’re saying, Alan, but please tell me you’re kidding. Listen to those on the right and you hear constant, visceral anger. Both extremes have trouble with facts (although I’d give the right the edge for being afraid of facts). But when it comes to anger, the right wins by an enormous margin.
Participant[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
Why are you Leftists so angry all of the time? Why do facts scare you so much?[/quote]
Leftists are angry and scared by facts? Compared to those on the right (who else would you be comparing them to)? I don’t want to start a slap fight, and I usually respect what you’re saying, Alan, but please tell me you’re kidding. Listen to those on the right and you hear constant, visceral anger. Both extremes have trouble with facts (although I’d give the right the edge for being afraid of facts). But when it comes to anger, the right wins by an enormous margin.
Participant[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
Why are you Leftists so angry all of the time? Why do facts scare you so much?[/quote]
Leftists are angry and scared by facts? Compared to those on the right (who else would you be comparing them to)? I don’t want to start a slap fight, and I usually respect what you’re saying, Alan, but please tell me you’re kidding. Listen to those on the right and you hear constant, visceral anger. Both extremes have trouble with facts (although I’d give the right the edge for being afraid of facts). But when it comes to anger, the right wins by an enormous margin.
Participant[quote=UCGal][quote=flu]
I can’t understand why some of you are worrying about something at the time when folks at ground zero in japan are suffering massively… I mean, if at all it just proves the only one you think about is yourself.me me me me me me me. Oh my, what’s going to happen to me when the dust blows westward across the pacific and ends up on the west coast. Never mind there’s Hawaii in between, or there’s the rest of the world that’s up do do… Me me me me me….
[/quote]I have to agree with this.
The folks who’s homes were destroyed by the earthquake and tsunami – who are in shelters near the TEPCO facility have something to bitch about… We don’t, here in comfy California.I’ve heard (ironically, on NPR) that they are having issues getting food into the people of the region because the roads are shut down… because of the power plant. In other words – folks are in shelters, having lost EVERYTHING, and there’s not enough food for them.
The entire world is focused on the nuclear plant – and we’ve pretty much forgotten, in very short order, that 10’s of thousands either died or lost their homes. It makes Katrina look mild.
We need to get over ourselves.[/quote]
Not sure I agree with all this. I agree that our lives are much better by traditional standards right this minute than the people seriously affected by the quake/tsunami/radiation. And of course those who lost their loved ones will never be the same. But our lives are also much better by traditional standards than the daily lives millions of Hatians, Africans, some middle easterners, lots of rural Chinese, plenty of South Americans, etc. And thousands of them die every day from hunger, cholera, malaria, etc. Can you really spend all of your days worrying about them? Shouldn’t you, at some point, say, “I’m going to give x amount of time, effort, and money to help those people. But, after that, I’ve got my life to live. I’ve got my problems to deal with. I’ve got my own family to help. Worrying about the people less fortunate than us won’t help them, and I’ve done what I feel is my part, and now I’m going to pay attention to my life.”
If you are really concerned that the radiation from Japan will hurt you, then perhaps you’re not very good at judging what’s dangerous. But I don’t think it makes you self-centered. I don’t think that, just because other people are much worse off than you that you should stop trying to protect yourself and your family from whatever it is that you think is threatening you.
Sure, a lot of people have forgotten that thousands died in Japan. But thousands die every day from things no less dangerous and tragic than a tsunami. In fact, every single week more people die of malaria than died in the Japan quake/tsunami/radiation disaster. How many people even realize that fact, let alone pay a lot of attention to it?
Of course, if by your posts you mean that we need to keep our mostly trivial problems in perspective, then I heartily agree. Many people in Afghanistan, for instance, probably consider our daily lives some kind of paradise. And I agree that we need to keep that perspective and understand how good we have it. But to diminish what we have by worrying about others is to not take full advantage of what we have. (Again, doing something is not the same as worrying.) And, as far as I can tell, there’s no reason for that.
Participant[quote=UCGal][quote=flu]
I can’t understand why some of you are worrying about something at the time when folks at ground zero in japan are suffering massively… I mean, if at all it just proves the only one you think about is yourself.me me me me me me me. Oh my, what’s going to happen to me when the dust blows westward across the pacific and ends up on the west coast. Never mind there’s Hawaii in between, or there’s the rest of the world that’s up do do… Me me me me me….
[/quote]I have to agree with this.
The folks who’s homes were destroyed by the earthquake and tsunami – who are in shelters near the TEPCO facility have something to bitch about… We don’t, here in comfy California.I’ve heard (ironically, on NPR) that they are having issues getting food into the people of the region because the roads are shut down… because of the power plant. In other words – folks are in shelters, having lost EVERYTHING, and there’s not enough food for them.
The entire world is focused on the nuclear plant – and we’ve pretty much forgotten, in very short order, that 10’s of thousands either died or lost their homes. It makes Katrina look mild.
We need to get over ourselves.[/quote]
Not sure I agree with all this. I agree that our lives are much better by traditional standards right this minute than the people seriously affected by the quake/tsunami/radiation. And of course those who lost their loved ones will never be the same. But our lives are also much better by traditional standards than the daily lives millions of Hatians, Africans, some middle easterners, lots of rural Chinese, plenty of South Americans, etc. And thousands of them die every day from hunger, cholera, malaria, etc. Can you really spend all of your days worrying about them? Shouldn’t you, at some point, say, “I’m going to give x amount of time, effort, and money to help those people. But, after that, I’ve got my life to live. I’ve got my problems to deal with. I’ve got my own family to help. Worrying about the people less fortunate than us won’t help them, and I’ve done what I feel is my part, and now I’m going to pay attention to my life.”
If you are really concerned that the radiation from Japan will hurt you, then perhaps you’re not very good at judging what’s dangerous. But I don’t think it makes you self-centered. I don’t think that, just because other people are much worse off than you that you should stop trying to protect yourself and your family from whatever it is that you think is threatening you.
Sure, a lot of people have forgotten that thousands died in Japan. But thousands die every day from things no less dangerous and tragic than a tsunami. In fact, every single week more people die of malaria than died in the Japan quake/tsunami/radiation disaster. How many people even realize that fact, let alone pay a lot of attention to it?
Of course, if by your posts you mean that we need to keep our mostly trivial problems in perspective, then I heartily agree. Many people in Afghanistan, for instance, probably consider our daily lives some kind of paradise. And I agree that we need to keep that perspective and understand how good we have it. But to diminish what we have by worrying about others is to not take full advantage of what we have. (Again, doing something is not the same as worrying.) And, as far as I can tell, there’s no reason for that.
Participant[quote=UCGal][quote=flu]
I can’t understand why some of you are worrying about something at the time when folks at ground zero in japan are suffering massively… I mean, if at all it just proves the only one you think about is yourself.me me me me me me me. Oh my, what’s going to happen to me when the dust blows westward across the pacific and ends up on the west coast. Never mind there’s Hawaii in between, or there’s the rest of the world that’s up do do… Me me me me me….
[/quote]I have to agree with this.
The folks who’s homes were destroyed by the earthquake and tsunami – who are in shelters near the TEPCO facility have something to bitch about… We don’t, here in comfy California.I’ve heard (ironically, on NPR) that they are having issues getting food into the people of the region because the roads are shut down… because of the power plant. In other words – folks are in shelters, having lost EVERYTHING, and there’s not enough food for them.
The entire world is focused on the nuclear plant – and we’ve pretty much forgotten, in very short order, that 10’s of thousands either died or lost their homes. It makes Katrina look mild.
We need to get over ourselves.[/quote]
Not sure I agree with all this. I agree that our lives are much better by traditional standards right this minute than the people seriously affected by the quake/tsunami/radiation. And of course those who lost their loved ones will never be the same. But our lives are also much better by traditional standards than the daily lives millions of Hatians, Africans, some middle easterners, lots of rural Chinese, plenty of South Americans, etc. And thousands of them die every day from hunger, cholera, malaria, etc. Can you really spend all of your days worrying about them? Shouldn’t you, at some point, say, “I’m going to give x amount of time, effort, and money to help those people. But, after that, I’ve got my life to live. I’ve got my problems to deal with. I’ve got my own family to help. Worrying about the people less fortunate than us won’t help them, and I’ve done what I feel is my part, and now I’m going to pay attention to my life.”
If you are really concerned that the radiation from Japan will hurt you, then perhaps you’re not very good at judging what’s dangerous. But I don’t think it makes you self-centered. I don’t think that, just because other people are much worse off than you that you should stop trying to protect yourself and your family from whatever it is that you think is threatening you.
Sure, a lot of people have forgotten that thousands died in Japan. But thousands die every day from things no less dangerous and tragic than a tsunami. In fact, every single week more people die of malaria than died in the Japan quake/tsunami/radiation disaster. How many people even realize that fact, let alone pay a lot of attention to it?
Of course, if by your posts you mean that we need to keep our mostly trivial problems in perspective, then I heartily agree. Many people in Afghanistan, for instance, probably consider our daily lives some kind of paradise. And I agree that we need to keep that perspective and understand how good we have it. But to diminish what we have by worrying about others is to not take full advantage of what we have. (Again, doing something is not the same as worrying.) And, as far as I can tell, there’s no reason for that.
Participant[quote=UCGal][quote=flu]
I can’t understand why some of you are worrying about something at the time when folks at ground zero in japan are suffering massively… I mean, if at all it just proves the only one you think about is yourself.me me me me me me me. Oh my, what’s going to happen to me when the dust blows westward across the pacific and ends up on the west coast. Never mind there’s Hawaii in between, or there’s the rest of the world that’s up do do… Me me me me me….
[/quote]I have to agree with this.
The folks who’s homes were destroyed by the earthquake and tsunami – who are in shelters near the TEPCO facility have something to bitch about… We don’t, here in comfy California.I’ve heard (ironically, on NPR) that they are having issues getting food into the people of the region because the roads are shut down… because of the power plant. In other words – folks are in shelters, having lost EVERYTHING, and there’s not enough food for them.
The entire world is focused on the nuclear plant – and we’ve pretty much forgotten, in very short order, that 10’s of thousands either died or lost their homes. It makes Katrina look mild.
We need to get over ourselves.[/quote]
Not sure I agree with all this. I agree that our lives are much better by traditional standards right this minute than the people seriously affected by the quake/tsunami/radiation. And of course those who lost their loved ones will never be the same. But our lives are also much better by traditional standards than the daily lives millions of Hatians, Africans, some middle easterners, lots of rural Chinese, plenty of South Americans, etc. And thousands of them die every day from hunger, cholera, malaria, etc. Can you really spend all of your days worrying about them? Shouldn’t you, at some point, say, “I’m going to give x amount of time, effort, and money to help those people. But, after that, I’ve got my life to live. I’ve got my problems to deal with. I’ve got my own family to help. Worrying about the people less fortunate than us won’t help them, and I’ve done what I feel is my part, and now I’m going to pay attention to my life.”
If you are really concerned that the radiation from Japan will hurt you, then perhaps you’re not very good at judging what’s dangerous. But I don’t think it makes you self-centered. I don’t think that, just because other people are much worse off than you that you should stop trying to protect yourself and your family from whatever it is that you think is threatening you.
Sure, a lot of people have forgotten that thousands died in Japan. But thousands die every day from things no less dangerous and tragic than a tsunami. In fact, every single week more people die of malaria than died in the Japan quake/tsunami/radiation disaster. How many people even realize that fact, let alone pay a lot of attention to it?
Of course, if by your posts you mean that we need to keep our mostly trivial problems in perspective, then I heartily agree. Many people in Afghanistan, for instance, probably consider our daily lives some kind of paradise. And I agree that we need to keep that perspective and understand how good we have it. But to diminish what we have by worrying about others is to not take full advantage of what we have. (Again, doing something is not the same as worrying.) And, as far as I can tell, there’s no reason for that.
Participant[quote=UCGal][quote=flu]
I can’t understand why some of you are worrying about something at the time when folks at ground zero in japan are suffering massively… I mean, if at all it just proves the only one you think about is yourself.me me me me me me me. Oh my, what’s going to happen to me when the dust blows westward across the pacific and ends up on the west coast. Never mind there’s Hawaii in between, or there’s the rest of the world that’s up do do… Me me me me me….
[/quote]I have to agree with this.
The folks who’s homes were destroyed by the earthquake and tsunami – who are in shelters near the TEPCO facility have something to bitch about… We don’t, here in comfy California.I’ve heard (ironically, on NPR) that they are having issues getting food into the people of the region because the roads are shut down… because of the power plant. In other words – folks are in shelters, having lost EVERYTHING, and there’s not enough food for them.
The entire world is focused on the nuclear plant – and we’ve pretty much forgotten, in very short order, that 10’s of thousands either died or lost their homes. It makes Katrina look mild.
We need to get over ourselves.[/quote]
Not sure I agree with all this. I agree that our lives are much better by traditional standards right this minute than the people seriously affected by the quake/tsunami/radiation. And of course those who lost their loved ones will never be the same. But our lives are also much better by traditional standards than the daily lives millions of Hatians, Africans, some middle easterners, lots of rural Chinese, plenty of South Americans, etc. And thousands of them die every day from hunger, cholera, malaria, etc. Can you really spend all of your days worrying about them? Shouldn’t you, at some point, say, “I’m going to give x amount of time, effort, and money to help those people. But, after that, I’ve got my life to live. I’ve got my problems to deal with. I’ve got my own family to help. Worrying about the people less fortunate than us won’t help them, and I’ve done what I feel is my part, and now I’m going to pay attention to my life.”
If you are really concerned that the radiation from Japan will hurt you, then perhaps you’re not very good at judging what’s dangerous. But I don’t think it makes you self-centered. I don’t think that, just because other people are much worse off than you that you should stop trying to protect yourself and your family from whatever it is that you think is threatening you.
Sure, a lot of people have forgotten that thousands died in Japan. But thousands die every day from things no less dangerous and tragic than a tsunami. In fact, every single week more people die of malaria than died in the Japan quake/tsunami/radiation disaster. How many people even realize that fact, let alone pay a lot of attention to it?
Of course, if by your posts you mean that we need to keep our mostly trivial problems in perspective, then I heartily agree. Many people in Afghanistan, for instance, probably consider our daily lives some kind of paradise. And I agree that we need to keep that perspective and understand how good we have it. But to diminish what we have by worrying about others is to not take full advantage of what we have. (Again, doing something is not the same as worrying.) And, as far as I can tell, there’s no reason for that.
Participant[quote=CA renter]Anyone here considered “taking a vacation” back east as a result of the nuclear problems?[/quote]
If you fly, you’ll get more extra radiation from being at altitude for 8 hours (round trip) than you would from staying here on the west coast.
Participant[quote=CA renter]Anyone here considered “taking a vacation” back east as a result of the nuclear problems?[/quote]
If you fly, you’ll get more extra radiation from being at altitude for 8 hours (round trip) than you would from staying here on the west coast.
Participant[quote=CA renter]Anyone here considered “taking a vacation” back east as a result of the nuclear problems?[/quote]
If you fly, you’ll get more extra radiation from being at altitude for 8 hours (round trip) than you would from staying here on the west coast.
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