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Allan,

That is exactly what I was trying to say to Brian. Hungry, jobless, hopeless people will begin to take what they need or feel they need under a perfect storm set of circumstances. It does not have to be the scary right wingers and if I were Brian I would stay out of the way of some of the flash mobs because I do not think his political belief system will save him from the mob. Demonizing the right might make him feel safe and smug, but it is just his inability to see the big picture.

SK and Econ. Thanks for the econ. review. You all make my head hurt in a good way. I think you are both brilliant, but the voters will not care. They will vote based on perception, and if they think they need a strong man to get them through these times, then that is what they will look for. Whoever creates the image that they will be better off than they are now will probably get their vote. It really does not boil down to who started the big pump priming give away and I know there is a poll out that still has a high margin blaming Bush for our woes. (Mix up woes and you get owes). Anyway, for voters whether it is chickens in the pot or a flat screen they will go with the guy (not sure about the gal) that “creates” the impression they will be better, safer, etc.

If Obama cannot undue his weak leader and lack of ability to turn around the economy image, he will be done. His brilliant oratory, his Harvard law school, his good looking suits, and his nice looking family notwithstanding; people want to feel better and to be in a better position than they are now. For those in the highest tax categories, most of them will be able to evade paying as much as the middle class does. So I am expecting one of the candidates to propose some serious tax reform. Not sure who, but I am expecting it.

Not that I want this interesting thread to end, but I have to say the H. word. Hitler made a lot of promises to Germany and the perception by the people that he was going to make them a strong country and the fact that he delivered on those promises helped get him elected. I am not saying Obama has anything to do with Hitler. What I am saying is he made a lot of promises and he has not delivered, blaming Bush (whether true or not), the weather and tsunamis in Japan, still does not take the onus from him. He is the bus driver at this time and he will be blamed if the economy continues to deteriorate. Not anything political, it is similar to what happened to Hoover and Carter. Bottom line most voters are not that well informed of underlying issues or facts, they vote with their feelings not with logic.

One more thing to Brian, you need to give up using
Alinsky’s rule about the right: “Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions.” You need some new material.

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I do not think it is just the right that is angry. There are a lot of disenfranchised people out there because of high unemployment and no hope. These people will be exploited under certain circumstances such as the London riots and then we will have problems in some of our major cities. It will not take much to set them off either. I do not see the angry right as becoming a mob, Brian. It is the people that have nothing to lose that you should fear. Not the ones with jobs.

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A flower is an educated weed.”…Luther Burbank

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Probably not going to be good for Wall Street. I did not want to start a new thread, so I am putting it here with the banking thread:

Civil War on Street- “Finally, after trillions in fraudulent activity, trillions in bailouts, trillions in printed money, billions in political bribing and billions in bonuses, the criminal cartel members on Wall Street are beginning to get what they deserve.”

http://ampedstatus.org/full-blown-civil-war-erupts-on-wall-street-as-reality-finally-hits-the-financial-elite-they-start-turning-on-each-other/

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Sometimes just providing them the support and believing in them is all it takes. It certainly means everything to a child when they know you are proud of them. We definitely need great doctors and you helped her succeed by being there.

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Allan,

Does huffing cordite kill brain cells or is that brian cells?

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Awesome post Allan. I do still believe we are the shining city on the hill and I believe in our exceptionalism even though Stalin may have coined that term. Huge congrats to you SK in CV for raising a brilliant daughter with great character. Kids do not raise themselves.

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TG,

Not sure about the gold reserves either. What they say is gold and what is really gold concerns me as in all that glitters is not gold. Otherwise, I really enjoyed your take on Roubini. Well done.

Brian,

What in the world is a “new worldly foreign student”? How much wine did you drink while reading this thread? You always act like you know what a real American says, thinks or wants, so why don’t you go ahead and define real American for us, so we do not have to guess. I am kind of tired of your pseudo cosmopolitan persona.

As an American, unknown if I am real or unreal, I welcome skilled immigrants and if they take the best jobs, I have to believe they were the most qualified for the job. It they live here and make money here and spend it here, it only enriches this country. This is a country of immigrants and even the natives had to arrive here from somewhere else long ago. I do not think that real Americans are as full of class envy and xenophobia as you think. Perhaps you are projecting your own feelings on them, then attributing them to real
Americans.

End of rant.

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We are royally screwed now, so how would we know the difference?

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Interesting point of view. We shall see…
“That’s why I believe Sarah Palin isn’t running, and why she will ultimately endorse Rick Perry. And if her bet pays off and Perry becomes president, don’t be surprised if the next Secretary of Energy is a certain former Alaska governor who has an aggressive agenda to open up America’s energy resources.”

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/fund-sarah-palin-/2011/09/02/id/409556

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“Americans’ opinion of Obamacare has reached an all-time post-passage low according to the Kaiser Health Tracking poll: only 39% of those surveyed have a favorable view of the law, two points below the previous nadir of 41% first set in May 2010. Forty-four percent of Americans have an unfavorable view.”
http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/poll-obamacare-support-all-time-low

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“Americans’ opinion of Obamacare has reached an all-time post-passage low according to the Kaiser Health Tracking poll: only 39% of those surveyed have a favorable view of the law, two points below the previous nadir of 41% first set in May 2010. Forty-four percent of Americans have an unfavorable view.”
http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/poll-obamacare-support-all-time-low

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“Americans’ opinion of Obamacare has reached an all-time post-passage low according to the Kaiser Health Tracking poll: only 39% of those surveyed have a favorable view of the law, two points below the previous nadir of 41% first set in May 2010. Forty-four percent of Americans have an unfavorable view.”
http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/poll-obamacare-support-all-time-low

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“Americans’ opinion of Obamacare has reached an all-time post-passage low according to the Kaiser Health Tracking poll: only 39% of those surveyed have a favorable view of the law, two points below the previous nadir of 41% first set in May 2010. Forty-four percent of Americans have an unfavorable view.”
http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/poll-obamacare-support-all-time-low

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“Americans’ opinion of Obamacare has reached an all-time post-passage low according to the Kaiser Health Tracking poll: only 39% of those surveyed have a favorable view of the law, two points below the previous nadir of 41% first set in May 2010. Forty-four percent of Americans have an unfavorable view.”
http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/poll-obamacare-support-all-time-low

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