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November 16, 2008 at 10:34 PM in reply to: Have you ever been employed by a poor person or a liberal? #306072November 16, 2008 at 10:34 PM in reply to: Have you ever been employed by a poor person or a liberal? #306133
urbanrealtor
ParticipantSince I like your threadjack more than the original topic, and since I appear to have alienated Allan, I will throw out a few names of stuff I like (I am soliciting suggestions here).
Continuing bands:
-Operation Ivy
-Nine Inch Nails
-The Doors
-The Rolling Stones
-The Carter Family (only band to ever send someone to the Whitehouse)
-Ministry
-Aquabats (i am kind of ashamed of this)
-Guns N Roses
-The Cramps
-Misfits
-Pogues
-Desmond Dekker
-Skatalites
-Flogging Molly
-White Zombie
-Creedence Clarewater Revival
-VNV Nation
-Happy Mondays
-Pennywise
-L7
-The Cult
-Johnny Cash
-Elvis Presley
-Molotov
-Manu Chao/Mano Negra
-The Pixies
-Concrete Blonde
-Social DistortionRotating Lineups:
-Revolting Cocks
-Traveling Wilburys
-Pigface
-Bran Van 3000Satire:
Richard Cheese
Weird Al
Me too and the Gimee Gimmees
The Blanks (often featured on Scrubs)urbanrealtor
ParticipantWhile I stand in the minority on this, I really try not to cast too much judgment in the direction of poor decisions. Many people who bought during the boom were afraid of being priced out permanently. Many of the people who refi’d were excited about their newfound wealth. Bear in mind credit ratings agencies gave dirt-backed security a treasury-equivalent rating.
The minority of opinion during the boom thought things were really far too overpriced. Those believers fell into 2 camps: those who had data to support that opinion (eg: the proprietor of this blog) and those who did not (those who were contrarians or “just felt it”). Most people were not this smart or contrary. Many experts supported the durability of the high prices.
While the medium term error of high prices is clear, it is unfair to hold too much against people who erred (imho).
urbanrealtor
ParticipantWhile I stand in the minority on this, I really try not to cast too much judgment in the direction of poor decisions. Many people who bought during the boom were afraid of being priced out permanently. Many of the people who refi’d were excited about their newfound wealth. Bear in mind credit ratings agencies gave dirt-backed security a treasury-equivalent rating.
The minority of opinion during the boom thought things were really far too overpriced. Those believers fell into 2 camps: those who had data to support that opinion (eg: the proprietor of this blog) and those who did not (those who were contrarians or “just felt it”). Most people were not this smart or contrary. Many experts supported the durability of the high prices.
While the medium term error of high prices is clear, it is unfair to hold too much against people who erred (imho).
urbanrealtor
ParticipantWhile I stand in the minority on this, I really try not to cast too much judgment in the direction of poor decisions. Many people who bought during the boom were afraid of being priced out permanently. Many of the people who refi’d were excited about their newfound wealth. Bear in mind credit ratings agencies gave dirt-backed security a treasury-equivalent rating.
The minority of opinion during the boom thought things were really far too overpriced. Those believers fell into 2 camps: those who had data to support that opinion (eg: the proprietor of this blog) and those who did not (those who were contrarians or “just felt it”). Most people were not this smart or contrary. Many experts supported the durability of the high prices.
While the medium term error of high prices is clear, it is unfair to hold too much against people who erred (imho).
urbanrealtor
ParticipantWhile I stand in the minority on this, I really try not to cast too much judgment in the direction of poor decisions. Many people who bought during the boom were afraid of being priced out permanently. Many of the people who refi’d were excited about their newfound wealth. Bear in mind credit ratings agencies gave dirt-backed security a treasury-equivalent rating.
The minority of opinion during the boom thought things were really far too overpriced. Those believers fell into 2 camps: those who had data to support that opinion (eg: the proprietor of this blog) and those who did not (those who were contrarians or “just felt it”). Most people were not this smart or contrary. Many experts supported the durability of the high prices.
While the medium term error of high prices is clear, it is unfair to hold too much against people who erred (imho).
urbanrealtor
ParticipantWhile I stand in the minority on this, I really try not to cast too much judgment in the direction of poor decisions. Many people who bought during the boom were afraid of being priced out permanently. Many of the people who refi’d were excited about their newfound wealth. Bear in mind credit ratings agencies gave dirt-backed security a treasury-equivalent rating.
The minority of opinion during the boom thought things were really far too overpriced. Those believers fell into 2 camps: those who had data to support that opinion (eg: the proprietor of this blog) and those who did not (those who were contrarians or “just felt it”). Most people were not this smart or contrary. Many experts supported the durability of the high prices.
While the medium term error of high prices is clear, it is unfair to hold too much against people who erred (imho).
November 15, 2008 at 11:53 PM in reply to: Have you ever been employed by a poor person or a liberal? #305355urbanrealtor
ParticipantAllan:
While I don’t mean it with the tone presented by larry, I do think that your comment about Cuba and Castro is ignorant (though not entirely inaccurate). I don’t like Castro. However, he does not foster a cult of personality or have roving goon squads. People in Cuba will speak quite plainly (and uniformly) about the mechanisms for power reinforcement in the regime. Part of the reason that he is not as hated as he otherwise might be is that he (and his coalition) seldom build statues to themselves or appear in public. They also play heavily on the cultural credit they have earned by standing up to the bully to the north.
They play to nationalism and generally only confront direct criticism.Putting that differently, they use a model of oppression and order that is very similar to that of China.
While your description accurately describes both countries, it is facile and dismissive (and therefore limited). I would encourage you to visit there and see what you think. You’re a generally thoughtful and reasonable in your posts. The only time I found your thinking limited is with regards to our former enemies. I am honestly really curious as to what a person (dare I say, “intellectual”) who clearly internalizes national and combat related views regarding national character would think upon directly experiencing the object of his contempt. I mean that.
Also, please don’t compare my posts with gandalf. Thats just mean.
November 15, 2008 at 11:53 PM in reply to: Have you ever been employed by a poor person or a liberal? #305723urbanrealtor
ParticipantAllan:
While I don’t mean it with the tone presented by larry, I do think that your comment about Cuba and Castro is ignorant (though not entirely inaccurate). I don’t like Castro. However, he does not foster a cult of personality or have roving goon squads. People in Cuba will speak quite plainly (and uniformly) about the mechanisms for power reinforcement in the regime. Part of the reason that he is not as hated as he otherwise might be is that he (and his coalition) seldom build statues to themselves or appear in public. They also play heavily on the cultural credit they have earned by standing up to the bully to the north.
They play to nationalism and generally only confront direct criticism.Putting that differently, they use a model of oppression and order that is very similar to that of China.
While your description accurately describes both countries, it is facile and dismissive (and therefore limited). I would encourage you to visit there and see what you think. You’re a generally thoughtful and reasonable in your posts. The only time I found your thinking limited is with regards to our former enemies. I am honestly really curious as to what a person (dare I say, “intellectual”) who clearly internalizes national and combat related views regarding national character would think upon directly experiencing the object of his contempt. I mean that.
Also, please don’t compare my posts with gandalf. Thats just mean.
November 15, 2008 at 11:53 PM in reply to: Have you ever been employed by a poor person or a liberal? #305735urbanrealtor
ParticipantAllan:
While I don’t mean it with the tone presented by larry, I do think that your comment about Cuba and Castro is ignorant (though not entirely inaccurate). I don’t like Castro. However, he does not foster a cult of personality or have roving goon squads. People in Cuba will speak quite plainly (and uniformly) about the mechanisms for power reinforcement in the regime. Part of the reason that he is not as hated as he otherwise might be is that he (and his coalition) seldom build statues to themselves or appear in public. They also play heavily on the cultural credit they have earned by standing up to the bully to the north.
They play to nationalism and generally only confront direct criticism.Putting that differently, they use a model of oppression and order that is very similar to that of China.
While your description accurately describes both countries, it is facile and dismissive (and therefore limited). I would encourage you to visit there and see what you think. You’re a generally thoughtful and reasonable in your posts. The only time I found your thinking limited is with regards to our former enemies. I am honestly really curious as to what a person (dare I say, “intellectual”) who clearly internalizes national and combat related views regarding national character would think upon directly experiencing the object of his contempt. I mean that.
Also, please don’t compare my posts with gandalf. Thats just mean.
November 15, 2008 at 11:53 PM in reply to: Have you ever been employed by a poor person or a liberal? #305751urbanrealtor
ParticipantAllan:
While I don’t mean it with the tone presented by larry, I do think that your comment about Cuba and Castro is ignorant (though not entirely inaccurate). I don’t like Castro. However, he does not foster a cult of personality or have roving goon squads. People in Cuba will speak quite plainly (and uniformly) about the mechanisms for power reinforcement in the regime. Part of the reason that he is not as hated as he otherwise might be is that he (and his coalition) seldom build statues to themselves or appear in public. They also play heavily on the cultural credit they have earned by standing up to the bully to the north.
They play to nationalism and generally only confront direct criticism.Putting that differently, they use a model of oppression and order that is very similar to that of China.
While your description accurately describes both countries, it is facile and dismissive (and therefore limited). I would encourage you to visit there and see what you think. You’re a generally thoughtful and reasonable in your posts. The only time I found your thinking limited is with regards to our former enemies. I am honestly really curious as to what a person (dare I say, “intellectual”) who clearly internalizes national and combat related views regarding national character would think upon directly experiencing the object of his contempt. I mean that.
Also, please don’t compare my posts with gandalf. Thats just mean.
November 15, 2008 at 11:53 PM in reply to: Have you ever been employed by a poor person or a liberal? #305811urbanrealtor
ParticipantAllan:
While I don’t mean it with the tone presented by larry, I do think that your comment about Cuba and Castro is ignorant (though not entirely inaccurate). I don’t like Castro. However, he does not foster a cult of personality or have roving goon squads. People in Cuba will speak quite plainly (and uniformly) about the mechanisms for power reinforcement in the regime. Part of the reason that he is not as hated as he otherwise might be is that he (and his coalition) seldom build statues to themselves or appear in public. They also play heavily on the cultural credit they have earned by standing up to the bully to the north.
They play to nationalism and generally only confront direct criticism.Putting that differently, they use a model of oppression and order that is very similar to that of China.
While your description accurately describes both countries, it is facile and dismissive (and therefore limited). I would encourage you to visit there and see what you think. You’re a generally thoughtful and reasonable in your posts. The only time I found your thinking limited is with regards to our former enemies. I am honestly really curious as to what a person (dare I say, “intellectual”) who clearly internalizes national and combat related views regarding national character would think upon directly experiencing the object of his contempt. I mean that.
Also, please don’t compare my posts with gandalf. Thats just mean.
November 15, 2008 at 11:06 PM in reply to: OT: The nail is on the coffin…UAW leader says no more concessions #305330urbanrealtor
ParticipantInteresting discussion.
I see some good point put together here.
While some posters, (eg: patientrenter and econprof) frame things in non-analytical and facile ways, they still have good points.
I think that I would like to know more about this before putting forward an opinion. I wish someone would put together a cnn-style explainer on it. The specific question I would like to see answered is:
Why does GM have so many problems that Toyota does not?
I would like to see this answered for just these 2 companies and I would like to see an answer that includes more than just the shitty end product.
I would like to see someone put numbers in terms of actual percentages of earnings that go where and to whom. I suspect the percent of earnings for GM to legacy costs is comparatively high and that earnings are low (see shitty product above). But I would still like to see hard numbers and apples to apples comparisons of operating models.November 15, 2008 at 11:06 PM in reply to: OT: The nail is on the coffin…UAW leader says no more concessions #305698urbanrealtor
ParticipantInteresting discussion.
I see some good point put together here.
While some posters, (eg: patientrenter and econprof) frame things in non-analytical and facile ways, they still have good points.
I think that I would like to know more about this before putting forward an opinion. I wish someone would put together a cnn-style explainer on it. The specific question I would like to see answered is:
Why does GM have so many problems that Toyota does not?
I would like to see this answered for just these 2 companies and I would like to see an answer that includes more than just the shitty end product.
I would like to see someone put numbers in terms of actual percentages of earnings that go where and to whom. I suspect the percent of earnings for GM to legacy costs is comparatively high and that earnings are low (see shitty product above). But I would still like to see hard numbers and apples to apples comparisons of operating models.November 15, 2008 at 11:06 PM in reply to: OT: The nail is on the coffin…UAW leader says no more concessions #305710urbanrealtor
ParticipantInteresting discussion.
I see some good point put together here.
While some posters, (eg: patientrenter and econprof) frame things in non-analytical and facile ways, they still have good points.
I think that I would like to know more about this before putting forward an opinion. I wish someone would put together a cnn-style explainer on it. The specific question I would like to see answered is:
Why does GM have so many problems that Toyota does not?
I would like to see this answered for just these 2 companies and I would like to see an answer that includes more than just the shitty end product.
I would like to see someone put numbers in terms of actual percentages of earnings that go where and to whom. I suspect the percent of earnings for GM to legacy costs is comparatively high and that earnings are low (see shitty product above). But I would still like to see hard numbers and apples to apples comparisons of operating models. -
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