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http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/Alleged-Con-Man-Stole-10-Million-in-Investments.html
http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/vista/article_60667301-88d1-5b67-9bc3-9ea08db10300.html
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/43257783/ns/local_news-san_diego_ca/t/alleged-con-man-stole-m-investments/
http://www.courthousenews.com/2011/06/02/37011.htm

Not much other than he was indicted..

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http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/Alleged-Con-Man-Stole-10-Million-in-Investments.html
http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/vista/article_60667301-88d1-5b67-9bc3-9ea08db10300.html
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/43257783/ns/local_news-san_diego_ca/t/alleged-con-man-stole-m-investments/
http://www.courthousenews.com/2011/06/02/37011.htm

Not much other than he was indicted..

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http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/Alleged-Con-Man-Stole-10-Million-in-Investments.html
http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/vista/article_60667301-88d1-5b67-9bc3-9ea08db10300.html
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/43257783/ns/local_news-san_diego_ca/t/alleged-con-man-stole-m-investments/
http://www.courthousenews.com/2011/06/02/37011.htm

Not much other than he was indicted..

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[quote Eugene]This argument as as valid as the right-wing claim that the Obama stimulus has failed: we did the stimulus, we still have unemployment, ergo stimulus can’t work. [/quote]You are missing that it might also depend upon what the stimulus money was spent on. Porky stuff is generally not stimulating to most of the economy.
[quote Eugene]Things gradually got normalized in the West because violent alleles died off.[/quote]Is that why most of the population now is so passive that they accept, almost without question, what is presented by the main stream media?

You could say that murder is tied to ‘violent alleles’, but you are also entering the range of nature vs nurture debates. It is also ignoring the aspect of what type of value a culture puts on life. If everything is in the after-life, and this (current life) is just a passing phase.. it is hard to see anyone valuing the ‘current life’.

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[quote Eugene]This argument as as valid as the right-wing claim that the Obama stimulus has failed: we did the stimulus, we still have unemployment, ergo stimulus can’t work. [/quote]You are missing that it might also depend upon what the stimulus money was spent on. Porky stuff is generally not stimulating to most of the economy.
[quote Eugene]Things gradually got normalized in the West because violent alleles died off.[/quote]Is that why most of the population now is so passive that they accept, almost without question, what is presented by the main stream media?

You could say that murder is tied to ‘violent alleles’, but you are also entering the range of nature vs nurture debates. It is also ignoring the aspect of what type of value a culture puts on life. If everything is in the after-life, and this (current life) is just a passing phase.. it is hard to see anyone valuing the ‘current life’.

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[quote Eugene]This argument as as valid as the right-wing claim that the Obama stimulus has failed: we did the stimulus, we still have unemployment, ergo stimulus can’t work. [/quote]You are missing that it might also depend upon what the stimulus money was spent on. Porky stuff is generally not stimulating to most of the economy.
[quote Eugene]Things gradually got normalized in the West because violent alleles died off.[/quote]Is that why most of the population now is so passive that they accept, almost without question, what is presented by the main stream media?

You could say that murder is tied to ‘violent alleles’, but you are also entering the range of nature vs nurture debates. It is also ignoring the aspect of what type of value a culture puts on life. If everything is in the after-life, and this (current life) is just a passing phase.. it is hard to see anyone valuing the ‘current life’.

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[quote Eugene]This argument as as valid as the right-wing claim that the Obama stimulus has failed: we did the stimulus, we still have unemployment, ergo stimulus can’t work. [/quote]You are missing that it might also depend upon what the stimulus money was spent on. Porky stuff is generally not stimulating to most of the economy.
[quote Eugene]Things gradually got normalized in the West because violent alleles died off.[/quote]Is that why most of the population now is so passive that they accept, almost without question, what is presented by the main stream media?

You could say that murder is tied to ‘violent alleles’, but you are also entering the range of nature vs nurture debates. It is also ignoring the aspect of what type of value a culture puts on life. If everything is in the after-life, and this (current life) is just a passing phase.. it is hard to see anyone valuing the ‘current life’.

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[quote Eugene]This argument as as valid as the right-wing claim that the Obama stimulus has failed: we did the stimulus, we still have unemployment, ergo stimulus can’t work. [/quote]You are missing that it might also depend upon what the stimulus money was spent on. Porky stuff is generally not stimulating to most of the economy.
[quote Eugene]Things gradually got normalized in the West because violent alleles died off.[/quote]Is that why most of the population now is so passive that they accept, almost without question, what is presented by the main stream media?

You could say that murder is tied to ‘violent alleles’, but you are also entering the range of nature vs nurture debates. It is also ignoring the aspect of what type of value a culture puts on life. If everything is in the after-life, and this (current life) is just a passing phase.. it is hard to see anyone valuing the ‘current life’.

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[quote captcha]Upon completing the training the militiaman has the option to keep the weapon (modified to semi-automatic).[/quote]
I didn’t see anything referencing that it was modified to semi-auto. In fact, I saw things mentioning that they can own it, but not fire the full-auto’s except at specific ranges. You can even own a howitzer in Switzerland, though my understanding is that an easy to get gun permit is required.
[quote captcha]If you want to buy another gun you need a permit.[/quote]Wrong. If you buy more than a specific number per year, permit required.. also based upon type of weapon. Permit is easy except for Geneva and one other canton(not going to look that up at this moment).
[quote captcha]If you want to carry your gun you need another permit. [/quote]Wrong. No permit required to carry. In fact it is assumed you will be carrying concealed unless you are law enforcement or a money carrier.
[quote captcha]If you are an ‘auslander’ good luck getting any of that. [/quote]Wrong again.. I also think someone else addressed this.
[quote Eugene]In principle, the Fifth Amendment privilege is not an absolute protection against providing information to the government. For example, income from selling illegal drugs in taxable and you can’t hide behind the Fifth Amendment to refuse filing taxes. (See United States v. Sullivan, 274 U. S. 259; Shapiro v. United States, 335 U. S. 1).[/quote]True, but considering the previous case(United States of America v. Robert Lee Wright, Jr), I am wondering if the attorney was aware of Haynes vs U.S. If the source of the funds is required to be documented, it may provide a shield.
[quote KIBU]People can find reasons to keep doing anything they want a lot. Rationalize it, justify it and go ahead. Common sense people just see thru all those rationalizations.[/quote]Interesting statement considering that Switzerland has the most liberal gun control laws virtually anywhere, has one of the lowest crime rates and gun assault/murder rates and is a country that several nations considered attacking but then abandoned that idea. Also consider Washington DC, which had banned handguns except for police, yet their gun assault/murder rate was amongst the highest in the nation. Mexico has one of the highest murder rates as well, getting a gun permit in Mexico is also tricky.

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[quote captcha]Upon completing the training the militiaman has the option to keep the weapon (modified to semi-automatic).[/quote]
I didn’t see anything referencing that it was modified to semi-auto. In fact, I saw things mentioning that they can own it, but not fire the full-auto’s except at specific ranges. You can even own a howitzer in Switzerland, though my understanding is that an easy to get gun permit is required.
[quote captcha]If you want to buy another gun you need a permit.[/quote]Wrong. If you buy more than a specific number per year, permit required.. also based upon type of weapon. Permit is easy except for Geneva and one other canton(not going to look that up at this moment).
[quote captcha]If you want to carry your gun you need another permit. [/quote]Wrong. No permit required to carry. In fact it is assumed you will be carrying concealed unless you are law enforcement or a money carrier.
[quote captcha]If you are an ‘auslander’ good luck getting any of that. [/quote]Wrong again.. I also think someone else addressed this.
[quote Eugene]In principle, the Fifth Amendment privilege is not an absolute protection against providing information to the government. For example, income from selling illegal drugs in taxable and you can’t hide behind the Fifth Amendment to refuse filing taxes. (See United States v. Sullivan, 274 U. S. 259; Shapiro v. United States, 335 U. S. 1).[/quote]True, but considering the previous case(United States of America v. Robert Lee Wright, Jr), I am wondering if the attorney was aware of Haynes vs U.S. If the source of the funds is required to be documented, it may provide a shield.
[quote KIBU]People can find reasons to keep doing anything they want a lot. Rationalize it, justify it and go ahead. Common sense people just see thru all those rationalizations.[/quote]Interesting statement considering that Switzerland has the most liberal gun control laws virtually anywhere, has one of the lowest crime rates and gun assault/murder rates and is a country that several nations considered attacking but then abandoned that idea. Also consider Washington DC, which had banned handguns except for police, yet their gun assault/murder rate was amongst the highest in the nation. Mexico has one of the highest murder rates as well, getting a gun permit in Mexico is also tricky.

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[quote captcha]Upon completing the training the militiaman has the option to keep the weapon (modified to semi-automatic).[/quote]
I didn’t see anything referencing that it was modified to semi-auto. In fact, I saw things mentioning that they can own it, but not fire the full-auto’s except at specific ranges. You can even own a howitzer in Switzerland, though my understanding is that an easy to get gun permit is required.
[quote captcha]If you want to buy another gun you need a permit.[/quote]Wrong. If you buy more than a specific number per year, permit required.. also based upon type of weapon. Permit is easy except for Geneva and one other canton(not going to look that up at this moment).
[quote captcha]If you want to carry your gun you need another permit. [/quote]Wrong. No permit required to carry. In fact it is assumed you will be carrying concealed unless you are law enforcement or a money carrier.
[quote captcha]If you are an ‘auslander’ good luck getting any of that. [/quote]Wrong again.. I also think someone else addressed this.
[quote Eugene]In principle, the Fifth Amendment privilege is not an absolute protection against providing information to the government. For example, income from selling illegal drugs in taxable and you can’t hide behind the Fifth Amendment to refuse filing taxes. (See United States v. Sullivan, 274 U. S. 259; Shapiro v. United States, 335 U. S. 1).[/quote]True, but considering the previous case(United States of America v. Robert Lee Wright, Jr), I am wondering if the attorney was aware of Haynes vs U.S. If the source of the funds is required to be documented, it may provide a shield.
[quote KIBU]People can find reasons to keep doing anything they want a lot. Rationalize it, justify it and go ahead. Common sense people just see thru all those rationalizations.[/quote]Interesting statement considering that Switzerland has the most liberal gun control laws virtually anywhere, has one of the lowest crime rates and gun assault/murder rates and is a country that several nations considered attacking but then abandoned that idea. Also consider Washington DC, which had banned handguns except for police, yet their gun assault/murder rate was amongst the highest in the nation. Mexico has one of the highest murder rates as well, getting a gun permit in Mexico is also tricky.

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[quote captcha]Upon completing the training the militiaman has the option to keep the weapon (modified to semi-automatic).[/quote]
I didn’t see anything referencing that it was modified to semi-auto. In fact, I saw things mentioning that they can own it, but not fire the full-auto’s except at specific ranges. You can even own a howitzer in Switzerland, though my understanding is that an easy to get gun permit is required.
[quote captcha]If you want to buy another gun you need a permit.[/quote]Wrong. If you buy more than a specific number per year, permit required.. also based upon type of weapon. Permit is easy except for Geneva and one other canton(not going to look that up at this moment).
[quote captcha]If you want to carry your gun you need another permit. [/quote]Wrong. No permit required to carry. In fact it is assumed you will be carrying concealed unless you are law enforcement or a money carrier.
[quote captcha]If you are an ‘auslander’ good luck getting any of that. [/quote]Wrong again.. I also think someone else addressed this.
[quote Eugene]In principle, the Fifth Amendment privilege is not an absolute protection against providing information to the government. For example, income from selling illegal drugs in taxable and you can’t hide behind the Fifth Amendment to refuse filing taxes. (See United States v. Sullivan, 274 U. S. 259; Shapiro v. United States, 335 U. S. 1).[/quote]True, but considering the previous case(United States of America v. Robert Lee Wright, Jr), I am wondering if the attorney was aware of Haynes vs U.S. If the source of the funds is required to be documented, it may provide a shield.
[quote KIBU]People can find reasons to keep doing anything they want a lot. Rationalize it, justify it and go ahead. Common sense people just see thru all those rationalizations.[/quote]Interesting statement considering that Switzerland has the most liberal gun control laws virtually anywhere, has one of the lowest crime rates and gun assault/murder rates and is a country that several nations considered attacking but then abandoned that idea. Also consider Washington DC, which had banned handguns except for police, yet their gun assault/murder rate was amongst the highest in the nation. Mexico has one of the highest murder rates as well, getting a gun permit in Mexico is also tricky.

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[quote captcha]Upon completing the training the militiaman has the option to keep the weapon (modified to semi-automatic).[/quote]
I didn’t see anything referencing that it was modified to semi-auto. In fact, I saw things mentioning that they can own it, but not fire the full-auto’s except at specific ranges. You can even own a howitzer in Switzerland, though my understanding is that an easy to get gun permit is required.
[quote captcha]If you want to buy another gun you need a permit.[/quote]Wrong. If you buy more than a specific number per year, permit required.. also based upon type of weapon. Permit is easy except for Geneva and one other canton(not going to look that up at this moment).
[quote captcha]If you want to carry your gun you need another permit. [/quote]Wrong. No permit required to carry. In fact it is assumed you will be carrying concealed unless you are law enforcement or a money carrier.
[quote captcha]If you are an ‘auslander’ good luck getting any of that. [/quote]Wrong again.. I also think someone else addressed this.
[quote Eugene]In principle, the Fifth Amendment privilege is not an absolute protection against providing information to the government. For example, income from selling illegal drugs in taxable and you can’t hide behind the Fifth Amendment to refuse filing taxes. (See United States v. Sullivan, 274 U. S. 259; Shapiro v. United States, 335 U. S. 1).[/quote]True, but considering the previous case(United States of America v. Robert Lee Wright, Jr), I am wondering if the attorney was aware of Haynes vs U.S. If the source of the funds is required to be documented, it may provide a shield.
[quote KIBU]People can find reasons to keep doing anything they want a lot. Rationalize it, justify it and go ahead. Common sense people just see thru all those rationalizations.[/quote]Interesting statement considering that Switzerland has the most liberal gun control laws virtually anywhere, has one of the lowest crime rates and gun assault/murder rates and is a country that several nations considered attacking but then abandoned that idea. Also consider Washington DC, which had banned handguns except for police, yet their gun assault/murder rate was amongst the highest in the nation. Mexico has one of the highest murder rates as well, getting a gun permit in Mexico is also tricky.

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[quote Eugene]So either Haynes vs. U.S. does not apply as broadly as we think, or it has been superseded (or Mr. Wright had a bad lawyer).[/quote]
I think it might be that he didn’t have as good a lawyer as Haynes, or Mr. Wright’s lawyer was not paying attention. We have seen an example where in-attentiveness has happened.. Check the docket.. see the note saying “pro se.” next to Rober Lee Wright Jr’s name? This means that he was representing himself.

NOTE:
http://supreme.justia.com/us/390/85/
Quoting:

Petitioner was charged by information with violating 26 U.S.C. § 5851 (part of the National Firearms Act, an interrelated statutory system for the taxation of certain classes of firearms used principally by persons engaged in unlawful activities)

I italicized for emphasis.
ALSO from the decision:

A proper claim of the privilege against self-incrimination provides a full defense to prosecutions either for failure to register under sec. 5841 or for possession of an unregistered firearm under sec. 5851.

Considering that the basis of the argument was: “That, because he was a convicted felon and thus prohibited from owning a firearm, requiring him to register was essentially requiring him to make an open admission to the government that he was in violation of the law, which was thus a violation of his right not to incriminate himself.”, and the Supreme Court essentially agreed, it is likely to extend past just the statute involved.. as do most Supreme Court decisions.

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[quote Eugene]So either Haynes vs. U.S. does not apply as broadly as we think, or it has been superseded (or Mr. Wright had a bad lawyer).[/quote]
I think it might be that he didn’t have as good a lawyer as Haynes, or Mr. Wright’s lawyer was not paying attention. We have seen an example where in-attentiveness has happened.. Check the docket.. see the note saying “pro se.” next to Rober Lee Wright Jr’s name? This means that he was representing himself.

NOTE:
http://supreme.justia.com/us/390/85/
Quoting:

Petitioner was charged by information with violating 26 U.S.C. § 5851 (part of the National Firearms Act, an interrelated statutory system for the taxation of certain classes of firearms used principally by persons engaged in unlawful activities)

I italicized for emphasis.
ALSO from the decision:

A proper claim of the privilege against self-incrimination provides a full defense to prosecutions either for failure to register under sec. 5841 or for possession of an unregistered firearm under sec. 5851.

Considering that the basis of the argument was: “That, because he was a convicted felon and thus prohibited from owning a firearm, requiring him to register was essentially requiring him to make an open admission to the government that he was in violation of the law, which was thus a violation of his right not to incriminate himself.”, and the Supreme Court essentially agreed, it is likely to extend past just the statute involved.. as do most Supreme Court decisions.

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