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From what I understand, he shot his way through the glass door at the front of the school.[/quote] Reference? I have been looking for how he got in. I have noticed that the story has changed several times.. including from him being normal, to possibly autistic/aspergers, withdrawn, had violent temper etc.. What gets me is the shooters lack of valuing life. Strange. It is almost like a sociopath.

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[quote=craptcha][quote=ucodegen] Safety measures that mandated parents signing in, etc. How did he get past these? A perv could also go past these same security measures to ‘snatch’ a kid.
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He used the gun.[/quote]Umm.. how did he get past the locked door??? They had to first let him in, if the supposed security measures were in effect.

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[quote=ocrenter]So I got my answer on the “necessity” of assault weapons. It is so when true patriots need to rise up against the oppressive government, they have the ability to do so.

Given that same line of thought, it is then ok to have some innocent casaulties along the way to maintain that ability to launch armed resistance against future government encroachment real or imagined.

But why stop at semi-automatics, why not have the ability to keep a few tanks and maybe even go nuclear.[/quote]Or tactical nuclear weapon? It all has to do with the amount of damage that the device does. With semi-auto, it would take a large portion of the populace. With more powerful weapons, it would take fewer people. Potentially too small of a group to truly represent the populace’s wishes.

With the current tech in tanks.. I do get concerned. What if they are used against the populace. How do you stop an M1A2? Anti-tank weapons were not too effective against them in Iraq.

Instead of just looking at weapons, also consider that this guy was able to get into a school that had instituted new safety measures to protect its kids. Safety measures that mandated parents signing in, etc. How did he get past these? A perv could also go past these same security measures to ‘snatch’ a kid.

I also wonder if some of the ‘protecting’ that parents do for their kids combined with some of the video games, may also make them unfeeling. How do you understand and emphasize with someone being shot unless you know something more than what a video game shows you. How do you understand that is something you don’t want happening to you.. and that there is no ‘respawn’/’rebirth’ button?

Somethings not right here.. and it is not the guns. Guns have always been in our society and there have not been problems like this. Particularly, not as many. Why do they feel compelled to use a deadly weapon on the weakest portion of society?

PS: There are some people who collect tanks…

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[quote=enron_by_the_sea]So are you trying to say that Chinese people before Mao or Jewish-German people before the time of Hitler were the societies where semi-automatic guns were freely available and universally owned?[/quote]Strawman Argument, though with Jewish-German people, they were readily available.. though not universally owned. It is a sore point for old Jews from Germany.. The JDL is very anti gun regulation.

[quote=enron_by_the_sea]Just because Mao and Hitler said something, should it make it true? Besides Mao said “power” not “liberty”.[/quote]My is that every splitting a hair. The truth of it is in its demonstration during their rule and the number of deaths of the unarmed innocents who could do nothing but die. Mao rose to power through the ‘point of a gun’.. and then banned guns so that he himself would not be displaced.

[quote=enron_by_the_sea]I am asking why this NRA’s love with semi-automatic weapons & high capacity magazines, allergy to registry or any notion of liability for anyone?[/quote]It is not necessarily love.. but an issue of encroachment/infringement upon a Constitutional right.

If the citizenry has to defend itself against the government, then the citizens will have to go against such things as the Mini-Gun(30cal rifle round, fired at 6000 rounds per minute), M2 Browning(50 cal BMG with armor piercing, incendiary rounds.. fire at up to 800 rounds per minute – these rounds can go through brick walls and 1 inch plate steel), M240 (Can include a grenade launcher, fires 30 cal 7.62 at almost 1000 rounds per minute). I have fired these.. and they scare the s**t out of me in terms of thinking of being on the other end.

Now try to imagine dealing with an errant government and using an old bolt-action against this.. doesn’t work.

In terms of fast rate of fire, a semi-auto is not much faster than a revolver for a knowledgeable person. In fact, there used to be ‘revolver-rifles’ before the semi-auto mechanism was perfected. It is also possible to reload a revolver using an autoloader within a few seconds. Some revolvers also had replaceable/removable cylinders (ie. Peacemakers) making it almost the same as a clip. Therefore banning semi-auto really doesn’t get you anything.

What I find interesting about the gun-regulation people, is the complete lack of knowledge on weapons that they possess. Most of the mass killings have been close up, and none of the guns being banned is the most dangerous close up. The most dangerous at 45 feet and under is a shotgun. There are 8 rounds per shell of 00 buckshot, about the size of a 38 caliber bullet. That means every time it fires once, it is equivalent to a 38 caliber handgun being fired 8 times at the same target. Don’t even think of what the slug is like.

Of course it doesn’t look ‘nasty’ like an ‘assault’ rifle.. and it is not as useful when protecting against an errant government.

Finally registration: There are several instances of where gun registration was later used to confiscate weapons.. including more recently in New York.

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[quote=SK in CV]I remember the Brenda Spencer story pretty well. I grew up in that area.

Just a few years earlier, and just a couple of miles away, a high school senior, Danny Alstadt took an axe, and gave his father 40 whacks. And when he saw what he had done, he did the same to his mother and sister.[/quote]Channeling Lizzie Borden?

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[quote=enron_by_the_sea]My conclusion: Liberty comes from culture, not from the barrel of a gun![/quote]History disagrees with you.. as well as Mao Zedong..

political power grows out of the barrel of a gun. – Mao Zedong

That is in part why they are banned from the public in China. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearm_ownership_law_in_China

The Nazi(s) in Germany instituted strict gun control before they started to purge the Jews. When the populace found out what was happening, they could no longer oppose Hitler. Beside, initially everything was “good” for the Germans under Hitler.. except for the Jews which were completely banned from owning firearms.

There are several more examples of where strict gun control was instituted.. and short, within 10 to 20 years, a despot gains power and the people are not able to stop them.

History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subjected peoples to carry arms have prepared their own fall. – Adolf Hitler

Our main agenda is to have ALL guns banned. We must use whatever means possible. It doesn’t matter if you have to distort facts or even lie. Our task of creating a socialist America can only succeed when those who would resist us have been totally disarmed. – Sarah Brady

Note: On this last one, there are claims that the statement is not true.. but remember that Sarah Brady is associated with the Brady Center, and has taken no effort to refute it. There are other quotes from her along the same lines.

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[quote=flu]I wish I could find an Arial Atom that was CA street legal and reasonably priced… Then again, I don’t think I’m a good enough driver and would kill myself…Literally.[/quote]The car in this guys link is California cert’d.. you could find out how he did it. You could also build a ‘kit’ repro car and then SB-100 it. A Caterham 7 is a possibility. Some of the Caterham 7’s can actually be spec raced. You can also emission qualify it on weight class for engine under current emission rules (though that will limit what you can do with the car).

Some people drop V8s into these.. the video is of a straight 4.. 0-60 @ 3.7s Its all about weight..
NOTE: It based on the Lotus Super 7..

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[quote=creechrr]I personally have a car that is due for smog and I’m waiting till January. I want to see how this new process works or doesn’t. My cat is 8 years old with a couple track days and canyon runs on it. I think I’d rather the port test.[/quote]OBDII systems have an additional oxygen sensor after the cat. This way it knows that the cat is working… It should read 0% oxygen. To use a 3 way cat, you have to have the mixture set very close to stichiometric for all 3 catalysts to work. Nitrous oxides require stichio to rich mixtures, hydrocarbon and carbon monoxide need stichio towards lean. The intersection of the two is where the 3 way cats work.

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[quote=creechrr]What year car? OBDII?

Beginning January 1st, MY 2000 and newer will not have to spin the rollers for smog anymore. They going to start just checking the ECU for codes at a “STAR” station.

I think this could be beneficial to some with modified cars.[/quote]Correct.. and it will allow those that ‘hack’ the codes to fly through inspection even though the dyno test would fail them. I have no idea who thought up this lunacy. They are relying on a part that could be faked, altered, not working properly to tell you that all is working properly. – DUMB!

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I can’t find the specific reference at the moment but, there was speculation that a verification of the code will be performed on ’06 and newer vehicles. I assumption was that the check would be done by comparing the checksum data supplied by the OEM against what the ECU is reporting at the time of inspection. That could make reflahsing more challenging.[/quote] Doesn’t exactly make reflashing harder.. remember which device is reporting the checksum in the first place.. the device that was reflashed! Just have it report the checksum for the original flash code! From what I remember, it doesn’t upload the flash code to the test unit.. but there is also a way around that. Just requires a larger flash chip.

The notes I see are model year 2000 and more recent. AB 2289.. for those that like reading things:
http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/09-10/bill/asm/ab_2251-2300/ab_2289_bill_20100924_chaptered.html

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[quote=bearishgurl]flu, I know LOTS of people who have applied for and qualified for assistance in the last few years to get older vehicles smogged. The assistance is good to use at any CA Test and Repair stations.
[/quote]The problem with that statement is that older cars can’t go to CA Test and Repair, they have to go to Test Only stations. I know. My truck is one of these.. even though it is producing about 1/8th the amount of pollutants that are allowed for that vehicle.

Also be aware that Gov Brown added to the mess by preventing people from using Catalytic converters if the car originally didn’t come with it. I thought the idea was to clean the air?? If you don’t believe me on this, talk to the guy doing the test on your car. That is how I found out about it.

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[quote=squat300]i guess ive just expected the jig to be up for so long that now Im thinking the jig will stay down probably till i’m dead. the jig is uncertain after that.

reps with 235 today, masterfully, if I do say so myself. physical ability may matter more int he future.[/quote]If you are planning for the future, make sure you get some work in on the upper body too…

Personally I am consider that they are going to ‘inflate’ their way out of it… It causes the house prices to rise to the values of the underlying notes, and allows the gov to spend like crazy.

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[quote=Diego Mamani]Population and sample are mutually exclusive concepts. The latter is a subset of the former. When the phrase “population sample” is (mis)used, usually its author means to say “study sample”.[/quote]Or could be short for their “sample of the population”..

Ice Cream Sample — Sample of Ice Cream
Port Sample — Sample of Port… umm.. gotta go. Its eve and time for some Port..

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[quote=spdrun]Lead/other heavy-metal contamination on surfaces from fuel with metal compounds?[/quote]How about paint.. which had much more lead. Besides, lead was removed from gasoline around 1975 because it and other heavy-metals will contaminate a catalytic converter.. this includes zinc which has been removed from motor oil.

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http://archpsyc.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=1393589

Pretty powerful evidence of effect of air pollution on autism. We’re looking at 3 times the risk when exposed to higher level of pollution.

Are we sure mission was accomplished in the 90’s?[/quote]The work is severely flawed. One of the problems if multivariate statistical analysis is correlated independent variables. Because their population sample may have correlated independent variables, the author could remove one of the variables for correlation w/o telling the readers. The reason to remove the independent variable would be decrease heteroscedasticity which could invalidate the correlation if too high. I don’t see multiple multivariate runs with potential cross-correlated variables, which is supposed to be done when you consider removing an independent variable.

Outside of the ‘statistics talk’ above, there is an easy way to cross-check the study.

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[quote=flu]There’s a misconception about why some car repair bills are so high.. Beyond just the labor, these days it’s parts. Most problems are in the electronics…Mechanics don’t repair electronics… they swap boards….[/quote]Part of the problem is the way the cars are ‘built’. Recent problem: Older Mustang, S.O. took it to JiffyLube. Person there packed the terminal protector with lithium grease because there was a little corrosion. This only makes the problem worse because it traps the acid against the connectors. Went to Ford to get the positive terminal wire fixed. Price would be about $700. The wire is built into the engine bay wiring loom that traverses under the engine… even though battery terminals are highly likely to corrode. They only do the repair by replacing the entire lower engine wiring loom. Guess one of my long weekends is going to be pulling the loom apart and pulling out and replacing the positive terminal wires.. Other problems I have come across:

The driveline U joints on Nissan 280ZX, 300ZX(s) are not replaceable. You have to replace the entire driveshaft.

Distributors of Nissan 280ZX, 300ZX(s) are not rebuildable if one of the sealed ball bearings wears out.

The fuel pump relay on a 280ZX is hidden.. and not even the factory manual is clear about its location (passenger side, near wheel, at top, hidden behind side paneling of engine compartment).
The reality is that there is not much motivation for a manufacturer to make a car easy to fix/repair. It is actually the opposite. Every repair ends up being a big expensive part that has to come from the factory instead of the real cause.. like a small seal, bearing, u-joint.. which is a commodity item and comparatively cheap.

[quote=bearishgurl]flu, even if you spend $50 to $100 for your vehicle’s shop manual, these “specialized tools and scanners” you speak of here can run up to $80K apiece (for the European models).[/quote]This is not the way it is supposed to be, but each of the manufacturers tries to make it hard by not adhering to standards. The electronics bus that is most cars these days is known as the CAN-BUS. It is a standardized format, the problem is most manufacturers ‘tweak’ the protocol to make it non-compatible. ODB-II was supposed to force it to a more of a ‘standard’.. but the manufacturers come up with all sorts of excuses as to why they can’t. The other problem is that auto buyers have no good reference as to how the manufacturer has built the car for repairability.

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