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Uco: Call me crazy, but I think if we’re in the throes of a full-blown zombie invasion, we probably aren’t going to be too concerned with laws and legalities.

True.. but if there is a zombie attack, you better have your weapons ahead of time. Once the zombies break loose, it will be nearly impossible to get any good weapons for a reasonable price. That was why I was restricting my choice to weapons a civi could get, invent or create out of available components (ie. 10KW laser).

Unless, of course, you’re thinking that California zombies will be the same assholes as existing State of California government and law enforcement members? You know, zombie police or zombie code enforcement officials. In a weird way, I could see it.

They did ban the 50 BMG. Was that a preemptive strike on the CA gov zombies part? It was supposedly done to help prevent ‘terrorism’, ignoring that these weapons are not light and are not easily concealed.

We’re also giving short shrift to fine General Electric products like the M214 minigun. Yeah, they’re real thirsty from an ammo standpoint, but they get the job done. Also, what about the Mk19 40mm? That would be good for busting up zombie hordes.

True.. The problem with the XM214 is that it takes battery power to run, recoil at 1000 rounds per minute is 11 lbs ( you can push it to 10,000 rounds per minute -> 110 lbs of recoil). You’ll also go through 60lbs of ammo in no time. Truck or turrent mounted, the XM214 works – just can’t hand carry it – only in the movies. Also, the XM214 fires a 5.56 round (see earlier projectile energy table). How about the good old Dillon M134 (its older bigger brother) which fires a 7.62 round. Definitely truck or turret mount because the recoil is 150lbs at 3000 rounds per minute.
And there is the M61A1(which has been outfitted for area defense as well as it original purpose)

Also, what about the Mk19 40mm?

That one also sounds useful.. run HE-frag grenades through it. Need to also add the MK47 to this list w/ smart grenades.

PS: I wonder how many telecom CIA/FBI sniffers we have tripped by now? Any black helicopters in your area? Remember that a lot of telecom data is being routed through a building in San Fran/San Jose area.

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Uco: Call me crazy, but I think if we’re in the throes of a full-blown zombie invasion, we probably aren’t going to be too concerned with laws and legalities.

True.. but if there is a zombie attack, you better have your weapons ahead of time. Once the zombies break loose, it will be nearly impossible to get any good weapons for a reasonable price. That was why I was restricting my choice to weapons a civi could get, invent or create out of available components (ie. 10KW laser).

Unless, of course, you’re thinking that California zombies will be the same assholes as existing State of California government and law enforcement members? You know, zombie police or zombie code enforcement officials. In a weird way, I could see it.

They did ban the 50 BMG. Was that a preemptive strike on the CA gov zombies part? It was supposedly done to help prevent ‘terrorism’, ignoring that these weapons are not light and are not easily concealed.

We’re also giving short shrift to fine General Electric products like the M214 minigun. Yeah, they’re real thirsty from an ammo standpoint, but they get the job done. Also, what about the Mk19 40mm? That would be good for busting up zombie hordes.

True.. The problem with the XM214 is that it takes battery power to run, recoil at 1000 rounds per minute is 11 lbs ( you can push it to 10,000 rounds per minute -> 110 lbs of recoil). You’ll also go through 60lbs of ammo in no time. Truck or turrent mounted, the XM214 works – just can’t hand carry it – only in the movies. Also, the XM214 fires a 5.56 round (see earlier projectile energy table). How about the good old Dillon M134 (its older bigger brother) which fires a 7.62 round. Definitely truck or turret mount because the recoil is 150lbs at 3000 rounds per minute.
And there is the M61A1(which has been outfitted for area defense as well as it original purpose)

Also, what about the Mk19 40mm?

That one also sounds useful.. run HE-frag grenades through it. Need to also add the MK47 to this list w/ smart grenades.

PS: I wonder how many telecom CIA/FBI sniffers we have tripped by now? Any black helicopters in your area? Remember that a lot of telecom data is being routed through a building in San Fran/San Jose area.

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Uco: Call me crazy, but I think if we’re in the throes of a full-blown zombie invasion, we probably aren’t going to be too concerned with laws and legalities.

True.. but if there is a zombie attack, you better have your weapons ahead of time. Once the zombies break loose, it will be nearly impossible to get any good weapons for a reasonable price. That was why I was restricting my choice to weapons a civi could get, invent or create out of available components (ie. 10KW laser).

Unless, of course, you’re thinking that California zombies will be the same assholes as existing State of California government and law enforcement members? You know, zombie police or zombie code enforcement officials. In a weird way, I could see it.

They did ban the 50 BMG. Was that a preemptive strike on the CA gov zombies part? It was supposedly done to help prevent ‘terrorism’, ignoring that these weapons are not light and are not easily concealed.

We’re also giving short shrift to fine General Electric products like the M214 minigun. Yeah, they’re real thirsty from an ammo standpoint, but they get the job done. Also, what about the Mk19 40mm? That would be good for busting up zombie hordes.

True.. The problem with the XM214 is that it takes battery power to run, recoil at 1000 rounds per minute is 11 lbs ( you can push it to 10,000 rounds per minute -> 110 lbs of recoil). You’ll also go through 60lbs of ammo in no time. Truck or turrent mounted, the XM214 works – just can’t hand carry it – only in the movies. Also, the XM214 fires a 5.56 round (see earlier projectile energy table). How about the good old Dillon M134 (its older bigger brother) which fires a 7.62 round. Definitely truck or turret mount because the recoil is 150lbs at 3000 rounds per minute.
And there is the M61A1(which has been outfitted for area defense as well as it original purpose)

Also, what about the Mk19 40mm?

That one also sounds useful.. run HE-frag grenades through it. Need to also add the MK47 to this list w/ smart grenades.

PS: I wonder how many telecom CIA/FBI sniffers we have tripped by now? Any black helicopters in your area? Remember that a lot of telecom data is being routed through a building in San Fran/San Jose area.

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Can it be calibrated to shoot high? Unless it’s scoring headshots, it’d have to tear the zombie apart to get it to stop, which could be ammo spendy.

50 cal (M2)s are designed for light armor. If they hit a soft target, even at a mile, they tend to tear it apart.

.45 ACP = 540 joules
9mm Parabellum = 475 joules
5.56 NATO = 1,822 joules
AK-47/Soviet = 2,045 joules
7.63x51mm NATO = 3,744 joules
Browning MG .50 = 17,149 joules – also applies to the Barrett 50 cal sniper rifle.

Remember that in Afghanistan and Iraq, they were targeting insurgents and Taliban by shooting through walls to hit them when using the Barrett.

Unfortunately weapons firing the 50 cal BMG round are illegal in California (AB50) unless you have a federal firearms permit. This has caused Ronnie Barrett to refuse to service California SWAT’s Barretts as well as producing a .416 Barrett which uses the BMG round necked down to a .416 round. Higher muzzle velocity but does not deliver quite the same energy at target. Another way around California’s BMG ban is to go with the 50 DTC Euro round. The ban explicitly calls out the BMG cartridge.

As for the island I believe “Fricken Sharks with laser beams attached to thier heads” would be a great deterant!

Or turrent mount continuous wave 10KW semiconductor laser??

Or we can go for a bunch of Oddjob hats mounted on automated throwing machines (Goldfinger ref)

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Can it be calibrated to shoot high? Unless it’s scoring headshots, it’d have to tear the zombie apart to get it to stop, which could be ammo spendy.

50 cal (M2)s are designed for light armor. If they hit a soft target, even at a mile, they tend to tear it apart.

.45 ACP = 540 joules
9mm Parabellum = 475 joules
5.56 NATO = 1,822 joules
AK-47/Soviet = 2,045 joules
7.63x51mm NATO = 3,744 joules
Browning MG .50 = 17,149 joules – also applies to the Barrett 50 cal sniper rifle.

Remember that in Afghanistan and Iraq, they were targeting insurgents and Taliban by shooting through walls to hit them when using the Barrett.

Unfortunately weapons firing the 50 cal BMG round are illegal in California (AB50) unless you have a federal firearms permit. This has caused Ronnie Barrett to refuse to service California SWAT’s Barretts as well as producing a .416 Barrett which uses the BMG round necked down to a .416 round. Higher muzzle velocity but does not deliver quite the same energy at target. Another way around California’s BMG ban is to go with the 50 DTC Euro round. The ban explicitly calls out the BMG cartridge.

As for the island I believe “Fricken Sharks with laser beams attached to thier heads” would be a great deterant!

Or turrent mount continuous wave 10KW semiconductor laser??

Or we can go for a bunch of Oddjob hats mounted on automated throwing machines (Goldfinger ref)

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Can it be calibrated to shoot high? Unless it’s scoring headshots, it’d have to tear the zombie apart to get it to stop, which could be ammo spendy.

50 cal (M2)s are designed for light armor. If they hit a soft target, even at a mile, they tend to tear it apart.

.45 ACP = 540 joules
9mm Parabellum = 475 joules
5.56 NATO = 1,822 joules
AK-47/Soviet = 2,045 joules
7.63x51mm NATO = 3,744 joules
Browning MG .50 = 17,149 joules – also applies to the Barrett 50 cal sniper rifle.

Remember that in Afghanistan and Iraq, they were targeting insurgents and Taliban by shooting through walls to hit them when using the Barrett.

Unfortunately weapons firing the 50 cal BMG round are illegal in California (AB50) unless you have a federal firearms permit. This has caused Ronnie Barrett to refuse to service California SWAT’s Barretts as well as producing a .416 Barrett which uses the BMG round necked down to a .416 round. Higher muzzle velocity but does not deliver quite the same energy at target. Another way around California’s BMG ban is to go with the 50 DTC Euro round. The ban explicitly calls out the BMG cartridge.

As for the island I believe “Fricken Sharks with laser beams attached to thier heads” would be a great deterant!

Or turrent mount continuous wave 10KW semiconductor laser??

Or we can go for a bunch of Oddjob hats mounted on automated throwing machines (Goldfinger ref)

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Can it be calibrated to shoot high? Unless it’s scoring headshots, it’d have to tear the zombie apart to get it to stop, which could be ammo spendy.

50 cal (M2)s are designed for light armor. If they hit a soft target, even at a mile, they tend to tear it apart.

.45 ACP = 540 joules
9mm Parabellum = 475 joules
5.56 NATO = 1,822 joules
AK-47/Soviet = 2,045 joules
7.63x51mm NATO = 3,744 joules
Browning MG .50 = 17,149 joules – also applies to the Barrett 50 cal sniper rifle.

Remember that in Afghanistan and Iraq, they were targeting insurgents and Taliban by shooting through walls to hit them when using the Barrett.

Unfortunately weapons firing the 50 cal BMG round are illegal in California (AB50) unless you have a federal firearms permit. This has caused Ronnie Barrett to refuse to service California SWAT’s Barretts as well as producing a .416 Barrett which uses the BMG round necked down to a .416 round. Higher muzzle velocity but does not deliver quite the same energy at target. Another way around California’s BMG ban is to go with the 50 DTC Euro round. The ban explicitly calls out the BMG cartridge.

As for the island I believe “Fricken Sharks with laser beams attached to thier heads” would be a great deterant!

Or turrent mount continuous wave 10KW semiconductor laser??

Or we can go for a bunch of Oddjob hats mounted on automated throwing machines (Goldfinger ref)

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Can it be calibrated to shoot high? Unless it’s scoring headshots, it’d have to tear the zombie apart to get it to stop, which could be ammo spendy.

50 cal (M2)s are designed for light armor. If they hit a soft target, even at a mile, they tend to tear it apart.

.45 ACP = 540 joules
9mm Parabellum = 475 joules
5.56 NATO = 1,822 joules
AK-47/Soviet = 2,045 joules
7.63x51mm NATO = 3,744 joules
Browning MG .50 = 17,149 joules – also applies to the Barrett 50 cal sniper rifle.

Remember that in Afghanistan and Iraq, they were targeting insurgents and Taliban by shooting through walls to hit them when using the Barrett.

Unfortunately weapons firing the 50 cal BMG round are illegal in California (AB50) unless you have a federal firearms permit. This has caused Ronnie Barrett to refuse to service California SWAT’s Barretts as well as producing a .416 Barrett which uses the BMG round necked down to a .416 round. Higher muzzle velocity but does not deliver quite the same energy at target. Another way around California’s BMG ban is to go with the 50 DTC Euro round. The ban explicitly calls out the BMG cartridge.

As for the island I believe “Fricken Sharks with laser beams attached to thier heads” would be a great deterant!

Or turrent mount continuous wave 10KW semiconductor laser??

Or we can go for a bunch of Oddjob hats mounted on automated throwing machines (Goldfinger ref)

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Uco: That Benelli is a thing of beauty and the AA12 looks like fun, but I’m fundamentally mistrustful of semi-auto shotguns in a combat situation and solely because of the potential for jams.

Many of the semi-autos will ‘re-rack’ like a pump action. Two ways to jam. The auto mechanism gums up creating too much drag and a feed problem – which happens to have the same characteristics as a feed problem on a pump action because a good percentage of the internal feed mechanism is similar between the two.

This is why I like the Benelli too.. it does not use gas pressure to feed, therefore the mechanism is less likely to get gummed up.

I like the AA12’s ability to be reloaded.. just like an assault rifle or semi-auto handgun. Some of the shells for the AA12 are also quite nice (not all shotguns can handle them).

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Uco: That Benelli is a thing of beauty and the AA12 looks like fun, but I’m fundamentally mistrustful of semi-auto shotguns in a combat situation and solely because of the potential for jams.

Many of the semi-autos will ‘re-rack’ like a pump action. Two ways to jam. The auto mechanism gums up creating too much drag and a feed problem – which happens to have the same characteristics as a feed problem on a pump action because a good percentage of the internal feed mechanism is similar between the two.

This is why I like the Benelli too.. it does not use gas pressure to feed, therefore the mechanism is less likely to get gummed up.

I like the AA12’s ability to be reloaded.. just like an assault rifle or semi-auto handgun. Some of the shells for the AA12 are also quite nice (not all shotguns can handle them).

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Uco: That Benelli is a thing of beauty and the AA12 looks like fun, but I’m fundamentally mistrustful of semi-auto shotguns in a combat situation and solely because of the potential for jams.

Many of the semi-autos will ‘re-rack’ like a pump action. Two ways to jam. The auto mechanism gums up creating too much drag and a feed problem – which happens to have the same characteristics as a feed problem on a pump action because a good percentage of the internal feed mechanism is similar between the two.

This is why I like the Benelli too.. it does not use gas pressure to feed, therefore the mechanism is less likely to get gummed up.

I like the AA12’s ability to be reloaded.. just like an assault rifle or semi-auto handgun. Some of the shells for the AA12 are also quite nice (not all shotguns can handle them).

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Uco: That Benelli is a thing of beauty and the AA12 looks like fun, but I’m fundamentally mistrustful of semi-auto shotguns in a combat situation and solely because of the potential for jams.

Many of the semi-autos will ‘re-rack’ like a pump action. Two ways to jam. The auto mechanism gums up creating too much drag and a feed problem – which happens to have the same characteristics as a feed problem on a pump action because a good percentage of the internal feed mechanism is similar between the two.

This is why I like the Benelli too.. it does not use gas pressure to feed, therefore the mechanism is less likely to get gummed up.

I like the AA12’s ability to be reloaded.. just like an assault rifle or semi-auto handgun. Some of the shells for the AA12 are also quite nice (not all shotguns can handle them).

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Uco: That Benelli is a thing of beauty and the AA12 looks like fun, but I’m fundamentally mistrustful of semi-auto shotguns in a combat situation and solely because of the potential for jams.

Many of the semi-autos will ‘re-rack’ like a pump action. Two ways to jam. The auto mechanism gums up creating too much drag and a feed problem – which happens to have the same characteristics as a feed problem on a pump action because a good percentage of the internal feed mechanism is similar between the two.

This is why I like the Benelli too.. it does not use gas pressure to feed, therefore the mechanism is less likely to get gummed up.

I like the AA12’s ability to be reloaded.. just like an assault rifle or semi-auto handgun. Some of the shells for the AA12 are also quite nice (not all shotguns can handle them).

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I still think a pump shotgun is a far superior close in weapon, especially in terms of how much damage it does. Put a 3″ magnum buck load into one of their grapes and its Jackson Pollock time.

How about an ‘semi-automatic’ shotgun (no pumping needed between shots). Some of the ones made are ‘inertial’ based. This means that they use the ‘kickback’ of the shell to load the next round as opposed to using gas bled from around the discharging round.

http://hunting.about.com/od/toppicks/tp/tp_autoshotguns.htm

Then there is this one for the really sick.

AA-12 Shotgun – Anti-Zombie Weapon of Choice

Even states that it is designed for zombie attacks!!

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I still think a pump shotgun is a far superior close in weapon, especially in terms of how much damage it does. Put a 3″ magnum buck load into one of their grapes and its Jackson Pollock time.

How about an ‘semi-automatic’ shotgun (no pumping needed between shots). Some of the ones made are ‘inertial’ based. This means that they use the ‘kickback’ of the shell to load the next round as opposed to using gas bled from around the discharging round.

http://hunting.about.com/od/toppicks/tp/tp_autoshotguns.htm

Then there is this one for the really sick.

AA-12 Shotgun – Anti-Zombie Weapon of Choice

Even states that it is designed for zombie attacks!!

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