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Participant[quote Rustico]In your earlier posts you seemed to want to absolve your team by saying the other side does it too. [/quote] I think he was just pointing something out. Neither side is clean.
[quote Rustico]What does agreeing that both sides do it and maintaining the status quo do for anyone? Are you saying there is no problem? In any case I don’t hear you asking for corrective action very loudly compared to your will to take umbrage at whatever assertions… and point fingers back.[/quote]
So what do you suggest.. a restriction on speech? Dangerous slope to start down. Just who is to say how much and what is appropriate? In some ways, pointing it all out helps. Understanding it helps. I just wish the MSM wasn’t as one sided. They should also point out the Democratic party’s ‘target’ map.Problem is that the MSM profits off of the fury:
Get the widow on the set, we need dirty laundry
You don’t really need to find out what’s going on
You don’t really want to know just how far it’s gone.Participant[quote Rustico]In your earlier posts you seemed to want to absolve your team by saying the other side does it too. [/quote] I think he was just pointing something out. Neither side is clean.
[quote Rustico]What does agreeing that both sides do it and maintaining the status quo do for anyone? Are you saying there is no problem? In any case I don’t hear you asking for corrective action very loudly compared to your will to take umbrage at whatever assertions… and point fingers back.[/quote]
So what do you suggest.. a restriction on speech? Dangerous slope to start down. Just who is to say how much and what is appropriate? In some ways, pointing it all out helps. Understanding it helps. I just wish the MSM wasn’t as one sided. They should also point out the Democratic party’s ‘target’ map.Problem is that the MSM profits off of the fury:
Get the widow on the set, we need dirty laundry
You don’t really need to find out what’s going on
You don’t really want to know just how far it’s gone.Participant[quote=pri_dk]
But apparently it’s “hard to argue with.”Hard to argue with the suggestion that Hitler was liberal?
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“The one who does not remember history is bound to live through it again” – George SantayanaLink to Google search for your perusal.
Last time I checked, socialism was towards the ‘left’ of the political spectrum. What happens if you keep going left on the political spectrum?
[quote surveyor]By the way, surveyors also call theodolites “guns.”
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A suspect was shot in the leg and two are on the loose after the would-be robbers tried to jack a group of surveyors packing heat.[/quote]
By that token, I have a whole bunch of guns… gun collector even.Some ‘gun porn’ for surveyor.
[img_assist|nid=14458|title=DKM3a|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=100|height=75]I bet the left side may now call me a NRA nut-job.
Participant[quote=pri_dk]
But apparently it’s “hard to argue with.”Hard to argue with the suggestion that Hitler was liberal?
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“The one who does not remember history is bound to live through it again” – George SantayanaLink to Google search for your perusal.
Last time I checked, socialism was towards the ‘left’ of the political spectrum. What happens if you keep going left on the political spectrum?
[quote surveyor]By the way, surveyors also call theodolites “guns.”
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A suspect was shot in the leg and two are on the loose after the would-be robbers tried to jack a group of surveyors packing heat.[/quote]
By that token, I have a whole bunch of guns… gun collector even.Some ‘gun porn’ for surveyor.
[img_assist|nid=14458|title=DKM3a|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=100|height=75]I bet the left side may now call me a NRA nut-job.
Participant[quote=pri_dk]
But apparently it’s “hard to argue with.”Hard to argue with the suggestion that Hitler was liberal?
[/quote]
“The one who does not remember history is bound to live through it again” – George SantayanaLink to Google search for your perusal.
Last time I checked, socialism was towards the ‘left’ of the political spectrum. What happens if you keep going left on the political spectrum?
[quote surveyor]By the way, surveyors also call theodolites “guns.”
.
.
A suspect was shot in the leg and two are on the loose after the would-be robbers tried to jack a group of surveyors packing heat.[/quote]
By that token, I have a whole bunch of guns… gun collector even.Some ‘gun porn’ for surveyor.
[img_assist|nid=14458|title=DKM3a|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=100|height=75]I bet the left side may now call me a NRA nut-job.
Participant[quote=pri_dk]
But apparently it’s “hard to argue with.”Hard to argue with the suggestion that Hitler was liberal?
[/quote]
“The one who does not remember history is bound to live through it again” – George SantayanaLink to Google search for your perusal.
Last time I checked, socialism was towards the ‘left’ of the political spectrum. What happens if you keep going left on the political spectrum?
[quote surveyor]By the way, surveyors also call theodolites “guns.”
.
.
A suspect was shot in the leg and two are on the loose after the would-be robbers tried to jack a group of surveyors packing heat.[/quote]
By that token, I have a whole bunch of guns… gun collector even.Some ‘gun porn’ for surveyor.
[img_assist|nid=14458|title=DKM3a|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=100|height=75]I bet the left side may now call me a NRA nut-job.
Participant[quote=pri_dk]
But apparently it’s “hard to argue with.”Hard to argue with the suggestion that Hitler was liberal?
[/quote]
“The one who does not remember history is bound to live through it again” – George SantayanaLink to Google search for your perusal.
Last time I checked, socialism was towards the ‘left’ of the political spectrum. What happens if you keep going left on the political spectrum?
[quote surveyor]By the way, surveyors also call theodolites “guns.”
.
.
A suspect was shot in the leg and two are on the loose after the would-be robbers tried to jack a group of surveyors packing heat.[/quote]
By that token, I have a whole bunch of guns… gun collector even.Some ‘gun porn’ for surveyor.
[img_assist|nid=14458|title=DKM3a|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=100|height=75]I bet the left side may now call me a NRA nut-job.
Participant[quote=jstoesz]
Oh, and EST here is some research for you…Not quite like “one flew over the cuckoos nest” anymore…http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electroconvulsive_therapy%5B/quote%5D
I know two people who were treated by ECT (not called EST).. and they were never the person they were before the treatment. One committed suicide a few years later. Patients treated with ECT became more like a withdrawn shell of their former self. ECT can be viewed as an aversive training, much like severe/brutal punishing of an animal. After the punishment, they tend to go around cowering.My personal belief is that ECT is a form of quackery put forth by psychologists who saw Skinner’s experiments (basically aversive training) and presumed it could be blindly applied to humans. It is a relatively easy form of ‘treatment’ where the psychologist doesn’t have to find the root cause for a problem in the patient, instead the psychologist presents the patient with the scenario of their psychosis and then zap..
BTW: The other person that I knew was treated by ECT was a young girl at the time, about 13, who my family suspected was raped and her psychosis at the time was her process of trying to cope with being raped by her father. From the time of her treatment on, she basically had to live in an assisted care facility; this from a former introverted by straight-A student.
Participant[quote=jstoesz]
Oh, and EST here is some research for you…Not quite like “one flew over the cuckoos nest” anymore…http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electroconvulsive_therapy%5B/quote%5D
I know two people who were treated by ECT (not called EST).. and they were never the person they were before the treatment. One committed suicide a few years later. Patients treated with ECT became more like a withdrawn shell of their former self. ECT can be viewed as an aversive training, much like severe/brutal punishing of an animal. After the punishment, they tend to go around cowering.My personal belief is that ECT is a form of quackery put forth by psychologists who saw Skinner’s experiments (basically aversive training) and presumed it could be blindly applied to humans. It is a relatively easy form of ‘treatment’ where the psychologist doesn’t have to find the root cause for a problem in the patient, instead the psychologist presents the patient with the scenario of their psychosis and then zap..
BTW: The other person that I knew was treated by ECT was a young girl at the time, about 13, who my family suspected was raped and her psychosis at the time was her process of trying to cope with being raped by her father. From the time of her treatment on, she basically had to live in an assisted care facility; this from a former introverted by straight-A student.
Participant[quote=jstoesz]
Oh, and EST here is some research for you…Not quite like “one flew over the cuckoos nest” anymore…http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electroconvulsive_therapy%5B/quote%5D
I know two people who were treated by ECT (not called EST).. and they were never the person they were before the treatment. One committed suicide a few years later. Patients treated with ECT became more like a withdrawn shell of their former self. ECT can be viewed as an aversive training, much like severe/brutal punishing of an animal. After the punishment, they tend to go around cowering.My personal belief is that ECT is a form of quackery put forth by psychologists who saw Skinner’s experiments (basically aversive training) and presumed it could be blindly applied to humans. It is a relatively easy form of ‘treatment’ where the psychologist doesn’t have to find the root cause for a problem in the patient, instead the psychologist presents the patient with the scenario of their psychosis and then zap..
BTW: The other person that I knew was treated by ECT was a young girl at the time, about 13, who my family suspected was raped and her psychosis at the time was her process of trying to cope with being raped by her father. From the time of her treatment on, she basically had to live in an assisted care facility; this from a former introverted by straight-A student.
Participant[quote=jstoesz]
Oh, and EST here is some research for you…Not quite like “one flew over the cuckoos nest” anymore…http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electroconvulsive_therapy%5B/quote%5D
I know two people who were treated by ECT (not called EST).. and they were never the person they were before the treatment. One committed suicide a few years later. Patients treated with ECT became more like a withdrawn shell of their former self. ECT can be viewed as an aversive training, much like severe/brutal punishing of an animal. After the punishment, they tend to go around cowering.My personal belief is that ECT is a form of quackery put forth by psychologists who saw Skinner’s experiments (basically aversive training) and presumed it could be blindly applied to humans. It is a relatively easy form of ‘treatment’ where the psychologist doesn’t have to find the root cause for a problem in the patient, instead the psychologist presents the patient with the scenario of their psychosis and then zap..
BTW: The other person that I knew was treated by ECT was a young girl at the time, about 13, who my family suspected was raped and her psychosis at the time was her process of trying to cope with being raped by her father. From the time of her treatment on, she basically had to live in an assisted care facility; this from a former introverted by straight-A student.
Participant[quote=jstoesz]
Oh, and EST here is some research for you…Not quite like “one flew over the cuckoos nest” anymore…http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electroconvulsive_therapy%5B/quote%5D
I know two people who were treated by ECT (not called EST).. and they were never the person they were before the treatment. One committed suicide a few years later. Patients treated with ECT became more like a withdrawn shell of their former self. ECT can be viewed as an aversive training, much like severe/brutal punishing of an animal. After the punishment, they tend to go around cowering.My personal belief is that ECT is a form of quackery put forth by psychologists who saw Skinner’s experiments (basically aversive training) and presumed it could be blindly applied to humans. It is a relatively easy form of ‘treatment’ where the psychologist doesn’t have to find the root cause for a problem in the patient, instead the psychologist presents the patient with the scenario of their psychosis and then zap..
BTW: The other person that I knew was treated by ECT was a young girl at the time, about 13, who my family suspected was raped and her psychosis at the time was her process of trying to cope with being raped by her father. From the time of her treatment on, she basically had to live in an assisted care facility; this from a former introverted by straight-A student.
Participant[quote=surveyor]
Obama: ‘If They Bring a Knife to the Fight, We Bring a Gun’ http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/06/14/obama-if-they-bring-a-knife-to-the-fight-we-bring-a-gun/%5B/quote%5D
Touché. And now the predictable push for more gun control, ignoring the fact that it doesn’t work. Washington DC had strict gun control, yet had very high murder rates. Mexico has extremely strict gun control and yet many border towns on the Mexican side are completely lawless. Its delusional to believe that someone who is thinking of taking a life would be dissuaded by making the possession of a firearm illegal. In considering murder, they have already exceeded the barrier posed by making the possession of a firearm illegal.What I am bothered by, is the general sense in this country of not wanting to get involved.. either to warn, stop or help. “It is not my problem.”, “It might be dangerous. They may get mad and come after you.”, “Let the police take care if it. They will find out about him and deal with it.”. The people who tried to take back the fourth plane on 9/11 showed what can be done. The people who stopped Richard Reid showed what can be done. Giffords’s intern also showed what can be done. Don’t wait for the ‘other guy’.. they may be waiting for you!
Participant[quote=surveyor]
Obama: ‘If They Bring a Knife to the Fight, We Bring a Gun’ http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/06/14/obama-if-they-bring-a-knife-to-the-fight-we-bring-a-gun/%5B/quote%5D
Touché. And now the predictable push for more gun control, ignoring the fact that it doesn’t work. Washington DC had strict gun control, yet had very high murder rates. Mexico has extremely strict gun control and yet many border towns on the Mexican side are completely lawless. Its delusional to believe that someone who is thinking of taking a life would be dissuaded by making the possession of a firearm illegal. In considering murder, they have already exceeded the barrier posed by making the possession of a firearm illegal.What I am bothered by, is the general sense in this country of not wanting to get involved.. either to warn, stop or help. “It is not my problem.”, “It might be dangerous. They may get mad and come after you.”, “Let the police take care if it. They will find out about him and deal with it.”. The people who tried to take back the fourth plane on 9/11 showed what can be done. The people who stopped Richard Reid showed what can be done. Giffords’s intern also showed what can be done. Don’t wait for the ‘other guy’.. they may be waiting for you!
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