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Russell – like you I’m facing a learning curve…

And Eugene – like you we’re having to augment the soil a lot… Fortunately, we’ve got a lot of good worms in our compost bin – so I’ve got good soil to amend with.

Our yard is a lot smaller than it used to be – what with the companion unit taking up a good chunk… we carved out spots to put the plants… we’ve got a ramp (handicap accessible) to get down to the companion unit… and the gap in the switchback is full of beans, peas and tomatos. We’ve got peppers under the fruit trees. We don’t have the room for corn and other space intensive veggies.

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Russell – like you I’m facing a learning curve…

And Eugene – like you we’re having to augment the soil a lot… Fortunately, we’ve got a lot of good worms in our compost bin – so I’ve got good soil to amend with.

Our yard is a lot smaller than it used to be – what with the companion unit taking up a good chunk… we carved out spots to put the plants… we’ve got a ramp (handicap accessible) to get down to the companion unit… and the gap in the switchback is full of beans, peas and tomatos. We’ve got peppers under the fruit trees. We don’t have the room for corn and other space intensive veggies.

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Russell – like you I’m facing a learning curve…

And Eugene – like you we’re having to augment the soil a lot… Fortunately, we’ve got a lot of good worms in our compost bin – so I’ve got good soil to amend with.

Our yard is a lot smaller than it used to be – what with the companion unit taking up a good chunk… we carved out spots to put the plants… we’ve got a ramp (handicap accessible) to get down to the companion unit… and the gap in the switchback is full of beans, peas and tomatos. We’ve got peppers under the fruit trees. We don’t have the room for corn and other space intensive veggies.

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If I’m reading this right – it doesn’t extend when you had to be under contract…. so to benefit you still had to be under contract by April 30th… this just lets the escrow companies, appraisors, etc have time to get it closed… things that are not under the control of the buyer.

But I couldn’t read the actual text of the amendment since it’s not posted on the senate website (yet)
http://www.senate.gov/pagelayout/legislative/a_three_sections_with_teasers/votes.htm

the only votes showing are two rejected amendments.

(It may get updated after I type this.)

While I’m not a fan of the 8K credit, I don’t see this as a big new boondoggle… it’s just a time extension on CLOSING, not when you had to be under contract.

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If I’m reading this right – it doesn’t extend when you had to be under contract…. so to benefit you still had to be under contract by April 30th… this just lets the escrow companies, appraisors, etc have time to get it closed… things that are not under the control of the buyer.

But I couldn’t read the actual text of the amendment since it’s not posted on the senate website (yet)
http://www.senate.gov/pagelayout/legislative/a_three_sections_with_teasers/votes.htm

the only votes showing are two rejected amendments.

(It may get updated after I type this.)

While I’m not a fan of the 8K credit, I don’t see this as a big new boondoggle… it’s just a time extension on CLOSING, not when you had to be under contract.

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If I’m reading this right – it doesn’t extend when you had to be under contract…. so to benefit you still had to be under contract by April 30th… this just lets the escrow companies, appraisors, etc have time to get it closed… things that are not under the control of the buyer.

But I couldn’t read the actual text of the amendment since it’s not posted on the senate website (yet)
http://www.senate.gov/pagelayout/legislative/a_three_sections_with_teasers/votes.htm

the only votes showing are two rejected amendments.

(It may get updated after I type this.)

While I’m not a fan of the 8K credit, I don’t see this as a big new boondoggle… it’s just a time extension on CLOSING, not when you had to be under contract.

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If I’m reading this right – it doesn’t extend when you had to be under contract…. so to benefit you still had to be under contract by April 30th… this just lets the escrow companies, appraisors, etc have time to get it closed… things that are not under the control of the buyer.

But I couldn’t read the actual text of the amendment since it’s not posted on the senate website (yet)
http://www.senate.gov/pagelayout/legislative/a_three_sections_with_teasers/votes.htm

the only votes showing are two rejected amendments.

(It may get updated after I type this.)

While I’m not a fan of the 8K credit, I don’t see this as a big new boondoggle… it’s just a time extension on CLOSING, not when you had to be under contract.

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If I’m reading this right – it doesn’t extend when you had to be under contract…. so to benefit you still had to be under contract by April 30th… this just lets the escrow companies, appraisors, etc have time to get it closed… things that are not under the control of the buyer.

But I couldn’t read the actual text of the amendment since it’s not posted on the senate website (yet)
http://www.senate.gov/pagelayout/legislative/a_three_sections_with_teasers/votes.htm

the only votes showing are two rejected amendments.

(It may get updated after I type this.)

While I’m not a fan of the 8K credit, I don’t see this as a big new boondoggle… it’s just a time extension on CLOSING, not when you had to be under contract.

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[quote=sdrealtor]Spend more time in Philly and you will be offended by it. Its not your world and is hard to see around here. Much more obvious there and in other parts of the country. While “eke-ing ot” an existence on public assistance they are also earning an income in various undergound economies if you know what I mean. Its not a situation I would want to be in either but it is pretty prevalent.

I wouldnt steal $100M even if I could get away with it but thats just me. I dont know that I would want that much money even if it was given to me and would likely give most of that away. With that much money comes alot of responsibility that I want no part of. Does that make me strange?[/quote]

I lived in Philly when the laws changed in the 90’s. My friends were all social workers. (How an engineer ended up with all social worker friends is a long story – but that’s who I met and made friends with when I moved there.) They saw the transition, and related it to me.

These friends were in the trenches – working with family services agencies with many of their clients in the projects.

I don’t think there’s as much fraud or people on welfare in Philly compared to pre-1996. People were booted off in droves. West Philly, North Philly – lots more people with jobs (or slinging crack) compared to previous. My one friend was specifically working with families on job skills and job interview skills – having to teach her clients basic stuff like show up on time, and dress presentable. But her clients were kicked off welfare whether they wanted to be or not.

I agree that prior to the change in the laws fraud was exceptionally bad – especially baby-daddy’s living off the welfare checks of their baby-mama’s.

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[quote=sdrealtor]Spend more time in Philly and you will be offended by it. Its not your world and is hard to see around here. Much more obvious there and in other parts of the country. While “eke-ing ot” an existence on public assistance they are also earning an income in various undergound economies if you know what I mean. Its not a situation I would want to be in either but it is pretty prevalent.

I wouldnt steal $100M even if I could get away with it but thats just me. I dont know that I would want that much money even if it was given to me and would likely give most of that away. With that much money comes alot of responsibility that I want no part of. Does that make me strange?[/quote]

I lived in Philly when the laws changed in the 90’s. My friends were all social workers. (How an engineer ended up with all social worker friends is a long story – but that’s who I met and made friends with when I moved there.) They saw the transition, and related it to me.

These friends were in the trenches – working with family services agencies with many of their clients in the projects.

I don’t think there’s as much fraud or people on welfare in Philly compared to pre-1996. People were booted off in droves. West Philly, North Philly – lots more people with jobs (or slinging crack) compared to previous. My one friend was specifically working with families on job skills and job interview skills – having to teach her clients basic stuff like show up on time, and dress presentable. But her clients were kicked off welfare whether they wanted to be or not.

I agree that prior to the change in the laws fraud was exceptionally bad – especially baby-daddy’s living off the welfare checks of their baby-mama’s.

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[quote=sdrealtor]Spend more time in Philly and you will be offended by it. Its not your world and is hard to see around here. Much more obvious there and in other parts of the country. While “eke-ing ot” an existence on public assistance they are also earning an income in various undergound economies if you know what I mean. Its not a situation I would want to be in either but it is pretty prevalent.

I wouldnt steal $100M even if I could get away with it but thats just me. I dont know that I would want that much money even if it was given to me and would likely give most of that away. With that much money comes alot of responsibility that I want no part of. Does that make me strange?[/quote]

I lived in Philly when the laws changed in the 90’s. My friends were all social workers. (How an engineer ended up with all social worker friends is a long story – but that’s who I met and made friends with when I moved there.) They saw the transition, and related it to me.

These friends were in the trenches – working with family services agencies with many of their clients in the projects.

I don’t think there’s as much fraud or people on welfare in Philly compared to pre-1996. People were booted off in droves. West Philly, North Philly – lots more people with jobs (or slinging crack) compared to previous. My one friend was specifically working with families on job skills and job interview skills – having to teach her clients basic stuff like show up on time, and dress presentable. But her clients were kicked off welfare whether they wanted to be or not.

I agree that prior to the change in the laws fraud was exceptionally bad – especially baby-daddy’s living off the welfare checks of their baby-mama’s.

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[quote=sdrealtor]Spend more time in Philly and you will be offended by it. Its not your world and is hard to see around here. Much more obvious there and in other parts of the country. While “eke-ing ot” an existence on public assistance they are also earning an income in various undergound economies if you know what I mean. Its not a situation I would want to be in either but it is pretty prevalent.

I wouldnt steal $100M even if I could get away with it but thats just me. I dont know that I would want that much money even if it was given to me and would likely give most of that away. With that much money comes alot of responsibility that I want no part of. Does that make me strange?[/quote]

I lived in Philly when the laws changed in the 90’s. My friends were all social workers. (How an engineer ended up with all social worker friends is a long story – but that’s who I met and made friends with when I moved there.) They saw the transition, and related it to me.

These friends were in the trenches – working with family services agencies with many of their clients in the projects.

I don’t think there’s as much fraud or people on welfare in Philly compared to pre-1996. People were booted off in droves. West Philly, North Philly – lots more people with jobs (or slinging crack) compared to previous. My one friend was specifically working with families on job skills and job interview skills – having to teach her clients basic stuff like show up on time, and dress presentable. But her clients were kicked off welfare whether they wanted to be or not.

I agree that prior to the change in the laws fraud was exceptionally bad – especially baby-daddy’s living off the welfare checks of their baby-mama’s.

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[quote=sdrealtor]Spend more time in Philly and you will be offended by it. Its not your world and is hard to see around here. Much more obvious there and in other parts of the country. While “eke-ing ot” an existence on public assistance they are also earning an income in various undergound economies if you know what I mean. Its not a situation I would want to be in either but it is pretty prevalent.

I wouldnt steal $100M even if I could get away with it but thats just me. I dont know that I would want that much money even if it was given to me and would likely give most of that away. With that much money comes alot of responsibility that I want no part of. Does that make me strange?[/quote]

I lived in Philly when the laws changed in the 90’s. My friends were all social workers. (How an engineer ended up with all social worker friends is a long story – but that’s who I met and made friends with when I moved there.) They saw the transition, and related it to me.

These friends were in the trenches – working with family services agencies with many of their clients in the projects.

I don’t think there’s as much fraud or people on welfare in Philly compared to pre-1996. People were booted off in droves. West Philly, North Philly – lots more people with jobs (or slinging crack) compared to previous. My one friend was specifically working with families on job skills and job interview skills – having to teach her clients basic stuff like show up on time, and dress presentable. But her clients were kicked off welfare whether they wanted to be or not.

I agree that prior to the change in the laws fraud was exceptionally bad – especially baby-daddy’s living off the welfare checks of their baby-mama’s.

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[quote=sdrealtor]BG
You proved my point and bolded what I wrote to make it even clearer. The Golden Triangle is the real white collar professional employment center.

I dont disagree downtown has grown and it clearly is the judical center but prop mgment, shipbuilders and airport workers are not white collar professionals.

When I talk about the Golden Triangle area I am also referring to the areas that lie just outside of it within a mile or two as this is the general area people are commuting to. In the Golden triangle area you have:

SAIC
QualComm
UCSD
Sharp Hospital
Children’s Hospital
Law Firm’s
Stock Brokerages
Scripps Hospital
VA Hospital
Green Hospital
Scripps Institute
Fortune 500 Pharmaceutical companies
Major military contractors (Raytheon etc)
Assorted Biotech/Medical Device/Pharmaceutical companies
Software Companies
Telecomm companies
Consulting firms
Investment Banking

I have missed plenty of others but this group comprises the vast majority of SD Counties largest employers (excluding the military of course).

I’m sure you know plenty of people who ride the trolley because that is your world. Its a bit of confirmation bias but outside of your world lies the most powerful economic engines of SD County.[/quote]

I have to agree with sdrealtor here… There are more white collar folks working around UTC, Torrey Pines, sorrento valley and sorrento mesa, than in downtown.

Heck – Qualcomm which is entirely located in the area described above (UTC, torrey pines, sorrento valley) alone probably employs more than the county employees at the county admin building and city workers who work downtown. (vs city/county workers who are outside of downtown.)

Don’t believe me – look at the traffic flow. This data is for 2006… but it’s the best I could do.

http://sandag.org/resources/demographics_and_other_data/transportation/adtv/sandiego_adt.pdf

Looking at traffic near freeway ramps…

La Jolla Village @ town centre – 63.3K cars/week.
Mira Mesa at Vista Sorrento – 78.3K cars/week
Genesee Ave @ Torrey Pines Rd – 47.3K cars/week.
Mira Mesa @ camino Ruiz – 61.5
Miramar @ Eastgate Mall – 66.9

Compared to downtown… I tried to look around freeway ramps:
10th @ A – 21.3K
1st @ Ash – 27.5k
11 @ ash – 20k
G @ 17th – 21.2k
Grape @ Columbia – 31.8k

I think… looking at the data, we can conclude more people commute to work in Sorrento Valley, torrey pines, UTC than commute to work downtown.

A quick look at the numbers… the numbers downtown are lower than the numbers in Kearny Mesa, which are lower than the numbers in Sorrento Valley/Torrey Pines/UTC

Fwiw – the worst traffic spot does appear to be near downtown – the stretch of North Harbor drive from Laurel to Harbor Drive… A whopping 99.2K cars/week. but that’s people commuting to the airport, not to downtown.

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[quote=sdrealtor]BG
You proved my point and bolded what I wrote to make it even clearer. The Golden Triangle is the real white collar professional employment center.

I dont disagree downtown has grown and it clearly is the judical center but prop mgment, shipbuilders and airport workers are not white collar professionals.

When I talk about the Golden Triangle area I am also referring to the areas that lie just outside of it within a mile or two as this is the general area people are commuting to. In the Golden triangle area you have:

SAIC
QualComm
UCSD
Sharp Hospital
Children’s Hospital
Law Firm’s
Stock Brokerages
Scripps Hospital
VA Hospital
Green Hospital
Scripps Institute
Fortune 500 Pharmaceutical companies
Major military contractors (Raytheon etc)
Assorted Biotech/Medical Device/Pharmaceutical companies
Software Companies
Telecomm companies
Consulting firms
Investment Banking

I have missed plenty of others but this group comprises the vast majority of SD Counties largest employers (excluding the military of course).

I’m sure you know plenty of people who ride the trolley because that is your world. Its a bit of confirmation bias but outside of your world lies the most powerful economic engines of SD County.[/quote]

I have to agree with sdrealtor here… There are more white collar folks working around UTC, Torrey Pines, sorrento valley and sorrento mesa, than in downtown.

Heck – Qualcomm which is entirely located in the area described above (UTC, torrey pines, sorrento valley) alone probably employs more than the county employees at the county admin building and city workers who work downtown. (vs city/county workers who are outside of downtown.)

Don’t believe me – look at the traffic flow. This data is for 2006… but it’s the best I could do.

http://sandag.org/resources/demographics_and_other_data/transportation/adtv/sandiego_adt.pdf

Looking at traffic near freeway ramps…

La Jolla Village @ town centre – 63.3K cars/week.
Mira Mesa at Vista Sorrento – 78.3K cars/week
Genesee Ave @ Torrey Pines Rd – 47.3K cars/week.
Mira Mesa @ camino Ruiz – 61.5
Miramar @ Eastgate Mall – 66.9

Compared to downtown… I tried to look around freeway ramps:
10th @ A – 21.3K
1st @ Ash – 27.5k
11 @ ash – 20k
G @ 17th – 21.2k
Grape @ Columbia – 31.8k

I think… looking at the data, we can conclude more people commute to work in Sorrento Valley, torrey pines, UTC than commute to work downtown.

A quick look at the numbers… the numbers downtown are lower than the numbers in Kearny Mesa, which are lower than the numbers in Sorrento Valley/Torrey Pines/UTC

Fwiw – the worst traffic spot does appear to be near downtown – the stretch of North Harbor drive from Laurel to Harbor Drive… A whopping 99.2K cars/week. but that’s people commuting to the airport, not to downtown.

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