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[quote=Rich Toscano]As is often the case, I think sdduuuude summed it up perfectly.

“I’d say this is the biggest non-issue of the decade.”

I think Prop 8 is stupid and offensive, but what’s even stupider is that people are getting so worked up about this picayune nonsense when there are really serious issues that many of the same people are being totally complacent about, e.g. the massive transfer of wealth to the financial industry, the potential for a US govt debt/currency crisis, and zombie jellyfish.

A lot of the really bad stuff that happens wouldn’t be allowed to happen if so many people weren’t so laser focused on the wrong things.[/quote]

Now I have to worry about zombie jellyfish? OMG. I was planning on going to the beach this weekend… Oh the humanity!!!!

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[quote=Rich Toscano]As is often the case, I think sdduuuude summed it up perfectly.

“I’d say this is the biggest non-issue of the decade.”

I think Prop 8 is stupid and offensive, but what’s even stupider is that people are getting so worked up about this picayune nonsense when there are really serious issues that many of the same people are being totally complacent about, e.g. the massive transfer of wealth to the financial industry, the potential for a US govt debt/currency crisis, and zombie jellyfish.

A lot of the really bad stuff that happens wouldn’t be allowed to happen if so many people weren’t so laser focused on the wrong things.[/quote]

Now I have to worry about zombie jellyfish? OMG. I was planning on going to the beach this weekend… Oh the humanity!!!!

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[quote=Rich Toscano]As is often the case, I think sdduuuude summed it up perfectly.

“I’d say this is the biggest non-issue of the decade.”

I think Prop 8 is stupid and offensive, but what’s even stupider is that people are getting so worked up about this picayune nonsense when there are really serious issues that many of the same people are being totally complacent about, e.g. the massive transfer of wealth to the financial industry, the potential for a US govt debt/currency crisis, and zombie jellyfish.

A lot of the really bad stuff that happens wouldn’t be allowed to happen if so many people weren’t so laser focused on the wrong things.[/quote]

Now I have to worry about zombie jellyfish? OMG. I was planning on going to the beach this weekend… Oh the humanity!!!!

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[quote=jpinpb]ocr – in effect, then, we can say Americans are getting fatter b/c they lack happiness and are seeking it through sugar and fat which are cheap, legal and readily available.

So maybe the solution would be to not only target diet and exercise, but to find other safer sources of happiness.

That will be a tricky one b/c the “happiness” derived from eating is the temporary rise in serotonin.

Are there other things that can raise serotonin that are safe? Music? Jogging? Bicycling? Hiking?

Here’s one for TG. Sex?

What are some things that people can engage in that will raise serotonin that are healthy?[/quote]

Prozac for the masses. It’s an SRI – my (potentially wrong) understanding of it is that Prozac and other SRI’s prevent the re absorption of Serotonin… so you have it in your brain longer. But I could be way off base on that.

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[quote=jpinpb]ocr – in effect, then, we can say Americans are getting fatter b/c they lack happiness and are seeking it through sugar and fat which are cheap, legal and readily available.

So maybe the solution would be to not only target diet and exercise, but to find other safer sources of happiness.

That will be a tricky one b/c the “happiness” derived from eating is the temporary rise in serotonin.

Are there other things that can raise serotonin that are safe? Music? Jogging? Bicycling? Hiking?

Here’s one for TG. Sex?

What are some things that people can engage in that will raise serotonin that are healthy?[/quote]

Prozac for the masses. It’s an SRI – my (potentially wrong) understanding of it is that Prozac and other SRI’s prevent the re absorption of Serotonin… so you have it in your brain longer. But I could be way off base on that.

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[quote=jpinpb]ocr – in effect, then, we can say Americans are getting fatter b/c they lack happiness and are seeking it through sugar and fat which are cheap, legal and readily available.

So maybe the solution would be to not only target diet and exercise, but to find other safer sources of happiness.

That will be a tricky one b/c the “happiness” derived from eating is the temporary rise in serotonin.

Are there other things that can raise serotonin that are safe? Music? Jogging? Bicycling? Hiking?

Here’s one for TG. Sex?

What are some things that people can engage in that will raise serotonin that are healthy?[/quote]

Prozac for the masses. It’s an SRI – my (potentially wrong) understanding of it is that Prozac and other SRI’s prevent the re absorption of Serotonin… so you have it in your brain longer. But I could be way off base on that.

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[quote=jpinpb]ocr – in effect, then, we can say Americans are getting fatter b/c they lack happiness and are seeking it through sugar and fat which are cheap, legal and readily available.

So maybe the solution would be to not only target diet and exercise, but to find other safer sources of happiness.

That will be a tricky one b/c the “happiness” derived from eating is the temporary rise in serotonin.

Are there other things that can raise serotonin that are safe? Music? Jogging? Bicycling? Hiking?

Here’s one for TG. Sex?

What are some things that people can engage in that will raise serotonin that are healthy?[/quote]

Prozac for the masses. It’s an SRI – my (potentially wrong) understanding of it is that Prozac and other SRI’s prevent the re absorption of Serotonin… so you have it in your brain longer. But I could be way off base on that.

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[quote=jpinpb]ocr – in effect, then, we can say Americans are getting fatter b/c they lack happiness and are seeking it through sugar and fat which are cheap, legal and readily available.

So maybe the solution would be to not only target diet and exercise, but to find other safer sources of happiness.

That will be a tricky one b/c the “happiness” derived from eating is the temporary rise in serotonin.

Are there other things that can raise serotonin that are safe? Music? Jogging? Bicycling? Hiking?

Here’s one for TG. Sex?

What are some things that people can engage in that will raise serotonin that are healthy?[/quote]

Prozac for the masses. It’s an SRI – my (potentially wrong) understanding of it is that Prozac and other SRI’s prevent the re absorption of Serotonin… so you have it in your brain longer. But I could be way off base on that.

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In some countries in Europe the legal aspects of “marriage” are a strictly civil affair. You go to the town hall and pay your fee, satisfy whatever legal requirements (blood tests, or residency, or waiting period…) There is no ceremony. It’s like an escrow closing – some signing of docs, and it’s over. The church handles the church/religious aspects and is completely unrelated to the civil/legal part.

I’m fine with that system.

Civil Unions are NOT equal to Marriage under U.S. Federal law. That’s a problem. Just look at your tax filings. I read that there’s 10’s of thousands of federal laws that refer to marital status.

There are quite a few countries that have legal same sex marriage. They have not been struck by lightning, burned up in fire and brimstone. As far as I know, the opposite sex marriages are still valid.

I’m straight. I’m married. My marriage is not in threat if a lesbian or gay couple gets married any more than it’s threatened if some immature couple like Bristol Palin and Levi Johnson actually make it to the alter. People around me make good marital choices and bad ones… it doesn’t affect MY marriage. My kids aren’t threatened. My kids already have classmates with 2 moms or 2 dads… this doesn’t change that. They also have friends who are kids of divorce, friends who’s parents never married. They see friends of ours who chose to never have children yet are still married. The world is not a homogeneous… families can have lots of children, no children, same sex parents, opposite sex parents, single parents… Some will be bonded by love, some by dysfunction… I’m not God, so I’m not going to judge other families.

Prop 8 is/was about denying rights to a group of citizens. I’m old enough to remember Loving v. Virginia. (I was a kid, but I remember it.) This is very similar, in my opinion.

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In some countries in Europe the legal aspects of “marriage” are a strictly civil affair. You go to the town hall and pay your fee, satisfy whatever legal requirements (blood tests, or residency, or waiting period…) There is no ceremony. It’s like an escrow closing – some signing of docs, and it’s over. The church handles the church/religious aspects and is completely unrelated to the civil/legal part.

I’m fine with that system.

Civil Unions are NOT equal to Marriage under U.S. Federal law. That’s a problem. Just look at your tax filings. I read that there’s 10’s of thousands of federal laws that refer to marital status.

There are quite a few countries that have legal same sex marriage. They have not been struck by lightning, burned up in fire and brimstone. As far as I know, the opposite sex marriages are still valid.

I’m straight. I’m married. My marriage is not in threat if a lesbian or gay couple gets married any more than it’s threatened if some immature couple like Bristol Palin and Levi Johnson actually make it to the alter. People around me make good marital choices and bad ones… it doesn’t affect MY marriage. My kids aren’t threatened. My kids already have classmates with 2 moms or 2 dads… this doesn’t change that. They also have friends who are kids of divorce, friends who’s parents never married. They see friends of ours who chose to never have children yet are still married. The world is not a homogeneous… families can have lots of children, no children, same sex parents, opposite sex parents, single parents… Some will be bonded by love, some by dysfunction… I’m not God, so I’m not going to judge other families.

Prop 8 is/was about denying rights to a group of citizens. I’m old enough to remember Loving v. Virginia. (I was a kid, but I remember it.) This is very similar, in my opinion.

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In some countries in Europe the legal aspects of “marriage” are a strictly civil affair. You go to the town hall and pay your fee, satisfy whatever legal requirements (blood tests, or residency, or waiting period…) There is no ceremony. It’s like an escrow closing – some signing of docs, and it’s over. The church handles the church/religious aspects and is completely unrelated to the civil/legal part.

I’m fine with that system.

Civil Unions are NOT equal to Marriage under U.S. Federal law. That’s a problem. Just look at your tax filings. I read that there’s 10’s of thousands of federal laws that refer to marital status.

There are quite a few countries that have legal same sex marriage. They have not been struck by lightning, burned up in fire and brimstone. As far as I know, the opposite sex marriages are still valid.

I’m straight. I’m married. My marriage is not in threat if a lesbian or gay couple gets married any more than it’s threatened if some immature couple like Bristol Palin and Levi Johnson actually make it to the alter. People around me make good marital choices and bad ones… it doesn’t affect MY marriage. My kids aren’t threatened. My kids already have classmates with 2 moms or 2 dads… this doesn’t change that. They also have friends who are kids of divorce, friends who’s parents never married. They see friends of ours who chose to never have children yet are still married. The world is not a homogeneous… families can have lots of children, no children, same sex parents, opposite sex parents, single parents… Some will be bonded by love, some by dysfunction… I’m not God, so I’m not going to judge other families.

Prop 8 is/was about denying rights to a group of citizens. I’m old enough to remember Loving v. Virginia. (I was a kid, but I remember it.) This is very similar, in my opinion.

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In some countries in Europe the legal aspects of “marriage” are a strictly civil affair. You go to the town hall and pay your fee, satisfy whatever legal requirements (blood tests, or residency, or waiting period…) There is no ceremony. It’s like an escrow closing – some signing of docs, and it’s over. The church handles the church/religious aspects and is completely unrelated to the civil/legal part.

I’m fine with that system.

Civil Unions are NOT equal to Marriage under U.S. Federal law. That’s a problem. Just look at your tax filings. I read that there’s 10’s of thousands of federal laws that refer to marital status.

There are quite a few countries that have legal same sex marriage. They have not been struck by lightning, burned up in fire and brimstone. As far as I know, the opposite sex marriages are still valid.

I’m straight. I’m married. My marriage is not in threat if a lesbian or gay couple gets married any more than it’s threatened if some immature couple like Bristol Palin and Levi Johnson actually make it to the alter. People around me make good marital choices and bad ones… it doesn’t affect MY marriage. My kids aren’t threatened. My kids already have classmates with 2 moms or 2 dads… this doesn’t change that. They also have friends who are kids of divorce, friends who’s parents never married. They see friends of ours who chose to never have children yet are still married. The world is not a homogeneous… families can have lots of children, no children, same sex parents, opposite sex parents, single parents… Some will be bonded by love, some by dysfunction… I’m not God, so I’m not going to judge other families.

Prop 8 is/was about denying rights to a group of citizens. I’m old enough to remember Loving v. Virginia. (I was a kid, but I remember it.) This is very similar, in my opinion.

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In some countries in Europe the legal aspects of “marriage” are a strictly civil affair. You go to the town hall and pay your fee, satisfy whatever legal requirements (blood tests, or residency, or waiting period…) There is no ceremony. It’s like an escrow closing – some signing of docs, and it’s over. The church handles the church/religious aspects and is completely unrelated to the civil/legal part.

I’m fine with that system.

Civil Unions are NOT equal to Marriage under U.S. Federal law. That’s a problem. Just look at your tax filings. I read that there’s 10’s of thousands of federal laws that refer to marital status.

There are quite a few countries that have legal same sex marriage. They have not been struck by lightning, burned up in fire and brimstone. As far as I know, the opposite sex marriages are still valid.

I’m straight. I’m married. My marriage is not in threat if a lesbian or gay couple gets married any more than it’s threatened if some immature couple like Bristol Palin and Levi Johnson actually make it to the alter. People around me make good marital choices and bad ones… it doesn’t affect MY marriage. My kids aren’t threatened. My kids already have classmates with 2 moms or 2 dads… this doesn’t change that. They also have friends who are kids of divorce, friends who’s parents never married. They see friends of ours who chose to never have children yet are still married. The world is not a homogeneous… families can have lots of children, no children, same sex parents, opposite sex parents, single parents… Some will be bonded by love, some by dysfunction… I’m not God, so I’m not going to judge other families.

Prop 8 is/was about denying rights to a group of citizens. I’m old enough to remember Loving v. Virginia. (I was a kid, but I remember it.) This is very similar, in my opinion.

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[quote=temeculaguy]Morally corrupt?? So the world used to be better? By my calculations, almost the entire history of mankind was far more morally corrupt than it is today. Slavery existed in most parts of the globe, not just in this country and not just blacks, people all over the world, entire cultures and races were enslaved, how does that stack up morally vs. the supposed decay we have today. How about the routine genocide, raping and pillaging that went on for centuries, were those the good ole days? The only countries that practice God’s law today, where religion supercedes the will of the people, are mostly islamic countries and they can be the most repressive, but they read a different book so you can dismiss them.

I all for your right to believe what you want, I know my words wont change your opinion but you have to realize that for most of us, religious texts aren’t to be taken literally. They were verbally handed down for generations, modified for political and economic reasons over time and sometimes were in another language that doesn’t always translate well enough to use as a legal argument. I’m gonna die one day, probably within a few decades and I am so excited to finally figure it all out. I’ll wager a beer in heaven that the number of commandments was not ten, somebody took one out or slipped one in, I just know it (Don’t be dick to waiters was probably number 11, but that’s another topic). I just love talking to the guys that doorknock on Saturday mornings cause their version of the rules says god’s law forbids certain celebrations. I always argue that one with them, I’m nice, I tell them they are good people but I think somebody was in a bad mood and edited their book long ago. Why would god hate valentines day? I hate the taste of those little chalk flavored hearts as much as the next guy, but it’s just fun to show affection and to teach kids to give a card to all the girls, it’s your earliest exposure to net fishing. Birthday’s, who doesn’t like cake and ice cream and singing songs, why does hate that? My god is cool with that, my god prefers that to telling people they are wrong for feeling the way they do even when they don’t hurt anyone else in the process. I’m gonna miss football and basketball, I’ll probably miss porn (can’t imagine any god allows internet porn which is why I’m getting my quota in now) but what i wont miss is people telling me what god says, I really think it will be awesome to get into a religious argument and just say, “whatever, let’s just call him, I’ve got his cell phone number.”[/quote]

TG – you owe me a keyboard and a new blouse… I’ve got coffee on both. I love the netfishing part. Seriously love it.

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[quote=temeculaguy]Morally corrupt?? So the world used to be better? By my calculations, almost the entire history of mankind was far more morally corrupt than it is today. Slavery existed in most parts of the globe, not just in this country and not just blacks, people all over the world, entire cultures and races were enslaved, how does that stack up morally vs. the supposed decay we have today. How about the routine genocide, raping and pillaging that went on for centuries, were those the good ole days? The only countries that practice God’s law today, where religion supercedes the will of the people, are mostly islamic countries and they can be the most repressive, but they read a different book so you can dismiss them.

I all for your right to believe what you want, I know my words wont change your opinion but you have to realize that for most of us, religious texts aren’t to be taken literally. They were verbally handed down for generations, modified for political and economic reasons over time and sometimes were in another language that doesn’t always translate well enough to use as a legal argument. I’m gonna die one day, probably within a few decades and I am so excited to finally figure it all out. I’ll wager a beer in heaven that the number of commandments was not ten, somebody took one out or slipped one in, I just know it (Don’t be dick to waiters was probably number 11, but that’s another topic). I just love talking to the guys that doorknock on Saturday mornings cause their version of the rules says god’s law forbids certain celebrations. I always argue that one with them, I’m nice, I tell them they are good people but I think somebody was in a bad mood and edited their book long ago. Why would god hate valentines day? I hate the taste of those little chalk flavored hearts as much as the next guy, but it’s just fun to show affection and to teach kids to give a card to all the girls, it’s your earliest exposure to net fishing. Birthday’s, who doesn’t like cake and ice cream and singing songs, why does hate that? My god is cool with that, my god prefers that to telling people they are wrong for feeling the way they do even when they don’t hurt anyone else in the process. I’m gonna miss football and basketball, I’ll probably miss porn (can’t imagine any god allows internet porn which is why I’m getting my quota in now) but what i wont miss is people telling me what god says, I really think it will be awesome to get into a religious argument and just say, “whatever, let’s just call him, I’ve got his cell phone number.”[/quote]

TG – you owe me a keyboard and a new blouse… I’ve got coffee on both. I love the netfishing part. Seriously love it.

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