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ParticipantYes that’s what the Ivy hall types keep trying to sell the public, but the buyers are voting with their pocket books and the builders are listening.
If I lived in Woodbury, I would move,” Marohn said. “I would not be confident the house would hold its value over time.”
FAMILIES PREFER SUBURBS
But that isn’t what’s going to happen, said Danks of the Builders Association.
Danks said the study underestimates the demand — and doesn’t understand why buyers favor single-family homes.
She said the report asked misleading questions of the millennials. “If you ask them, they will say, sure, they want to be downtown. When I was that age, that’s what I wanted,” Danks said.
As they get older and raise families, they will migrate to the suburbs, she said.
That’s what Dave DuBay did. In August, DuBay moved with his wife and three children from St. Paul into a house about twice as big in Lakeville.
“We moved to the city when we did not have kids, and moved to the suburbs when we did,” said DuBay, 42.
The house, in the Spirit of Brandtjen Farm development, is a four-bedroom home on one-third of an acre.
One reason for the move was the development’s slew of amenities, including a community pool, clubhouse with gym, and bike trails.
“The neighborhood is fantastic,” DuBay said.
A report from the National Association of Realtors supports Danks’ theory. The report said the percentage of homebuyers who bought single-family homes increased steadily from 75 percent in 2006 to 80 percent in 2013.
That’s been John Lockner’s experience. He sells homes in Woodbury for RE/MAX Results — and sales are booming.
“As long as there is market demand, the single-family home is what builders will be wedded to,” said Lockner, a former president of the St. Paul Area Association of Realtors.
Developers of urban apartments say they are more environmentally friendly because their occupants use less gasoline, as well as less water and electricity. But Lockner said the appeal of environmental friendliness is overestimated.ParticipantI have to go with svelte, but maybe smaller.
I live in suburbia precisely because I don’t want to live in a dense congested area. I don’t mind going to a shopping center that has lot’s of small restaurants and chain restaurants etc… maybe even close to the mall like in Carlsbad off the 78,But I don’t think I want to live any closer to a large business park than say 5 miles or 10 miles from anything that looks like downtown (I don’t want the congestion that close to me).
Anyway, My perfect day is a little work in the yard, followed by a walk on the beach then dinner with the wife at a quiet restaurant (such is the life of a suburbanite LOL)
ParticipantHappy New Year !! flu
Lets hope things calm down some this year.
Participant[quote=FlyerInHi][quote=AN] Carlsbad, Oceanside, Encinitas, Vista, San Marcos are all cities, not suburbs. Carmel Valley, Rancho Bernardo, Rancho Penasquitos, Mira Mesa, Clairemont, etc. are suburbs. They all don’t have true town centers.[/quote]
I agree.
I’m however just waiting for someone to say that those neighborhoods you mentioned are not suburbs. They are within the city of San diego. haha…[/quote]
If it is within the same county I think you can call it a suburb of the main City (one man’s city is another man’s suburb LOL)
Even Simi Valley is considered a suburb of L.A. by almost anyone you ask and it is in Ventura county LOL.
200k population is considered a big city in most states, in Socal it’s a suburb.
Participant[quote=FlyerInHi][quote=spdrun]Most of the northern suburbs of San Diego have town centers along the coast. If you lived and worked in Carlsbad, Oceanside, or Encinitas, or lived there and worked in downtown SD near Santa Fe Terminal, you could likely do without a car, as much as you could in many East Coast or Chicago burbs.[/quote]
yeah, the jobs and housing in NY metro are near public transport.. But in San Diego, it’s not that way, unless you work for the government like County/City government.[/quote]
Oh LOL that’s exactly L.A., the Gov workers made sure the trains ran to where THEY worked, but you can’t get to lax to save you life on public transport.
Or you Job.
Participant[quote=FlyerInHi][quote=The-Shoveler]
But anyway I guess the CV Residents who want to live is a uncrowded suburb will just have to move LOL.Just kidding sort of.[/quote]
Maybe they do. If we can fit in 5 more Qualcomms and their employees all the better.
They can sell and take their cash with them.[/quote]The next QCOM will probably start in the area where they move TO, maybe Carlsbad LOL.
Kind of what happened in the L.A. area over the last 20 or so years, it just moves from conga park, to Simi Valley, then to west lake, then to Ventura , then to Valencia. Now days Arcadia (it not like the bay area where everyone stays in one place).
ParticipantThe L.A. Valleys area’s were not.
But anyway I guess the CV Residents who want to live is a uncrowded suburb will just have to move LOL.
Just kidding sort of.
ParticipantAN I really don’t have a lot of time to waste to do this, but anyway,
In the 1970’s downtown San Jose was small town-esh and a total dump,
It was torn down and rebuilt
http://www.asla.org/ppn/Article.aspx?id=33863same for most of the San Fernando & San Gabriel Valleys.
My contention is that development will come when the community is ready for it, there is no need to force it.
When the community is ready it will happen.
Participant[quote=AN]suburb. Have you seen very many suburb with no urban core reinvent/grow itself and add an urban core?
[/quote]Yes, take a drive through the San Fernando valley.
Even some parts of San Jose.
Also the Asian communities in Diamond Bar, San Gabriel, etc.. even Arcadia now
ParticipantThat’s kind of the point, it grows organically as a location matures and grows, it’s not force fed.
When the owner of an old outdated strip mall is suddenly offered 20-50 million for his land, the Biz owners will most likely get something too, it just kind of works itself out.
ParticipantMe I think high density development should happen like it did in L.A.
It mostly occurred by developers buying up old dilapidated parts of downtown (or near downtown), tearing it down and re-developing the area.
To me that is more natural and organic instead of just force feeding and using hormones type of development.Anyway not my fight but just does not seem like the right way to do this type of thing.
ParticipantIn a lot of North county rural area’s the Land owner’s would love to subdivide their lot(s) but the county has imposed a 20 acre minimum lot size for subdividing the lots into separate buildable lots (that’s a lot of land just sitting there in most cases LOL).
I am not sure whether it’s nimbyism or environmentalism LOL.
Anyway not my fight but I can understand the people opposing it just because they don’t want it in their back yard at the same time.
ParticipantLike AN I don’t have a dog in this fight, but I do kind of disagree with flyer in that compared to L.A and most of OC, SD does have quite a bit of buildable land left IMO.
It just needs to be re-zoned in a lot of cases (like the 20 acre minimum in a lot of North county rural areas).
Anyway I would probably not want it in my back yard either, kind of starts to turn your nice suburb into more of a big city type of place.
I think New-port beach kind of had it right, Put High end Hotels next to your dense shopping and biz buildings if your going to have them.
ParticipantHP’s master plan: Build an ecosystem for its 3D printing technology in 2015 with general availability in the second half of 2016.
http://www.zdnet.com/article/hp-to-enter-3d-printing-market-in-2016-will-customers-wait/
I think it will be great once they get the price down to a reasonable level. HP’s plan is to have one in every home.
The first PC’s were actually quite expensive (back in the 80’s). 3D will be the same, expensive at first then very reasonable.
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