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No longer our little secret.

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/2015/jul/21/qualcomm-jana-activist-layoffs-strategic-review/

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There are small pockets of California that have ordinances dealing with protecting views. Mostly in high-dollar areas.

But for the most part, views aren’t protected. I would guess PB falls into the latter category.

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Why are you bringing 2012 Leafs up, as the article didn’t say anything about the 2012s being used in the calculation, and they specifically picked the 2013s in their figures

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Not sure – past performance of the 2013? I did find the 2016 forecasts interesting and am anxious to see if they pan out.

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Yes I’ve spent over 50K on a new car a few times. But I don’t do it often – we keep our cars at least a decade in most cases and I still own every car I’ve bought over the 50K mark.

I rented a Tahoe on a trip once…black with black leather. Very nice vehicle and I can see why someone would buy it if they regularly need to tow something or regularly haul a bunch of folks and their luggage around. But that’s not what I do so I would never buy one…especially new. And I had to herd it down the road – not exactly precise steering. That didn’t really bother me until I had done it several hundred miles. Then it became tiresome.

I think you have a large fam paramount so I can see why you’d be drawn to it. But since they use standard Chevy powerplants, you could probably buy a nice condition used one and throw a new motor in it down the line fairly cheaply.

As I said, nice cars and I can see the draw. Just not for me.

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But only 48 days having sex.

Come on, some of you all are pulling down the average!!

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Not telling the whole story here.

Take the Nissan LEAF SL 2015 model, selling at average price of $30k on Autotrader. Minus the $10k fed/ca rebate, and you are looking at a $20k car.
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I’m guessing you own or lease a Leaf.

I just did a search of all 2015 Leafs within 25 miles of my house, came up with 98 (that’s a lot!) with an average price of $31.7K. Even if you factor in a $10K rebate, that brings the price to $21.7K.

I did the same check for2013 Leafs, 2015 Jukes and 2013 Jukes.

2015 Leafs (98) – $31.7K average
2013 Leafs (13) – $15.3K average
Average drop: 30% (if rebate factored in)
Average drop: 52% (without factoring rebate)

2015 Jukes (7) – $28.2 average
2013 Jukes (11) = $19.2 average
Average drop: 32%

So from that aspect, you are correct that the Leaf is dropping as much as other small Nissans.

But for some reason you neglected to compare it to the Volt. Within 25 miles of my house:

2015 Volts (96) – $35.3K average
2013 Volts (3) – $20.4K average
Average drop: 19.5% (if rebate factored in)
Average drop: 43% (without factoring rebate)

So the EV with backup gas motor is holding up much better price-wise than the full electric. By a pretty wide margin.

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2 years old 2013 SL model is at $15k, so that’s a slide of $5k in 2 years, or 25%.

A new 2015 Nissan Juke SL is averaging $25k on Autotrader.

The 2 year old 2013 SL model is selling at $19k, essentially at 25% as well.

There’s a well known problem with the batteries of the first generation LEAFs from 2011-12, the 2012 SL are averaging for about $10k on Autotrader. Essentially another 25% drop from that 2nd to 3rd year. This is not seen in the Juke as the 2012s are going for about $17.5k. But then the 2012 Juke does not have a known defect.

So can one really use the steep drop seen in the 2012 LEAFs as a guide to anticipate a similar drop with the 2013 LEAFs?
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Why are you bringing 2012 Leafs up, as the article didn’t say anything about the 2012s being used in the calculation, and they specifically picked the 2013s in their figures.

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That Mitsubishi MiEV tops out at 60 miles on range, nobody buys it.
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I concur that the MiEV really isn’t even in the running. I’m not even sure I’ve ever laid eyes on one.

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[quote=AN]It’s crazy how much the Leaf fall in value. You can pick up a Certified pre-owned 2013 Leaf SL with <20k miles for ~$16k. New, they're going for around $30k after tax rebate. 1/2 off in 2 years. I'm seriously thinking of picking up one and switch over to TOU. If I go with a 2012 model, I can pick one with only 26k miles for $10k.[/quote]

Well if they didn't want it to fall, they shouldn't have named it the Leaf. lol.

Used EV prices are getting slammed right now.

https://www.yahoo.com/autos/used-evs-hit-by-plunging-values-could-give-savvy-124255982617.html

An auction company published the following table:

Jul 2015 value / est. Jul 2016 value / % decline

2013 Nissan LEAF SL $14,900 / $7,650 / 48.7%

2012 Mitsu I-MiEV $7,950 / $4,400 / 44.7%

2013 Tesla Model S Perf $74,000 / $52,500 / 28.9%

2013 Chevy Volt $18,600 / $14,800 / 20.4%

2013 Ford Fusion
Energi Titanium $25,600 /$23,100 / 9.8%

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NOTW – Numbskull Opinions Transmitted Worldwide

or

NOTW – National Oversized Tit Worshippers

take your pick.

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I thought this was timely.

http://www.10news.com/news/u-s-world/woman-who-got-153-robocalls-awarded-nearly-230k

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Wow – that’s quite a difference between Jun and Jan! Jan is about a third of June!

Thanks, it gives me an idea of what to expect.

And yeah looks like 2015 has had more poor days where you’re at.

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Looks like prices haven’t changed much in 5 years.

http://piggington.com/how_much_do_you_pay_your_housekeeper

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[quote=AN][quote=svelte]Polygamy – I’ve never really understood the country’s aversion to that. Guess I wouldn’t oppose it, but would probably put some sort of limitation on drawing public assistance. Ain’t gonna happen anyway, so I don’t spend much time thinking about it.

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Would you put the same limitation on drawing public assistance for straight and gay couples?

Does it matter if their relationships last? Straight divorce rate is around 50%, it’ll be interesting to see what the divorce rate would be for gay couples.[/quote]

Question A: Would be fine by me. Could be something general such as if you’re on public assistance for more than 2 years and have more than 5 kids attached to the marriage network, all persons in the marriage network (even if just 2 ppl) are required to go through sterilization to continue benefits. Works for 2 person marriages and plural marriages.

Full disclosure – my family research the last few years has turned up quite a few polygamists in my tree. Yeah, a lot of my family is Mormon. It didn’t have any effect on my opinion, but was quite an interesting find.

Problem is: If Andy can have five wives, can his wife Mary have five husbands? And can one of Mary’s husbands, Paul, have eight other wives? The marriage network would get very confusing…probably not a good idea.

Second question: personally I’ve pushed getting rid of marriage altogether for over a decade now. People should be together because they want to be, not because they are legally bound. Just my opinion. I’m not with my wife today because I signed a paper, I can tell you that.

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Congrats to my LGB friends by the way…I’m dancing on air today! 🙂

Very historic…

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[quote=AN][quote=FlyerInHi]AN, nothing is stopping legislators from passing laws to affirm the Supreme Court’s decision.

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I think it would take a constitutional amendment and that probably is not even possible at this point. As more and more old farts pass away, it becomes less likely every day.

Polygamy – I’ve never really understood the country’s aversion to that. Guess I wouldn’t oppose it, but would probably put some sort of limitation on drawing public assistance. Ain’t gonna happen anyway, so I don’t spend much time thinking about it.

I’ve known several ppl in 3some relationships. They never seem to be long-lasting, though I’m sure some have.

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I think the key is to have a dedicated laundry room that is not in the traffic path.

We have a laundry room that is off the hallway (not part of the hallway) so we can leave the front-loading washer door open at all times. Never had an odor issue.

We love the front loading (heh) and recommend getting the drawers underneath so that the washer/dryer doors are at a reasonable height. That eliminates stooping over and is much more of a plus than I would have ever imagined.

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