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Again, gandalf: reading comprehension. I’ve already answered some of your assertions.
1) Whether Obama is seen as conservative or liberal in foreign policy circles is irrelevant. It’s terrific for talking points and people who rely on soundbites instead of factual analysis, but ultimately it is unimportant.
2) His lack of knowledge and understanding regarding history makes any foreign policy approaches by him highly questionable.
3) His tendency to regard the war on terrorism as a correllary to a war on poverty displays a lack of concern on how terrorism is being fueled by Islamofacism.
4) As Allan has pointed out correctly, the writer Zakaria is a well-known internationalist and views America as a waning power soon to be replaced.
5) Lastly, anyone can label policies as pragmatic, realistic, idealistic. Are the policies and analyses of the problem correct? In both cases, neither presidential candidate gets it right. Obama just gets it more wrong. Call it liberal or conservative, it’s still wrong.
Participantreadings
Again, gandalf: reading comprehension. I’ve already answered some of your assertions.
1) Whether Obama is seen as conservative or liberal in foreign policy circles is irrelevant. It’s terrific for talking points and people who rely on soundbites instead of factual analysis, but ultimately it is unimportant.
2) His lack of knowledge and understanding regarding history makes any foreign policy approaches by him highly questionable.
3) His tendency to regard the war on terrorism as a correllary to a war on poverty displays a lack of concern on how terrorism is being fueled by Islamofacism.
4) As Allan has pointed out correctly, the writer Zakaria is a well-known internationalist and views America as a waning power soon to be replaced.
5) Lastly, anyone can label policies as pragmatic, realistic, idealistic. Are the policies and analyses of the problem correct? In both cases, neither presidential candidate gets it right. Obama just gets it more wrong. Call it liberal or conservative, it’s still wrong.
Participantreadings
Again, gandalf: reading comprehension. I’ve already answered some of your assertions.
1) Whether Obama is seen as conservative or liberal in foreign policy circles is irrelevant. It’s terrific for talking points and people who rely on soundbites instead of factual analysis, but ultimately it is unimportant.
2) His lack of knowledge and understanding regarding history makes any foreign policy approaches by him highly questionable.
3) His tendency to regard the war on terrorism as a correllary to a war on poverty displays a lack of concern on how terrorism is being fueled by Islamofacism.
4) As Allan has pointed out correctly, the writer Zakaria is a well-known internationalist and views America as a waning power soon to be replaced.
5) Lastly, anyone can label policies as pragmatic, realistic, idealistic. Are the policies and analyses of the problem correct? In both cases, neither presidential candidate gets it right. Obama just gets it more wrong. Call it liberal or conservative, it’s still wrong.
Participantquality control
Certainly, gandalf, Obama’s a busy man. With the money he raises, I hope he can afford a more detail oriented speechwriter. Certainly the least he could do is proofread the speeches.
(BTW: proofreading is a basic requirement of all speechmakers. A speechmaker not proofreading his speeches is a person derelict in his duties and details. Not good for a presidential candidate).
Obama List
1. Last May, he claimed that tornadoes in Kansas killed a whopping 10,000 people: “In case you missed it, this week, there was a tragedy in Kansas. Ten thousand people died — an entire town destroyed.” The actual death toll: 12.
2. Earlier this month in Oregon, he redrew the map of the United States: “Over the last 15 months, we’ve traveled to every corner of the United States. I’ve now been in 57 states? I think one left to go.”
3. Last week, in front of a roaring Sioux Falls, S.D., audience, Obama exulted: “Thank you, Sioux City. … I said it wrong. I’ve been in Iowa for too long. I’m sorry.”
4. Explaining last week why he was trailing Hillary Clinton in Kentucky, Obama again botched basic geography: “Sen. Clinton, I think, is much better known, coming from a nearby state of Arkansas. So it’s not surprising that she would have an advantage in some of those states in the middle.” On what map is Arkansas closer to Kentucky than Illinois?
5. Obama has as much trouble with numbers as he has with maps. Last March, on the anniversary of the Bloody Sunday march in Selma, Ala., he claimed his parents united as a direct result of the civil rights movement: “There was something stirring across the country because of what happened in Selma, Ala., because some folks are willing to march across a bridge. So they got together and Barack Obama Jr. was born.”
Obama was born in 1961. The Selma march took place in 1965. His spokesman, Bill Burton, later explained that Obama was “speaking metaphorically about the civil-rights movement as a whole.”
6. Earlier this month in Cape Girardeau, Mo., Obama showed off his knowledge of the war in Afghanistan by homing in on a lack of translators: “We only have a certain number of them, and if they are all in Iraq, then it’s harder for us to use them in Afghanistan.” The real reason it’s “harder for us to use them” in Afghanistan: Iraqis speak Arabic or Kurdish. The Afghanis speak Pashto, Farsi, or other non-Arabic languages.
7. Over the weekend in Oregon, Obama pleaded ignorance of the decades-old, multibillion-dollar massive Hanford nuclear-waste cleanup: “Here’s something that you will rarely hear from a politician, and that is that I’m not familiar with the Hanford, uuuuhh, site, so I don’t know exactly what’s going on there. (Applause.) Now, having said that, I promise you I’ll learn about it by the time I leave here on the ride back to the airport.”
I assume on that ride, a staffer reminded him that he’s voted on at least one defense-authorization bill that addressed the “costs, schedules, and technical issues” dealing with the nation’s most contaminated nuclear-waste site.
8. Last March, the Chicago Tribune reported this little-noticed nugget about a fake autobiographical detail in Obama’s Dreams from My Father: “Then, there’s the copy of Life magazine that Obama presents as his racial awakening at age 9. In it, he wrote, was an article and two accompanying photographs of an African-American man physically and mentally scarred by his efforts to lighten his skin. In fact, the Life article and the photographs don’t exist, say the magazine’s own historians.”
9. And in perhaps the most seriously troubling set of gaffes of them all, Obama told a Portland crowd over the weekend that Iran doesn’t “pose a serious threat to us” — cluelessly arguing that “tiny countries” with small defense budgets can’t do us harm — and then promptly flip-flopped the next day, claiming, “I’ve made it clear for years that the threat from Iran is grave.”
10. Obama: Throughout our history, America’s confronted constantly evolving danger, from the oppression of an empire, to the lawlessness of the frontier, from the bomb that fell on Pearl Harbor, to the threat of nuclear annihilation. Americans have adapted to the threats posed by an ever-changing world.
Participantquality control
Certainly, gandalf, Obama’s a busy man. With the money he raises, I hope he can afford a more detail oriented speechwriter. Certainly the least he could do is proofread the speeches.
(BTW: proofreading is a basic requirement of all speechmakers. A speechmaker not proofreading his speeches is a person derelict in his duties and details. Not good for a presidential candidate).
Obama List
1. Last May, he claimed that tornadoes in Kansas killed a whopping 10,000 people: “In case you missed it, this week, there was a tragedy in Kansas. Ten thousand people died — an entire town destroyed.” The actual death toll: 12.
2. Earlier this month in Oregon, he redrew the map of the United States: “Over the last 15 months, we’ve traveled to every corner of the United States. I’ve now been in 57 states? I think one left to go.”
3. Last week, in front of a roaring Sioux Falls, S.D., audience, Obama exulted: “Thank you, Sioux City. … I said it wrong. I’ve been in Iowa for too long. I’m sorry.”
4. Explaining last week why he was trailing Hillary Clinton in Kentucky, Obama again botched basic geography: “Sen. Clinton, I think, is much better known, coming from a nearby state of Arkansas. So it’s not surprising that she would have an advantage in some of those states in the middle.” On what map is Arkansas closer to Kentucky than Illinois?
5. Obama has as much trouble with numbers as he has with maps. Last March, on the anniversary of the Bloody Sunday march in Selma, Ala., he claimed his parents united as a direct result of the civil rights movement: “There was something stirring across the country because of what happened in Selma, Ala., because some folks are willing to march across a bridge. So they got together and Barack Obama Jr. was born.”
Obama was born in 1961. The Selma march took place in 1965. His spokesman, Bill Burton, later explained that Obama was “speaking metaphorically about the civil-rights movement as a whole.”
6. Earlier this month in Cape Girardeau, Mo., Obama showed off his knowledge of the war in Afghanistan by homing in on a lack of translators: “We only have a certain number of them, and if they are all in Iraq, then it’s harder for us to use them in Afghanistan.” The real reason it’s “harder for us to use them” in Afghanistan: Iraqis speak Arabic or Kurdish. The Afghanis speak Pashto, Farsi, or other non-Arabic languages.
7. Over the weekend in Oregon, Obama pleaded ignorance of the decades-old, multibillion-dollar massive Hanford nuclear-waste cleanup: “Here’s something that you will rarely hear from a politician, and that is that I’m not familiar with the Hanford, uuuuhh, site, so I don’t know exactly what’s going on there. (Applause.) Now, having said that, I promise you I’ll learn about it by the time I leave here on the ride back to the airport.”
I assume on that ride, a staffer reminded him that he’s voted on at least one defense-authorization bill that addressed the “costs, schedules, and technical issues” dealing with the nation’s most contaminated nuclear-waste site.
8. Last March, the Chicago Tribune reported this little-noticed nugget about a fake autobiographical detail in Obama’s Dreams from My Father: “Then, there’s the copy of Life magazine that Obama presents as his racial awakening at age 9. In it, he wrote, was an article and two accompanying photographs of an African-American man physically and mentally scarred by his efforts to lighten his skin. In fact, the Life article and the photographs don’t exist, say the magazine’s own historians.”
9. And in perhaps the most seriously troubling set of gaffes of them all, Obama told a Portland crowd over the weekend that Iran doesn’t “pose a serious threat to us” — cluelessly arguing that “tiny countries” with small defense budgets can’t do us harm — and then promptly flip-flopped the next day, claiming, “I’ve made it clear for years that the threat from Iran is grave.”
10. Obama: Throughout our history, America’s confronted constantly evolving danger, from the oppression of an empire, to the lawlessness of the frontier, from the bomb that fell on Pearl Harbor, to the threat of nuclear annihilation. Americans have adapted to the threats posed by an ever-changing world.
Participantquality control
Certainly, gandalf, Obama’s a busy man. With the money he raises, I hope he can afford a more detail oriented speechwriter. Certainly the least he could do is proofread the speeches.
(BTW: proofreading is a basic requirement of all speechmakers. A speechmaker not proofreading his speeches is a person derelict in his duties and details. Not good for a presidential candidate).
Obama List
1. Last May, he claimed that tornadoes in Kansas killed a whopping 10,000 people: “In case you missed it, this week, there was a tragedy in Kansas. Ten thousand people died — an entire town destroyed.” The actual death toll: 12.
2. Earlier this month in Oregon, he redrew the map of the United States: “Over the last 15 months, we’ve traveled to every corner of the United States. I’ve now been in 57 states? I think one left to go.”
3. Last week, in front of a roaring Sioux Falls, S.D., audience, Obama exulted: “Thank you, Sioux City. … I said it wrong. I’ve been in Iowa for too long. I’m sorry.”
4. Explaining last week why he was trailing Hillary Clinton in Kentucky, Obama again botched basic geography: “Sen. Clinton, I think, is much better known, coming from a nearby state of Arkansas. So it’s not surprising that she would have an advantage in some of those states in the middle.” On what map is Arkansas closer to Kentucky than Illinois?
5. Obama has as much trouble with numbers as he has with maps. Last March, on the anniversary of the Bloody Sunday march in Selma, Ala., he claimed his parents united as a direct result of the civil rights movement: “There was something stirring across the country because of what happened in Selma, Ala., because some folks are willing to march across a bridge. So they got together and Barack Obama Jr. was born.”
Obama was born in 1961. The Selma march took place in 1965. His spokesman, Bill Burton, later explained that Obama was “speaking metaphorically about the civil-rights movement as a whole.”
6. Earlier this month in Cape Girardeau, Mo., Obama showed off his knowledge of the war in Afghanistan by homing in on a lack of translators: “We only have a certain number of them, and if they are all in Iraq, then it’s harder for us to use them in Afghanistan.” The real reason it’s “harder for us to use them” in Afghanistan: Iraqis speak Arabic or Kurdish. The Afghanis speak Pashto, Farsi, or other non-Arabic languages.
7. Over the weekend in Oregon, Obama pleaded ignorance of the decades-old, multibillion-dollar massive Hanford nuclear-waste cleanup: “Here’s something that you will rarely hear from a politician, and that is that I’m not familiar with the Hanford, uuuuhh, site, so I don’t know exactly what’s going on there. (Applause.) Now, having said that, I promise you I’ll learn about it by the time I leave here on the ride back to the airport.”
I assume on that ride, a staffer reminded him that he’s voted on at least one defense-authorization bill that addressed the “costs, schedules, and technical issues” dealing with the nation’s most contaminated nuclear-waste site.
8. Last March, the Chicago Tribune reported this little-noticed nugget about a fake autobiographical detail in Obama’s Dreams from My Father: “Then, there’s the copy of Life magazine that Obama presents as his racial awakening at age 9. In it, he wrote, was an article and two accompanying photographs of an African-American man physically and mentally scarred by his efforts to lighten his skin. In fact, the Life article and the photographs don’t exist, say the magazine’s own historians.”
9. And in perhaps the most seriously troubling set of gaffes of them all, Obama told a Portland crowd over the weekend that Iran doesn’t “pose a serious threat to us” — cluelessly arguing that “tiny countries” with small defense budgets can’t do us harm — and then promptly flip-flopped the next day, claiming, “I’ve made it clear for years that the threat from Iran is grave.”
10. Obama: Throughout our history, America’s confronted constantly evolving danger, from the oppression of an empire, to the lawlessness of the frontier, from the bomb that fell on Pearl Harbor, to the threat of nuclear annihilation. Americans have adapted to the threats posed by an ever-changing world.
Participantquality control
Certainly, gandalf, Obama’s a busy man. With the money he raises, I hope he can afford a more detail oriented speechwriter. Certainly the least he could do is proofread the speeches.
(BTW: proofreading is a basic requirement of all speechmakers. A speechmaker not proofreading his speeches is a person derelict in his duties and details. Not good for a presidential candidate).
Obama List
1. Last May, he claimed that tornadoes in Kansas killed a whopping 10,000 people: “In case you missed it, this week, there was a tragedy in Kansas. Ten thousand people died — an entire town destroyed.” The actual death toll: 12.
2. Earlier this month in Oregon, he redrew the map of the United States: “Over the last 15 months, we’ve traveled to every corner of the United States. I’ve now been in 57 states? I think one left to go.”
3. Last week, in front of a roaring Sioux Falls, S.D., audience, Obama exulted: “Thank you, Sioux City. … I said it wrong. I’ve been in Iowa for too long. I’m sorry.”
4. Explaining last week why he was trailing Hillary Clinton in Kentucky, Obama again botched basic geography: “Sen. Clinton, I think, is much better known, coming from a nearby state of Arkansas. So it’s not surprising that she would have an advantage in some of those states in the middle.” On what map is Arkansas closer to Kentucky than Illinois?
5. Obama has as much trouble with numbers as he has with maps. Last March, on the anniversary of the Bloody Sunday march in Selma, Ala., he claimed his parents united as a direct result of the civil rights movement: “There was something stirring across the country because of what happened in Selma, Ala., because some folks are willing to march across a bridge. So they got together and Barack Obama Jr. was born.”
Obama was born in 1961. The Selma march took place in 1965. His spokesman, Bill Burton, later explained that Obama was “speaking metaphorically about the civil-rights movement as a whole.”
6. Earlier this month in Cape Girardeau, Mo., Obama showed off his knowledge of the war in Afghanistan by homing in on a lack of translators: “We only have a certain number of them, and if they are all in Iraq, then it’s harder for us to use them in Afghanistan.” The real reason it’s “harder for us to use them” in Afghanistan: Iraqis speak Arabic or Kurdish. The Afghanis speak Pashto, Farsi, or other non-Arabic languages.
7. Over the weekend in Oregon, Obama pleaded ignorance of the decades-old, multibillion-dollar massive Hanford nuclear-waste cleanup: “Here’s something that you will rarely hear from a politician, and that is that I’m not familiar with the Hanford, uuuuhh, site, so I don’t know exactly what’s going on there. (Applause.) Now, having said that, I promise you I’ll learn about it by the time I leave here on the ride back to the airport.”
I assume on that ride, a staffer reminded him that he’s voted on at least one defense-authorization bill that addressed the “costs, schedules, and technical issues” dealing with the nation’s most contaminated nuclear-waste site.
8. Last March, the Chicago Tribune reported this little-noticed nugget about a fake autobiographical detail in Obama’s Dreams from My Father: “Then, there’s the copy of Life magazine that Obama presents as his racial awakening at age 9. In it, he wrote, was an article and two accompanying photographs of an African-American man physically and mentally scarred by his efforts to lighten his skin. In fact, the Life article and the photographs don’t exist, say the magazine’s own historians.”
9. And in perhaps the most seriously troubling set of gaffes of them all, Obama told a Portland crowd over the weekend that Iran doesn’t “pose a serious threat to us” — cluelessly arguing that “tiny countries” with small defense budgets can’t do us harm — and then promptly flip-flopped the next day, claiming, “I’ve made it clear for years that the threat from Iran is grave.”
10. Obama: Throughout our history, America’s confronted constantly evolving danger, from the oppression of an empire, to the lawlessness of the frontier, from the bomb that fell on Pearl Harbor, to the threat of nuclear annihilation. Americans have adapted to the threats posed by an ever-changing world.
Participantquality control
Certainly, gandalf, Obama’s a busy man. With the money he raises, I hope he can afford a more detail oriented speechwriter. Certainly the least he could do is proofread the speeches.
(BTW: proofreading is a basic requirement of all speechmakers. A speechmaker not proofreading his speeches is a person derelict in his duties and details. Not good for a presidential candidate).
Obama List
1. Last May, he claimed that tornadoes in Kansas killed a whopping 10,000 people: “In case you missed it, this week, there was a tragedy in Kansas. Ten thousand people died — an entire town destroyed.” The actual death toll: 12.
2. Earlier this month in Oregon, he redrew the map of the United States: “Over the last 15 months, we’ve traveled to every corner of the United States. I’ve now been in 57 states? I think one left to go.”
3. Last week, in front of a roaring Sioux Falls, S.D., audience, Obama exulted: “Thank you, Sioux City. … I said it wrong. I’ve been in Iowa for too long. I’m sorry.”
4. Explaining last week why he was trailing Hillary Clinton in Kentucky, Obama again botched basic geography: “Sen. Clinton, I think, is much better known, coming from a nearby state of Arkansas. So it’s not surprising that she would have an advantage in some of those states in the middle.” On what map is Arkansas closer to Kentucky than Illinois?
5. Obama has as much trouble with numbers as he has with maps. Last March, on the anniversary of the Bloody Sunday march in Selma, Ala., he claimed his parents united as a direct result of the civil rights movement: “There was something stirring across the country because of what happened in Selma, Ala., because some folks are willing to march across a bridge. So they got together and Barack Obama Jr. was born.”
Obama was born in 1961. The Selma march took place in 1965. His spokesman, Bill Burton, later explained that Obama was “speaking metaphorically about the civil-rights movement as a whole.”
6. Earlier this month in Cape Girardeau, Mo., Obama showed off his knowledge of the war in Afghanistan by homing in on a lack of translators: “We only have a certain number of them, and if they are all in Iraq, then it’s harder for us to use them in Afghanistan.” The real reason it’s “harder for us to use them” in Afghanistan: Iraqis speak Arabic or Kurdish. The Afghanis speak Pashto, Farsi, or other non-Arabic languages.
7. Over the weekend in Oregon, Obama pleaded ignorance of the decades-old, multibillion-dollar massive Hanford nuclear-waste cleanup: “Here’s something that you will rarely hear from a politician, and that is that I’m not familiar with the Hanford, uuuuhh, site, so I don’t know exactly what’s going on there. (Applause.) Now, having said that, I promise you I’ll learn about it by the time I leave here on the ride back to the airport.”
I assume on that ride, a staffer reminded him that he’s voted on at least one defense-authorization bill that addressed the “costs, schedules, and technical issues” dealing with the nation’s most contaminated nuclear-waste site.
8. Last March, the Chicago Tribune reported this little-noticed nugget about a fake autobiographical detail in Obama’s Dreams from My Father: “Then, there’s the copy of Life magazine that Obama presents as his racial awakening at age 9. In it, he wrote, was an article and two accompanying photographs of an African-American man physically and mentally scarred by his efforts to lighten his skin. In fact, the Life article and the photographs don’t exist, say the magazine’s own historians.”
9. And in perhaps the most seriously troubling set of gaffes of them all, Obama told a Portland crowd over the weekend that Iran doesn’t “pose a serious threat to us” — cluelessly arguing that “tiny countries” with small defense budgets can’t do us harm — and then promptly flip-flopped the next day, claiming, “I’ve made it clear for years that the threat from Iran is grave.”
10. Obama: Throughout our history, America’s confronted constantly evolving danger, from the oppression of an empire, to the lawlessness of the frontier, from the bomb that fell on Pearl Harbor, to the threat of nuclear annihilation. Americans have adapted to the threats posed by an ever-changing world.
Participantattention to detail
gandalf: I can understand if you look at the “bomb at Pearl Harbor” statement in isolation and think it’s just a simple misstatement. If that was the only blunder he did, I wouldn’t mention it and I would not think it important. Unfortunately, it has been a pattern with him from the beginning.
And I can at least judge what he said, as opposed to putting words into his mouth (like where you suggest that “he knew damn well it wasn’t accurate”, where is the evidence for that?).
Here’s another item as well: the speech may have been written by someone else, but the fact that he doesn’t proofread the speech or at least take a look at the speech for inaccuracies before he does that speech? That implies a lack of attention to detail.
And so again, when faced with something derogatory about Obama, you have again resorted to name-calling.
In any case, the evidence is there. The lack of attention to detail, the lack of knowledge in history, the lack of analytical thinking, all combined with the least qualified resume with no significant list of accomplishments of note. While this list is certainly not enough to convince you, gandalf, of his inadequacy, it is enough for me.
And honestly, if you are willing to entrust Obama to make major decisions for you based just because he has a better college degree and says he knows better than you but doesn’t give you the “hard data”, then I suggest you look at the bottom of this website, look at that phrase, and turn in your piggington card.
edit: For the record, I’ve never said he was dumb. Naive, lack of knowledge in history, yes. Dumb, no.
Participantattention to detail
gandalf: I can understand if you look at the “bomb at Pearl Harbor” statement in isolation and think it’s just a simple misstatement. If that was the only blunder he did, I wouldn’t mention it and I would not think it important. Unfortunately, it has been a pattern with him from the beginning.
And I can at least judge what he said, as opposed to putting words into his mouth (like where you suggest that “he knew damn well it wasn’t accurate”, where is the evidence for that?).
Here’s another item as well: the speech may have been written by someone else, but the fact that he doesn’t proofread the speech or at least take a look at the speech for inaccuracies before he does that speech? That implies a lack of attention to detail.
And so again, when faced with something derogatory about Obama, you have again resorted to name-calling.
In any case, the evidence is there. The lack of attention to detail, the lack of knowledge in history, the lack of analytical thinking, all combined with the least qualified resume with no significant list of accomplishments of note. While this list is certainly not enough to convince you, gandalf, of his inadequacy, it is enough for me.
And honestly, if you are willing to entrust Obama to make major decisions for you based just because he has a better college degree and says he knows better than you but doesn’t give you the “hard data”, then I suggest you look at the bottom of this website, look at that phrase, and turn in your piggington card.
edit: For the record, I’ve never said he was dumb. Naive, lack of knowledge in history, yes. Dumb, no.
Participantattention to detail
gandalf: I can understand if you look at the “bomb at Pearl Harbor” statement in isolation and think it’s just a simple misstatement. If that was the only blunder he did, I wouldn’t mention it and I would not think it important. Unfortunately, it has been a pattern with him from the beginning.
And I can at least judge what he said, as opposed to putting words into his mouth (like where you suggest that “he knew damn well it wasn’t accurate”, where is the evidence for that?).
Here’s another item as well: the speech may have been written by someone else, but the fact that he doesn’t proofread the speech or at least take a look at the speech for inaccuracies before he does that speech? That implies a lack of attention to detail.
And so again, when faced with something derogatory about Obama, you have again resorted to name-calling.
In any case, the evidence is there. The lack of attention to detail, the lack of knowledge in history, the lack of analytical thinking, all combined with the least qualified resume with no significant list of accomplishments of note. While this list is certainly not enough to convince you, gandalf, of his inadequacy, it is enough for me.
And honestly, if you are willing to entrust Obama to make major decisions for you based just because he has a better college degree and says he knows better than you but doesn’t give you the “hard data”, then I suggest you look at the bottom of this website, look at that phrase, and turn in your piggington card.
edit: For the record, I’ve never said he was dumb. Naive, lack of knowledge in history, yes. Dumb, no.
Participantattention to detail
gandalf: I can understand if you look at the “bomb at Pearl Harbor” statement in isolation and think it’s just a simple misstatement. If that was the only blunder he did, I wouldn’t mention it and I would not think it important. Unfortunately, it has been a pattern with him from the beginning.
And I can at least judge what he said, as opposed to putting words into his mouth (like where you suggest that “he knew damn well it wasn’t accurate”, where is the evidence for that?).
Here’s another item as well: the speech may have been written by someone else, but the fact that he doesn’t proofread the speech or at least take a look at the speech for inaccuracies before he does that speech? That implies a lack of attention to detail.
And so again, when faced with something derogatory about Obama, you have again resorted to name-calling.
In any case, the evidence is there. The lack of attention to detail, the lack of knowledge in history, the lack of analytical thinking, all combined with the least qualified resume with no significant list of accomplishments of note. While this list is certainly not enough to convince you, gandalf, of his inadequacy, it is enough for me.
And honestly, if you are willing to entrust Obama to make major decisions for you based just because he has a better college degree and says he knows better than you but doesn’t give you the “hard data”, then I suggest you look at the bottom of this website, look at that phrase, and turn in your piggington card.
edit: For the record, I’ve never said he was dumb. Naive, lack of knowledge in history, yes. Dumb, no.
Participantattention to detail
gandalf: I can understand if you look at the “bomb at Pearl Harbor” statement in isolation and think it’s just a simple misstatement. If that was the only blunder he did, I wouldn’t mention it and I would not think it important. Unfortunately, it has been a pattern with him from the beginning.
And I can at least judge what he said, as opposed to putting words into his mouth (like where you suggest that “he knew damn well it wasn’t accurate”, where is the evidence for that?).
Here’s another item as well: the speech may have been written by someone else, but the fact that he doesn’t proofread the speech or at least take a look at the speech for inaccuracies before he does that speech? That implies a lack of attention to detail.
And so again, when faced with something derogatory about Obama, you have again resorted to name-calling.
In any case, the evidence is there. The lack of attention to detail, the lack of knowledge in history, the lack of analytical thinking, all combined with the least qualified resume with no significant list of accomplishments of note. While this list is certainly not enough to convince you, gandalf, of his inadequacy, it is enough for me.
And honestly, if you are willing to entrust Obama to make major decisions for you based just because he has a better college degree and says he knows better than you but doesn’t give you the “hard data”, then I suggest you look at the bottom of this website, look at that phrase, and turn in your piggington card.
edit: For the record, I’ve never said he was dumb. Naive, lack of knowledge in history, yes. Dumb, no.
Participantreading comprehension and history
gandalf: The whole notion that he’s dumb or ignorant or naive? I just don’t buy it. Who on this board has this kind of career or credentials? surveyor??
I think I’ve been able to document pretty well exactly how lacking his knowledge when it comes to history and foreign policy analysis. Do I have to be a Harvard educated lawyer to know that? I don’t think so.
Besides, gandalf, there was no such deference to education when you were making derogatory statements towards George W. Bush and his Yale education.
And your kind of thinking is supported by Obama as well. His whole campaign is exemplified by the Mad magazine cover that says “Trust me.” They have difficulties answering the hard questions because it all comes down to “Hey, Obama has SUPERIOR judgement. He KNOWS better.” I mean, really, I can’t question Obama because he has a better degree than me? Come on! You are a piggington and a piggington ideal is to question the analyses of experts who have better degrees than us.
Sorry to say it, but the emperor has no clothes.
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