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[quote=4plexowner]”what would signs of an upcoming collapse look like?”

Eugene – you said you could tell how there was NOT an upcoming collapse based on looking at the futures market

I show you a chart of the futures market and then you hem and haw about “Mish said” and “you can’t have an “upcoming” foreseeable currency crisis”

“you can’t have an “upcoming” foreseeable currency crisis”

isn’t that exactly opposite of your initial claim, “I took a peek at forex futures and there is no indication of an upcoming dollar collapse there”

could it be that you are just pulling stuff out of your ass and don’t really know what your are talking about?[/quote]

Eloquently stated 4plex 🙂

[socrattt]

[quote=4plexowner]”what would signs of an upcoming collapse look like?”

Eugene – you said you could tell how there was NOT an upcoming collapse based on looking at the futures market

I show you a chart of the futures market and then you hem and haw about “Mish said” and “you can’t have an “upcoming” foreseeable currency crisis”

“you can’t have an “upcoming” foreseeable currency crisis”

isn’t that exactly opposite of your initial claim, “I took a peek at forex futures and there is no indication of an upcoming dollar collapse there”

could it be that you are just pulling stuff out of your ass and don’t really know what your are talking about?[/quote]

Eloquently stated 4plex 🙂

[socrattt]

[quote=4plexowner]”what would signs of an upcoming collapse look like?”

Eugene – you said you could tell how there was NOT an upcoming collapse based on looking at the futures market

I show you a chart of the futures market and then you hem and haw about “Mish said” and “you can’t have an “upcoming” foreseeable currency crisis”

“you can’t have an “upcoming” foreseeable currency crisis”

isn’t that exactly opposite of your initial claim, “I took a peek at forex futures and there is no indication of an upcoming dollar collapse there”

could it be that you are just pulling stuff out of your ass and don’t really know what your are talking about?[/quote]

Eloquently stated 4plex 🙂

[socrattt]

[quote=4plexowner]”what would signs of an upcoming collapse look like?”

Eugene – you said you could tell how there was NOT an upcoming collapse based on looking at the futures market

I show you a chart of the futures market and then you hem and haw about “Mish said” and “you can’t have an “upcoming” foreseeable currency crisis”

“you can’t have an “upcoming” foreseeable currency crisis”

isn’t that exactly opposite of your initial claim, “I took a peek at forex futures and there is no indication of an upcoming dollar collapse there”

could it be that you are just pulling stuff out of your ass and don’t really know what your are talking about?[/quote]

Eloquently stated 4plex 🙂

[socrattt]

[quote=4plexowner]”what would signs of an upcoming collapse look like?”

Eugene – you said you could tell how there was NOT an upcoming collapse based on looking at the futures market

I show you a chart of the futures market and then you hem and haw about “Mish said” and “you can’t have an “upcoming” foreseeable currency crisis”

“you can’t have an “upcoming” foreseeable currency crisis”

isn’t that exactly opposite of your initial claim, “I took a peek at forex futures and there is no indication of an upcoming dollar collapse there”

could it be that you are just pulling stuff out of your ass and don’t really know what your are talking about?[/quote]

Eloquently stated 4plex 🙂

[socrattt]

[quote=Eugene][quote=4plexowner]
Eugene – see that action on the right side of the chart? We call that a “downtrend” – it means that prices are declining – in this case, it is the US dollar and it has dropped from 0.90 to 0.78 in the last 5 months – more significantly, it fell through 0.78 this week – 0.78 has been considered a ‘line in the sand’ – next support is around the 0.76 level

what would signs of an upcoming collapse look like?[/quote]

There’s a funny thing about financial markets. It’s so well known that mutual funds put it in their disclaimer statements: “Past performance does not guarantee future results.”

In other words, given the fact that the US dollar dropped from 0.90 to 0.78 in the last 5 months, it may be as likely to get to 0.66 by March as it is to get back to 0.90.

I recall Mish looking at an uptrend in the dollar earlier in the year and forecasting parity with the euro. And, for a time, he was right. And then he wasn’t. And euro is back at 1.45 today.

Good news is, we have futures markets, which are supposed to reflect future exchange rates, to the best of available knowledge.

http://www2.barchart.com/dfutpage.asp?sym=ec

EURO FX (P) Daily Futures – Thursday, 10 September
Cash (ECY00) 1.45820
September ’09 (ECU09) 1.45830
December ’09 (ECZ09) 1.45830
March ’10 (ECH10) 1.45820
June ’10 (ECM10) 1.45840

But then, if you think about that, it’s almost obvious – futures can’t deviate much from the current exchange rate, because if they did, one could make a few obvious manipulations involving borrowing and forex conversions, resulting in guaranteed income.

What that means, then, is that you can’t have an “upcoming” foreseeable currency crisis – as soon as it becomes foreseeable, forex and futures traders make it happen RIGHT NOW.

Maybe there are some indications that things will happen to the dollar, maybe it will be less important as a reserve currency a few years from now. But these indications are fully priced into the market by now. Maybe that’s where your downtrend came from.[/quote]

Eugene, a wise man once told me IGNORANCE IS BLISS! And just of the record I live on the ocean in North County and can’t stand LJ!! I spent 4 years there and couldn’t handle the traffic getting in and out!

You talk about the futures issue with the dollar being foretold by Forex. Can you price in a overnight collapse of the financial markets if one was to happen? I don’t think so! I invest in every aspect of futures and real estate and I am doing just fine right now. I take little advice from people such as yourself that tend to think like most uneducated Americans. There is no everyday pattern to the current market and if you think it can be followed by a chart and taught in Econ 101, you need a reality check. Stop posting your silly facts because they mean nothing in this market.

If you want to show me the number of pre foreclosures and bank owned homes in an area compared to the amount of listed and pending we can talk. Until then keep banking on your investment approach because it sounds fool proof 😡

[socrattt]

[quote=Eugene][quote=4plexowner]
Eugene – see that action on the right side of the chart? We call that a “downtrend” – it means that prices are declining – in this case, it is the US dollar and it has dropped from 0.90 to 0.78 in the last 5 months – more significantly, it fell through 0.78 this week – 0.78 has been considered a ‘line in the sand’ – next support is around the 0.76 level

what would signs of an upcoming collapse look like?[/quote]

There’s a funny thing about financial markets. It’s so well known that mutual funds put it in their disclaimer statements: “Past performance does not guarantee future results.”

In other words, given the fact that the US dollar dropped from 0.90 to 0.78 in the last 5 months, it may be as likely to get to 0.66 by March as it is to get back to 0.90.

I recall Mish looking at an uptrend in the dollar earlier in the year and forecasting parity with the euro. And, for a time, he was right. And then he wasn’t. And euro is back at 1.45 today.

Good news is, we have futures markets, which are supposed to reflect future exchange rates, to the best of available knowledge.

http://www2.barchart.com/dfutpage.asp?sym=ec

EURO FX (P) Daily Futures – Thursday, 10 September
Cash (ECY00) 1.45820
September ’09 (ECU09) 1.45830
December ’09 (ECZ09) 1.45830
March ’10 (ECH10) 1.45820
June ’10 (ECM10) 1.45840

But then, if you think about that, it’s almost obvious – futures can’t deviate much from the current exchange rate, because if they did, one could make a few obvious manipulations involving borrowing and forex conversions, resulting in guaranteed income.

What that means, then, is that you can’t have an “upcoming” foreseeable currency crisis – as soon as it becomes foreseeable, forex and futures traders make it happen RIGHT NOW.

Maybe there are some indications that things will happen to the dollar, maybe it will be less important as a reserve currency a few years from now. But these indications are fully priced into the market by now. Maybe that’s where your downtrend came from.[/quote]

Eugene, a wise man once told me IGNORANCE IS BLISS! And just of the record I live on the ocean in North County and can’t stand LJ!! I spent 4 years there and couldn’t handle the traffic getting in and out!

You talk about the futures issue with the dollar being foretold by Forex. Can you price in a overnight collapse of the financial markets if one was to happen? I don’t think so! I invest in every aspect of futures and real estate and I am doing just fine right now. I take little advice from people such as yourself that tend to think like most uneducated Americans. There is no everyday pattern to the current market and if you think it can be followed by a chart and taught in Econ 101, you need a reality check. Stop posting your silly facts because they mean nothing in this market.

If you want to show me the number of pre foreclosures and bank owned homes in an area compared to the amount of listed and pending we can talk. Until then keep banking on your investment approach because it sounds fool proof 😡

[socrattt]

[quote=Eugene][quote=4plexowner]
Eugene – see that action on the right side of the chart? We call that a “downtrend” – it means that prices are declining – in this case, it is the US dollar and it has dropped from 0.90 to 0.78 in the last 5 months – more significantly, it fell through 0.78 this week – 0.78 has been considered a ‘line in the sand’ – next support is around the 0.76 level

what would signs of an upcoming collapse look like?[/quote]

There’s a funny thing about financial markets. It’s so well known that mutual funds put it in their disclaimer statements: “Past performance does not guarantee future results.”

In other words, given the fact that the US dollar dropped from 0.90 to 0.78 in the last 5 months, it may be as likely to get to 0.66 by March as it is to get back to 0.90.

I recall Mish looking at an uptrend in the dollar earlier in the year and forecasting parity with the euro. And, for a time, he was right. And then he wasn’t. And euro is back at 1.45 today.

Good news is, we have futures markets, which are supposed to reflect future exchange rates, to the best of available knowledge.

http://www2.barchart.com/dfutpage.asp?sym=ec

EURO FX (P) Daily Futures – Thursday, 10 September
Cash (ECY00) 1.45820
September ’09 (ECU09) 1.45830
December ’09 (ECZ09) 1.45830
March ’10 (ECH10) 1.45820
June ’10 (ECM10) 1.45840

But then, if you think about that, it’s almost obvious – futures can’t deviate much from the current exchange rate, because if they did, one could make a few obvious manipulations involving borrowing and forex conversions, resulting in guaranteed income.

What that means, then, is that you can’t have an “upcoming” foreseeable currency crisis – as soon as it becomes foreseeable, forex and futures traders make it happen RIGHT NOW.

Maybe there are some indications that things will happen to the dollar, maybe it will be less important as a reserve currency a few years from now. But these indications are fully priced into the market by now. Maybe that’s where your downtrend came from.[/quote]

Eugene, a wise man once told me IGNORANCE IS BLISS! And just of the record I live on the ocean in North County and can’t stand LJ!! I spent 4 years there and couldn’t handle the traffic getting in and out!

You talk about the futures issue with the dollar being foretold by Forex. Can you price in a overnight collapse of the financial markets if one was to happen? I don’t think so! I invest in every aspect of futures and real estate and I am doing just fine right now. I take little advice from people such as yourself that tend to think like most uneducated Americans. There is no everyday pattern to the current market and if you think it can be followed by a chart and taught in Econ 101, you need a reality check. Stop posting your silly facts because they mean nothing in this market.

If you want to show me the number of pre foreclosures and bank owned homes in an area compared to the amount of listed and pending we can talk. Until then keep banking on your investment approach because it sounds fool proof 😡

[socrattt]

[quote=Eugene][quote=4plexowner]
Eugene – see that action on the right side of the chart? We call that a “downtrend” – it means that prices are declining – in this case, it is the US dollar and it has dropped from 0.90 to 0.78 in the last 5 months – more significantly, it fell through 0.78 this week – 0.78 has been considered a ‘line in the sand’ – next support is around the 0.76 level

what would signs of an upcoming collapse look like?[/quote]

There’s a funny thing about financial markets. It’s so well known that mutual funds put it in their disclaimer statements: “Past performance does not guarantee future results.”

In other words, given the fact that the US dollar dropped from 0.90 to 0.78 in the last 5 months, it may be as likely to get to 0.66 by March as it is to get back to 0.90.

I recall Mish looking at an uptrend in the dollar earlier in the year and forecasting parity with the euro. And, for a time, he was right. And then he wasn’t. And euro is back at 1.45 today.

Good news is, we have futures markets, which are supposed to reflect future exchange rates, to the best of available knowledge.

http://www2.barchart.com/dfutpage.asp?sym=ec

EURO FX (P) Daily Futures – Thursday, 10 September
Cash (ECY00) 1.45820
September ’09 (ECU09) 1.45830
December ’09 (ECZ09) 1.45830
March ’10 (ECH10) 1.45820
June ’10 (ECM10) 1.45840

But then, if you think about that, it’s almost obvious – futures can’t deviate much from the current exchange rate, because if they did, one could make a few obvious manipulations involving borrowing and forex conversions, resulting in guaranteed income.

What that means, then, is that you can’t have an “upcoming” foreseeable currency crisis – as soon as it becomes foreseeable, forex and futures traders make it happen RIGHT NOW.

Maybe there are some indications that things will happen to the dollar, maybe it will be less important as a reserve currency a few years from now. But these indications are fully priced into the market by now. Maybe that’s where your downtrend came from.[/quote]

Eugene, a wise man once told me IGNORANCE IS BLISS! And just of the record I live on the ocean in North County and can’t stand LJ!! I spent 4 years there and couldn’t handle the traffic getting in and out!

You talk about the futures issue with the dollar being foretold by Forex. Can you price in a overnight collapse of the financial markets if one was to happen? I don’t think so! I invest in every aspect of futures and real estate and I am doing just fine right now. I take little advice from people such as yourself that tend to think like most uneducated Americans. There is no everyday pattern to the current market and if you think it can be followed by a chart and taught in Econ 101, you need a reality check. Stop posting your silly facts because they mean nothing in this market.

If you want to show me the number of pre foreclosures and bank owned homes in an area compared to the amount of listed and pending we can talk. Until then keep banking on your investment approach because it sounds fool proof 😡

[socrattt]

[quote=Eugene][quote=4plexowner]
Eugene – see that action on the right side of the chart? We call that a “downtrend” – it means that prices are declining – in this case, it is the US dollar and it has dropped from 0.90 to 0.78 in the last 5 months – more significantly, it fell through 0.78 this week – 0.78 has been considered a ‘line in the sand’ – next support is around the 0.76 level

what would signs of an upcoming collapse look like?[/quote]

There’s a funny thing about financial markets. It’s so well known that mutual funds put it in their disclaimer statements: “Past performance does not guarantee future results.”

In other words, given the fact that the US dollar dropped from 0.90 to 0.78 in the last 5 months, it may be as likely to get to 0.66 by March as it is to get back to 0.90.

I recall Mish looking at an uptrend in the dollar earlier in the year and forecasting parity with the euro. And, for a time, he was right. And then he wasn’t. And euro is back at 1.45 today.

Good news is, we have futures markets, which are supposed to reflect future exchange rates, to the best of available knowledge.

http://www2.barchart.com/dfutpage.asp?sym=ec

EURO FX (P) Daily Futures – Thursday, 10 September
Cash (ECY00) 1.45820
September ’09 (ECU09) 1.45830
December ’09 (ECZ09) 1.45830
March ’10 (ECH10) 1.45820
June ’10 (ECM10) 1.45840

But then, if you think about that, it’s almost obvious – futures can’t deviate much from the current exchange rate, because if they did, one could make a few obvious manipulations involving borrowing and forex conversions, resulting in guaranteed income.

What that means, then, is that you can’t have an “upcoming” foreseeable currency crisis – as soon as it becomes foreseeable, forex and futures traders make it happen RIGHT NOW.

Maybe there are some indications that things will happen to the dollar, maybe it will be less important as a reserve currency a few years from now. But these indications are fully priced into the market by now. Maybe that’s where your downtrend came from.[/quote]

Eugene, a wise man once told me IGNORANCE IS BLISS! And just of the record I live on the ocean in North County and can’t stand LJ!! I spent 4 years there and couldn’t handle the traffic getting in and out!

You talk about the futures issue with the dollar being foretold by Forex. Can you price in a overnight collapse of the financial markets if one was to happen? I don’t think so! I invest in every aspect of futures and real estate and I am doing just fine right now. I take little advice from people such as yourself that tend to think like most uneducated Americans. There is no everyday pattern to the current market and if you think it can be followed by a chart and taught in Econ 101, you need a reality check. Stop posting your silly facts because they mean nothing in this market.

If you want to show me the number of pre foreclosures and bank owned homes in an area compared to the amount of listed and pending we can talk. Until then keep banking on your investment approach because it sounds fool proof 😡

[socrattt]

[quote=4plexowner]”I took a peek at forex futures and there is no indication of an upcoming dollar collapse there.”

[img_assist|nid=11868|title=US Dollar Decline|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=400|height=208]

Eugene – see that action on the right side of the chart? We call that a “downtrend” – it means that prices are declining – in this case, it is the US dollar and it has dropped from 0.90 to 0.78 in the last 5 months – more significantly, it fell through 0.78 this week – 0.78 has been considered a ‘line in the sand’ – next support is around the 0.76 level

what would signs of an upcoming collapse look like?[/quote]
Eugene is the kind of person that would find a candle pointing north in the graph and tell you that is his reasoning for an uptrend. TG has a little more common sense approach, but with his self proclaimed internet porn problem, I think he may be looking at the wrong graphs :). 4plex thanks for posting that. I was a bit lazy and didn’t feel like looking for that last night.

[socrattt]

[quote=4plexowner]”I took a peek at forex futures and there is no indication of an upcoming dollar collapse there.”

[img_assist|nid=11868|title=US Dollar Decline|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=400|height=208]

Eugene – see that action on the right side of the chart? We call that a “downtrend” – it means that prices are declining – in this case, it is the US dollar and it has dropped from 0.90 to 0.78 in the last 5 months – more significantly, it fell through 0.78 this week – 0.78 has been considered a ‘line in the sand’ – next support is around the 0.76 level

what would signs of an upcoming collapse look like?[/quote]
Eugene is the kind of person that would find a candle pointing north in the graph and tell you that is his reasoning for an uptrend. TG has a little more common sense approach, but with his self proclaimed internet porn problem, I think he may be looking at the wrong graphs :). 4plex thanks for posting that. I was a bit lazy and didn’t feel like looking for that last night.

[socrattt]

[quote=4plexowner]”I took a peek at forex futures and there is no indication of an upcoming dollar collapse there.”

[img_assist|nid=11868|title=US Dollar Decline|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=400|height=208]

Eugene – see that action on the right side of the chart? We call that a “downtrend” – it means that prices are declining – in this case, it is the US dollar and it has dropped from 0.90 to 0.78 in the last 5 months – more significantly, it fell through 0.78 this week – 0.78 has been considered a ‘line in the sand’ – next support is around the 0.76 level

what would signs of an upcoming collapse look like?[/quote]
Eugene is the kind of person that would find a candle pointing north in the graph and tell you that is his reasoning for an uptrend. TG has a little more common sense approach, but with his self proclaimed internet porn problem, I think he may be looking at the wrong graphs :). 4plex thanks for posting that. I was a bit lazy and didn’t feel like looking for that last night.

[socrattt]

[quote=4plexowner]”I took a peek at forex futures and there is no indication of an upcoming dollar collapse there.”

[img_assist|nid=11868|title=US Dollar Decline|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=400|height=208]

Eugene – see that action on the right side of the chart? We call that a “downtrend” – it means that prices are declining – in this case, it is the US dollar and it has dropped from 0.90 to 0.78 in the last 5 months – more significantly, it fell through 0.78 this week – 0.78 has been considered a ‘line in the sand’ – next support is around the 0.76 level

what would signs of an upcoming collapse look like?[/quote]
Eugene is the kind of person that would find a candle pointing north in the graph and tell you that is his reasoning for an uptrend. TG has a little more common sense approach, but with his self proclaimed internet porn problem, I think he may be looking at the wrong graphs :). 4plex thanks for posting that. I was a bit lazy and didn’t feel like looking for that last night.

[socrattt]

[quote=4plexowner]”I took a peek at forex futures and there is no indication of an upcoming dollar collapse there.”

[img_assist|nid=11868|title=US Dollar Decline|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=400|height=208]

Eugene – see that action on the right side of the chart? We call that a “downtrend” – it means that prices are declining – in this case, it is the US dollar and it has dropped from 0.90 to 0.78 in the last 5 months – more significantly, it fell through 0.78 this week – 0.78 has been considered a ‘line in the sand’ – next support is around the 0.76 level

what would signs of an upcoming collapse look like?[/quote]
Eugene is the kind of person that would find a candle pointing north in the graph and tell you that is his reasoning for an uptrend. TG has a little more common sense approach, but with his self proclaimed internet porn problem, I think he may be looking at the wrong graphs :). 4plex thanks for posting that. I was a bit lazy and didn’t feel like looking for that last night.

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