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Participant[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
And the Medicare model is broken. Medicare costs have spiraled out of control, especially in recent years.[/quote]
Which is why the financing for the new plans are virtually nothing like medicare. Medicare is not designed as a pay-as-you-go plan, hence the huge surplus it had 10 years ago. And premiums are exactly the same for all, regardless of age. The public plan will be primarily financed by current premiums and compete with private plans, with lower premiums for comparable coverage and guaranteed insurablitiy.
Participant[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
And the Medicare model is broken. Medicare costs have spiraled out of control, especially in recent years.[/quote]
Which is why the financing for the new plans are virtually nothing like medicare. Medicare is not designed as a pay-as-you-go plan, hence the huge surplus it had 10 years ago. And premiums are exactly the same for all, regardless of age. The public plan will be primarily financed by current premiums and compete with private plans, with lower premiums for comparable coverage and guaranteed insurablitiy.
Participant[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
And the Medicare model is broken. Medicare costs have spiraled out of control, especially in recent years.[/quote]
Which is why the financing for the new plans are virtually nothing like medicare. Medicare is not designed as a pay-as-you-go plan, hence the huge surplus it had 10 years ago. And premiums are exactly the same for all, regardless of age. The public plan will be primarily financed by current premiums and compete with private plans, with lower premiums for comparable coverage and guaranteed insurablitiy.
Participant[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]SK: What the leftists in DC want us to ignore in every one of their programs, is the “socialization” inherent to the various “solutions”, be it GM’s takeover, the health care “fix”, the stimulus package, etc.
If Bush were actively seeking the massive expansion of executive and legislative powers that Obama and the Dems are, the MSM would be screaming bloody murder. As it is, we sit here passively and are lied to and, sadly, we believe.
Obama’s answer to everything seems to be: More Government.
Came across this great quote, which really sums things up for me:
“You cannot legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the wealthy out of freedom. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is about the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it.”
~~~~ Dr. Adrian Rogers, 1931[/quote]There is nothing socialist about the proposed plans. None of the doctors will be government employees. None of the nurses. None of the hospitals will be owned and operated by the government. (The only place that will occur is where it already occurs, the existing socialized plans for veterans, the VA health care system.) There will still be private insurance (claims that private insurance will be outlawed under the new plan are created from whole cloth, there is nothing in any of the currently proposed plans that does that.) The arguments against the plans (which are now supported by the AMA) sound eerily like the the arguments against medicare, and the slippery slope that it was supposed to bring. None of the horrors predicted 46 years ago came true.
Free market has failed. Rather than more people having access to the best health care professionals and facilities in the world, fewer and fewer do. Every week, 44,000 lose health insurance coverage. Another 17,000 file for bankruptcy protection because of medical bills. Each week more than 400 people die because they lack medical insurance coverage. The existing health care financing model is irreparably broken.
Participant[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]SK: What the leftists in DC want us to ignore in every one of their programs, is the “socialization” inherent to the various “solutions”, be it GM’s takeover, the health care “fix”, the stimulus package, etc.
If Bush were actively seeking the massive expansion of executive and legislative powers that Obama and the Dems are, the MSM would be screaming bloody murder. As it is, we sit here passively and are lied to and, sadly, we believe.
Obama’s answer to everything seems to be: More Government.
Came across this great quote, which really sums things up for me:
“You cannot legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the wealthy out of freedom. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is about the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it.”
~~~~ Dr. Adrian Rogers, 1931[/quote]There is nothing socialist about the proposed plans. None of the doctors will be government employees. None of the nurses. None of the hospitals will be owned and operated by the government. (The only place that will occur is where it already occurs, the existing socialized plans for veterans, the VA health care system.) There will still be private insurance (claims that private insurance will be outlawed under the new plan are created from whole cloth, there is nothing in any of the currently proposed plans that does that.) The arguments against the plans (which are now supported by the AMA) sound eerily like the the arguments against medicare, and the slippery slope that it was supposed to bring. None of the horrors predicted 46 years ago came true.
Free market has failed. Rather than more people having access to the best health care professionals and facilities in the world, fewer and fewer do. Every week, 44,000 lose health insurance coverage. Another 17,000 file for bankruptcy protection because of medical bills. Each week more than 400 people die because they lack medical insurance coverage. The existing health care financing model is irreparably broken.
Participant[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]SK: What the leftists in DC want us to ignore in every one of their programs, is the “socialization” inherent to the various “solutions”, be it GM’s takeover, the health care “fix”, the stimulus package, etc.
If Bush were actively seeking the massive expansion of executive and legislative powers that Obama and the Dems are, the MSM would be screaming bloody murder. As it is, we sit here passively and are lied to and, sadly, we believe.
Obama’s answer to everything seems to be: More Government.
Came across this great quote, which really sums things up for me:
“You cannot legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the wealthy out of freedom. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is about the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it.”
~~~~ Dr. Adrian Rogers, 1931[/quote]There is nothing socialist about the proposed plans. None of the doctors will be government employees. None of the nurses. None of the hospitals will be owned and operated by the government. (The only place that will occur is where it already occurs, the existing socialized plans for veterans, the VA health care system.) There will still be private insurance (claims that private insurance will be outlawed under the new plan are created from whole cloth, there is nothing in any of the currently proposed plans that does that.) The arguments against the plans (which are now supported by the AMA) sound eerily like the the arguments against medicare, and the slippery slope that it was supposed to bring. None of the horrors predicted 46 years ago came true.
Free market has failed. Rather than more people having access to the best health care professionals and facilities in the world, fewer and fewer do. Every week, 44,000 lose health insurance coverage. Another 17,000 file for bankruptcy protection because of medical bills. Each week more than 400 people die because they lack medical insurance coverage. The existing health care financing model is irreparably broken.
Participant[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]SK: What the leftists in DC want us to ignore in every one of their programs, is the “socialization” inherent to the various “solutions”, be it GM’s takeover, the health care “fix”, the stimulus package, etc.
If Bush were actively seeking the massive expansion of executive and legislative powers that Obama and the Dems are, the MSM would be screaming bloody murder. As it is, we sit here passively and are lied to and, sadly, we believe.
Obama’s answer to everything seems to be: More Government.
Came across this great quote, which really sums things up for me:
“You cannot legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the wealthy out of freedom. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is about the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it.”
~~~~ Dr. Adrian Rogers, 1931[/quote]There is nothing socialist about the proposed plans. None of the doctors will be government employees. None of the nurses. None of the hospitals will be owned and operated by the government. (The only place that will occur is where it already occurs, the existing socialized plans for veterans, the VA health care system.) There will still be private insurance (claims that private insurance will be outlawed under the new plan are created from whole cloth, there is nothing in any of the currently proposed plans that does that.) The arguments against the plans (which are now supported by the AMA) sound eerily like the the arguments against medicare, and the slippery slope that it was supposed to bring. None of the horrors predicted 46 years ago came true.
Free market has failed. Rather than more people having access to the best health care professionals and facilities in the world, fewer and fewer do. Every week, 44,000 lose health insurance coverage. Another 17,000 file for bankruptcy protection because of medical bills. Each week more than 400 people die because they lack medical insurance coverage. The existing health care financing model is irreparably broken.
Participant[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]SK: What the leftists in DC want us to ignore in every one of their programs, is the “socialization” inherent to the various “solutions”, be it GM’s takeover, the health care “fix”, the stimulus package, etc.
If Bush were actively seeking the massive expansion of executive and legislative powers that Obama and the Dems are, the MSM would be screaming bloody murder. As it is, we sit here passively and are lied to and, sadly, we believe.
Obama’s answer to everything seems to be: More Government.
Came across this great quote, which really sums things up for me:
“You cannot legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the wealthy out of freedom. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is about the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it.”
~~~~ Dr. Adrian Rogers, 1931[/quote]There is nothing socialist about the proposed plans. None of the doctors will be government employees. None of the nurses. None of the hospitals will be owned and operated by the government. (The only place that will occur is where it already occurs, the existing socialized plans for veterans, the VA health care system.) There will still be private insurance (claims that private insurance will be outlawed under the new plan are created from whole cloth, there is nothing in any of the currently proposed plans that does that.) The arguments against the plans (which are now supported by the AMA) sound eerily like the the arguments against medicare, and the slippery slope that it was supposed to bring. None of the horrors predicted 46 years ago came true.
Free market has failed. Rather than more people having access to the best health care professionals and facilities in the world, fewer and fewer do. Every week, 44,000 lose health insurance coverage. Another 17,000 file for bankruptcy protection because of medical bills. Each week more than 400 people die because they lack medical insurance coverage. The existing health care financing model is irreparably broken.
Participant[quote=Zeitgeist]Rudy Giuliani’s presidential campaign released a radio ad last week in which the candidate praised American health care for curing him of prostate cancer and wondered what might have happened to him under the socialized medicine practiced in the United Kingdom , where survival rates for that condition are far lower.
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Why is the comparison with socialized medicine even part of this discussion? It’s benefits and drawbacks notwithstanding, nobody has proposed socialized medicine.
Participant[quote=Zeitgeist]Rudy Giuliani’s presidential campaign released a radio ad last week in which the candidate praised American health care for curing him of prostate cancer and wondered what might have happened to him under the socialized medicine practiced in the United Kingdom , where survival rates for that condition are far lower.
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Why is the comparison with socialized medicine even part of this discussion? It’s benefits and drawbacks notwithstanding, nobody has proposed socialized medicine.
Participant[quote=Zeitgeist]Rudy Giuliani’s presidential campaign released a radio ad last week in which the candidate praised American health care for curing him of prostate cancer and wondered what might have happened to him under the socialized medicine practiced in the United Kingdom , where survival rates for that condition are far lower.
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Why is the comparison with socialized medicine even part of this discussion? It’s benefits and drawbacks notwithstanding, nobody has proposed socialized medicine.
Participant[quote=Zeitgeist]Rudy Giuliani’s presidential campaign released a radio ad last week in which the candidate praised American health care for curing him of prostate cancer and wondered what might have happened to him under the socialized medicine practiced in the United Kingdom , where survival rates for that condition are far lower.
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Why is the comparison with socialized medicine even part of this discussion? It’s benefits and drawbacks notwithstanding, nobody has proposed socialized medicine.
Participant[quote=Zeitgeist]Rudy Giuliani’s presidential campaign released a radio ad last week in which the candidate praised American health care for curing him of prostate cancer and wondered what might have happened to him under the socialized medicine practiced in the United Kingdom , where survival rates for that condition are far lower.
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Why is the comparison with socialized medicine even part of this discussion? It’s benefits and drawbacks notwithstanding, nobody has proposed socialized medicine.
Participant“Passive income” has a very specific meaning in the tax code. It generally refers to net rents, and other business activities where the taxpayer has no material participation. (not dividends, generally not capital transactions) Losses from passive activities (with some exceptions) are limited to net income from other passive activities. You are correct that capital gains are taxed at some of the lowest rates.
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