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November 11, 2009 at 8:40 AM in reply to: House crams healthcare bill down the countries throat. #480616November 11, 2009 at 8:40 AM in reply to: House crams healthcare bill down the countries throat. #480977
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That’s what I was wondering. Are folks in UK and Canada paying premiums? Seems much more regulated there and probably fixed pricing for services. Doctors can’t charge the limitless sky, I would imagine.An ortho surgeon was charging 1k an hour for his treating physician deposition. That’s what he makes. Excessive?[/quote]
Medical care for UK residents (which is true socialized medicine) is generally all provided under the NHS without charge. (I’m not sure about prescription drugs). In Canada, (which is NOT socialized medicine) insurance is paid for either through direct premiums, sales taxes, payroll taxes or a combination of those (it varies by province). Coverage includes most all care, though there are some exclusions for medical supplies and DME. Where it differs from the UK is that in the UK, doctors work for the NHS, in Canada, they do not work for the government. I do believe they still have price controls for both physician services and pharmaceuticals.
Neither current plans in congress call for similar price controls. The plans currently being discussed would be significantly more dissimilar to socialized medicine than is Medicare.
Expert witness fees in most all industries are significantly higher than than the pay rate for actually providing the services about which an expert is testifying. In the industry in which I work, rates for deposition and trial testimony is typically 60% higher than general rates. As outrageous as it might be, it’s such a small part of health care costs, its not really germaine to the discussion.
November 11, 2009 at 8:40 AM in reply to: House crams healthcare bill down the countries throat. #481060Participant[quote=jpinpb]
That’s what I was wondering. Are folks in UK and Canada paying premiums? Seems much more regulated there and probably fixed pricing for services. Doctors can’t charge the limitless sky, I would imagine.An ortho surgeon was charging 1k an hour for his treating physician deposition. That’s what he makes. Excessive?[/quote]
Medical care for UK residents (which is true socialized medicine) is generally all provided under the NHS without charge. (I’m not sure about prescription drugs). In Canada, (which is NOT socialized medicine) insurance is paid for either through direct premiums, sales taxes, payroll taxes or a combination of those (it varies by province). Coverage includes most all care, though there are some exclusions for medical supplies and DME. Where it differs from the UK is that in the UK, doctors work for the NHS, in Canada, they do not work for the government. I do believe they still have price controls for both physician services and pharmaceuticals.
Neither current plans in congress call for similar price controls. The plans currently being discussed would be significantly more dissimilar to socialized medicine than is Medicare.
Expert witness fees in most all industries are significantly higher than than the pay rate for actually providing the services about which an expert is testifying. In the industry in which I work, rates for deposition and trial testimony is typically 60% higher than general rates. As outrageous as it might be, it’s such a small part of health care costs, its not really germaine to the discussion.
November 11, 2009 at 8:40 AM in reply to: House crams healthcare bill down the countries throat. #481280Participant[quote=jpinpb]
That’s what I was wondering. Are folks in UK and Canada paying premiums? Seems much more regulated there and probably fixed pricing for services. Doctors can’t charge the limitless sky, I would imagine.An ortho surgeon was charging 1k an hour for his treating physician deposition. That’s what he makes. Excessive?[/quote]
Medical care for UK residents (which is true socialized medicine) is generally all provided under the NHS without charge. (I’m not sure about prescription drugs). In Canada, (which is NOT socialized medicine) insurance is paid for either through direct premiums, sales taxes, payroll taxes or a combination of those (it varies by province). Coverage includes most all care, though there are some exclusions for medical supplies and DME. Where it differs from the UK is that in the UK, doctors work for the NHS, in Canada, they do not work for the government. I do believe they still have price controls for both physician services and pharmaceuticals.
Neither current plans in congress call for similar price controls. The plans currently being discussed would be significantly more dissimilar to socialized medicine than is Medicare.
Expert witness fees in most all industries are significantly higher than than the pay rate for actually providing the services about which an expert is testifying. In the industry in which I work, rates for deposition and trial testimony is typically 60% higher than general rates. As outrageous as it might be, it’s such a small part of health care costs, its not really germaine to the discussion.
November 10, 2009 at 5:24 PM in reply to: House crams healthcare bill down the countries throat. #480198Participant[quote=mike92104]
Please tell me how this will not increase taxes, and is not a “socialized” system.[/quote]I didn’t say it won’t increase taxes, but it won’t be paid for, as you objected to, by everyone with higher taxes. The house version increases taxes on only the very highest income brackes and the senate version has an even narrower population it will effect tax-wise.
It is not a socialized system because it isn’t a socialized system. In a socialized system, as they have in the UK (not in Canada) and as we have here with the VA, insureds pay zero premiums and nothing for care. Doctors are employed by the system, not independently and reimbursed for services. In the proposed system, every one would pay premiums (some would get aid in paying those premiums) and all medical services would be provided independently of the insurance system, exactly as it is now. Doctors won’t work for the insurance provider, hospitals and other allied medical providers will not be owned by insurance companies.
I have a lot of problems with the house bill, but it’s a step in the right direction. Hopefully the Senate will make some of those badly needed corrections. As I said, I’m glad you support reform. You’re likely to get what you want.
November 10, 2009 at 5:24 PM in reply to: House crams healthcare bill down the countries throat. #480363Participant[quote=mike92104]
Please tell me how this will not increase taxes, and is not a “socialized” system.[/quote]I didn’t say it won’t increase taxes, but it won’t be paid for, as you objected to, by everyone with higher taxes. The house version increases taxes on only the very highest income brackes and the senate version has an even narrower population it will effect tax-wise.
It is not a socialized system because it isn’t a socialized system. In a socialized system, as they have in the UK (not in Canada) and as we have here with the VA, insureds pay zero premiums and nothing for care. Doctors are employed by the system, not independently and reimbursed for services. In the proposed system, every one would pay premiums (some would get aid in paying those premiums) and all medical services would be provided independently of the insurance system, exactly as it is now. Doctors won’t work for the insurance provider, hospitals and other allied medical providers will not be owned by insurance companies.
I have a lot of problems with the house bill, but it’s a step in the right direction. Hopefully the Senate will make some of those badly needed corrections. As I said, I’m glad you support reform. You’re likely to get what you want.
November 10, 2009 at 5:24 PM in reply to: House crams healthcare bill down the countries throat. #480723Participant[quote=mike92104]
Please tell me how this will not increase taxes, and is not a “socialized” system.[/quote]I didn’t say it won’t increase taxes, but it won’t be paid for, as you objected to, by everyone with higher taxes. The house version increases taxes on only the very highest income brackes and the senate version has an even narrower population it will effect tax-wise.
It is not a socialized system because it isn’t a socialized system. In a socialized system, as they have in the UK (not in Canada) and as we have here with the VA, insureds pay zero premiums and nothing for care. Doctors are employed by the system, not independently and reimbursed for services. In the proposed system, every one would pay premiums (some would get aid in paying those premiums) and all medical services would be provided independently of the insurance system, exactly as it is now. Doctors won’t work for the insurance provider, hospitals and other allied medical providers will not be owned by insurance companies.
I have a lot of problems with the house bill, but it’s a step in the right direction. Hopefully the Senate will make some of those badly needed corrections. As I said, I’m glad you support reform. You’re likely to get what you want.
November 10, 2009 at 5:24 PM in reply to: House crams healthcare bill down the countries throat. #480804Participant[quote=mike92104]
Please tell me how this will not increase taxes, and is not a “socialized” system.[/quote]I didn’t say it won’t increase taxes, but it won’t be paid for, as you objected to, by everyone with higher taxes. The house version increases taxes on only the very highest income brackes and the senate version has an even narrower population it will effect tax-wise.
It is not a socialized system because it isn’t a socialized system. In a socialized system, as they have in the UK (not in Canada) and as we have here with the VA, insureds pay zero premiums and nothing for care. Doctors are employed by the system, not independently and reimbursed for services. In the proposed system, every one would pay premiums (some would get aid in paying those premiums) and all medical services would be provided independently of the insurance system, exactly as it is now. Doctors won’t work for the insurance provider, hospitals and other allied medical providers will not be owned by insurance companies.
I have a lot of problems with the house bill, but it’s a step in the right direction. Hopefully the Senate will make some of those badly needed corrections. As I said, I’m glad you support reform. You’re likely to get what you want.
November 10, 2009 at 5:24 PM in reply to: House crams healthcare bill down the countries throat. #481024Participant[quote=mike92104]
Please tell me how this will not increase taxes, and is not a “socialized” system.[/quote]I didn’t say it won’t increase taxes, but it won’t be paid for, as you objected to, by everyone with higher taxes. The house version increases taxes on only the very highest income brackes and the senate version has an even narrower population it will effect tax-wise.
It is not a socialized system because it isn’t a socialized system. In a socialized system, as they have in the UK (not in Canada) and as we have here with the VA, insureds pay zero premiums and nothing for care. Doctors are employed by the system, not independently and reimbursed for services. In the proposed system, every one would pay premiums (some would get aid in paying those premiums) and all medical services would be provided independently of the insurance system, exactly as it is now. Doctors won’t work for the insurance provider, hospitals and other allied medical providers will not be owned by insurance companies.
I have a lot of problems with the house bill, but it’s a step in the right direction. Hopefully the Senate will make some of those badly needed corrections. As I said, I’m glad you support reform. You’re likely to get what you want.
November 10, 2009 at 1:03 PM in reply to: House crams healthcare bill down the countries throat. #480016Participant[quote=PlnrBoy] I am not saying reform wasn’t needed but a socialized system will be paid for by everyone by more taxes. THAT I DO NOT NEED RIGHT NOW.[/quote]
Then you’re perfectly safe. This isn’t anything like a socialized system and won’t be paid for by everyone with higher taxes. You’re in good shape. Glad you support the plan.
November 10, 2009 at 1:03 PM in reply to: House crams healthcare bill down the countries throat. #480184Participant[quote=PlnrBoy] I am not saying reform wasn’t needed but a socialized system will be paid for by everyone by more taxes. THAT I DO NOT NEED RIGHT NOW.[/quote]
Then you’re perfectly safe. This isn’t anything like a socialized system and won’t be paid for by everyone with higher taxes. You’re in good shape. Glad you support the plan.
November 10, 2009 at 1:03 PM in reply to: House crams healthcare bill down the countries throat. #480540Participant[quote=PlnrBoy] I am not saying reform wasn’t needed but a socialized system will be paid for by everyone by more taxes. THAT I DO NOT NEED RIGHT NOW.[/quote]
Then you’re perfectly safe. This isn’t anything like a socialized system and won’t be paid for by everyone with higher taxes. You’re in good shape. Glad you support the plan.
November 10, 2009 at 1:03 PM in reply to: House crams healthcare bill down the countries throat. #480623Participant[quote=PlnrBoy] I am not saying reform wasn’t needed but a socialized system will be paid for by everyone by more taxes. THAT I DO NOT NEED RIGHT NOW.[/quote]
Then you’re perfectly safe. This isn’t anything like a socialized system and won’t be paid for by everyone with higher taxes. You’re in good shape. Glad you support the plan.
November 10, 2009 at 1:03 PM in reply to: House crams healthcare bill down the countries throat. #480844Participant[quote=PlnrBoy] I am not saying reform wasn’t needed but a socialized system will be paid for by everyone by more taxes. THAT I DO NOT NEED RIGHT NOW.[/quote]
Then you’re perfectly safe. This isn’t anything like a socialized system and won’t be paid for by everyone with higher taxes. You’re in good shape. Glad you support the plan.
Participant[quote=Huckleberry]This puts a major dent in Obama’s plan for big gov’t and big spending. Especially the healthcare initiative!
This will start the movement of gov’t gridlock.
Obama (and his administration) is on his way to being dead in the water.[/quote]
Really? Let’s see what happened. Two new D house members in favor of serious health care reform, one (Geramendi) more liberal than the D he replaced (Ellen Tauscher) and the other, a blue dog (Owens in NY-23) who moved left, not right in his campaign.
So Obama gets two new reliable votes in the house (one of which has been reliably republican in the past, and somehow that translates in a bad thing for him?
Fantasy trumps reality?
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