[SK in CV]

[quote=SD Realtor]That is the thing. I am not democrat or republican but I marvel at those who defend each party simply because they think that this is the best we can do. SK you seem to be plenty satisfied with guys like Frank and Dodd and others like them. It doesn’t matter to me which party they belong to. I woul dpresume if Frank was not a democrat you guys would be all over him.

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I’m not sure about others, but all of congress effed up, along with regulators, including the Fed, Treasury, the SEC and a whole bunch of others. You’ll be hard pressed to find where I claimed I was plenty satisfied. I defended Frank only in regards to your assertion that he had some unique piece of responsibility for the housing bubble. That’s a purely policial claim, without any basis in reality. As far as my politics are concerned, I go with Will Rogers explanation, I’m not the member of any organized political party, I’m a democrat.

But democrats, including the current president have failed me miserably. But not, I suspect, for the same reason you think they’ve failed you. Even when they have power, they don’t initiate and create policy I think they want, they create watered down policy, like this financial reform, and health care reform, that Republicans won’t vote for anyway. Policy wise, on average, they’re mildly better than Republicans. Politically, they suck.

And as far as your last sentence, please review again. The vast majority of it went down during a Republican administration, with republican control of congress, and when dems were in control of congress, they acted like the inept political hacks they have proved over and over again they are. I’m not an idealogue. You won’t find me defending their ineptness. But neither will you find me exusing failed republican policy.

[SK in CV]

[quote=SD Realtor]That is the thing. I am not democrat or republican but I marvel at those who defend each party simply because they think that this is the best we can do. SK you seem to be plenty satisfied with guys like Frank and Dodd and others like them. It doesn’t matter to me which party they belong to. I woul dpresume if Frank was not a democrat you guys would be all over him.

[/quote]

I’m not sure about others, but all of congress effed up, along with regulators, including the Fed, Treasury, the SEC and a whole bunch of others. You’ll be hard pressed to find where I claimed I was plenty satisfied. I defended Frank only in regards to your assertion that he had some unique piece of responsibility for the housing bubble. That’s a purely policial claim, without any basis in reality. As far as my politics are concerned, I go with Will Rogers explanation, I’m not the member of any organized political party, I’m a democrat.

But democrats, including the current president have failed me miserably. But not, I suspect, for the same reason you think they’ve failed you. Even when they have power, they don’t initiate and create policy I think they want, they create watered down policy, like this financial reform, and health care reform, that Republicans won’t vote for anyway. Policy wise, on average, they’re mildly better than Republicans. Politically, they suck.

And as far as your last sentence, please review again. The vast majority of it went down during a Republican administration, with republican control of congress, and when dems were in control of congress, they acted like the inept political hacks they have proved over and over again they are. I’m not an idealogue. You won’t find me defending their ineptness. But neither will you find me exusing failed republican policy.

[SK in CV]

[quote=SD Realtor]That is the thing. I am not democrat or republican but I marvel at those who defend each party simply because they think that this is the best we can do. SK you seem to be plenty satisfied with guys like Frank and Dodd and others like them. It doesn’t matter to me which party they belong to. I woul dpresume if Frank was not a democrat you guys would be all over him.

[/quote]

I’m not sure about others, but all of congress effed up, along with regulators, including the Fed, Treasury, the SEC and a whole bunch of others. You’ll be hard pressed to find where I claimed I was plenty satisfied. I defended Frank only in regards to your assertion that he had some unique piece of responsibility for the housing bubble. That’s a purely policial claim, without any basis in reality. As far as my politics are concerned, I go with Will Rogers explanation, I’m not the member of any organized political party, I’m a democrat.

But democrats, including the current president have failed me miserably. But not, I suspect, for the same reason you think they’ve failed you. Even when they have power, they don’t initiate and create policy I think they want, they create watered down policy, like this financial reform, and health care reform, that Republicans won’t vote for anyway. Policy wise, on average, they’re mildly better than Republicans. Politically, they suck.

And as far as your last sentence, please review again. The vast majority of it went down during a Republican administration, with republican control of congress, and when dems were in control of congress, they acted like the inept political hacks they have proved over and over again they are. I’m not an idealogue. You won’t find me defending their ineptness. But neither will you find me exusing failed republican policy.

[SK in CV]

[quote=SD Realtor]That is the thing. I am not democrat or republican but I marvel at those who defend each party simply because they think that this is the best we can do. SK you seem to be plenty satisfied with guys like Frank and Dodd and others like them. It doesn’t matter to me which party they belong to. I woul dpresume if Frank was not a democrat you guys would be all over him.

[/quote]

I’m not sure about others, but all of congress effed up, along with regulators, including the Fed, Treasury, the SEC and a whole bunch of others. You’ll be hard pressed to find where I claimed I was plenty satisfied. I defended Frank only in regards to your assertion that he had some unique piece of responsibility for the housing bubble. That’s a purely policial claim, without any basis in reality. As far as my politics are concerned, I go with Will Rogers explanation, I’m not the member of any organized political party, I’m a democrat.

But democrats, including the current president have failed me miserably. But not, I suspect, for the same reason you think they’ve failed you. Even when they have power, they don’t initiate and create policy I think they want, they create watered down policy, like this financial reform, and health care reform, that Republicans won’t vote for anyway. Policy wise, on average, they’re mildly better than Republicans. Politically, they suck.

And as far as your last sentence, please review again. The vast majority of it went down during a Republican administration, with republican control of congress, and when dems were in control of congress, they acted like the inept political hacks they have proved over and over again they are. I’m not an idealogue. You won’t find me defending their ineptness. But neither will you find me exusing failed republican policy.

[SK in CV]

[quote=SD Realtor]You know what, you stick with your guy Barney Frank, and guys like Ddd and Schumer. Things have been great under their responsible leadership. Of course none of it was their fault and it was all due to Bush correct! You got it man, they can do no wrong!

Yeah alot of smart people didn’t see the bubble coming so I guess guys like us who were posting about it in 06 are the smartest guys in the world.

You really think he didn’t see it coming?

Really do you HONESTLY believe that deep down?[/quote]

Nice straw. YOU made the assertion. It’s up to you to come up with evidence. So far, not a whole lot of evidence of your claim. I’m looking for legislation which passed, or that they prevented from passing. Despite their political value, youtube videos and NY times articles are not a cause of the real estate bubble.

And no, I really don’t think most of them saw it coming. Even a lot of economists missed it. They’re politicians. Not a more than a handful of the 537 in Washington that understand economics. And one of them is a socialist.

[SK in CV]

[quote=SD Realtor]You know what, you stick with your guy Barney Frank, and guys like Ddd and Schumer. Things have been great under their responsible leadership. Of course none of it was their fault and it was all due to Bush correct! You got it man, they can do no wrong!

Yeah alot of smart people didn’t see the bubble coming so I guess guys like us who were posting about it in 06 are the smartest guys in the world.

You really think he didn’t see it coming?

Really do you HONESTLY believe that deep down?[/quote]

Nice straw. YOU made the assertion. It’s up to you to come up with evidence. So far, not a whole lot of evidence of your claim. I’m looking for legislation which passed, or that they prevented from passing. Despite their political value, youtube videos and NY times articles are not a cause of the real estate bubble.

And no, I really don’t think most of them saw it coming. Even a lot of economists missed it. They’re politicians. Not a more than a handful of the 537 in Washington that understand economics. And one of them is a socialist.

[SK in CV]

[quote=SD Realtor]You know what, you stick with your guy Barney Frank, and guys like Ddd and Schumer. Things have been great under their responsible leadership. Of course none of it was their fault and it was all due to Bush correct! You got it man, they can do no wrong!

Yeah alot of smart people didn’t see the bubble coming so I guess guys like us who were posting about it in 06 are the smartest guys in the world.

You really think he didn’t see it coming?

Really do you HONESTLY believe that deep down?[/quote]

Nice straw. YOU made the assertion. It’s up to you to come up with evidence. So far, not a whole lot of evidence of your claim. I’m looking for legislation which passed, or that they prevented from passing. Despite their political value, youtube videos and NY times articles are not a cause of the real estate bubble.

And no, I really don’t think most of them saw it coming. Even a lot of economists missed it. They’re politicians. Not a more than a handful of the 537 in Washington that understand economics. And one of them is a socialist.

[SK in CV]

[quote=SD Realtor]You know what, you stick with your guy Barney Frank, and guys like Ddd and Schumer. Things have been great under their responsible leadership. Of course none of it was their fault and it was all due to Bush correct! You got it man, they can do no wrong!

Yeah alot of smart people didn’t see the bubble coming so I guess guys like us who were posting about it in 06 are the smartest guys in the world.

You really think he didn’t see it coming?

Really do you HONESTLY believe that deep down?[/quote]

Nice straw. YOU made the assertion. It’s up to you to come up with evidence. So far, not a whole lot of evidence of your claim. I’m looking for legislation which passed, or that they prevented from passing. Despite their political value, youtube videos and NY times articles are not a cause of the real estate bubble.

And no, I really don’t think most of them saw it coming. Even a lot of economists missed it. They’re politicians. Not a more than a handful of the 537 in Washington that understand economics. And one of them is a socialist.

[SK in CV]

[quote=SD Realtor]You know what, you stick with your guy Barney Frank, and guys like Ddd and Schumer. Things have been great under their responsible leadership. Of course none of it was their fault and it was all due to Bush correct! You got it man, they can do no wrong!

Yeah alot of smart people didn’t see the bubble coming so I guess guys like us who were posting about it in 06 are the smartest guys in the world.

You really think he didn’t see it coming?

Really do you HONESTLY believe that deep down?[/quote]

Nice straw. YOU made the assertion. It’s up to you to come up with evidence. So far, not a whole lot of evidence of your claim. I’m looking for legislation which passed, or that they prevented from passing. Despite their political value, youtube videos and NY times articles are not a cause of the real estate bubble.

And no, I really don’t think most of them saw it coming. Even a lot of economists missed it. They’re politicians. Not a more than a handful of the 537 in Washington that understand economics. And one of them is a socialist.

[SK in CV]

[quote=SD Realtor]Oh SK this is to easy.

Here I googled “Barney Frank and the housing bubble” and here are just one of many many many links that came up.

Yeah I guess you are right, it is all rhetoric.

bwah hah hah hah…

Please feel free to comment on any one of the prized statements that Frank has made.

Barney Frank being a liar –

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UZ9l_AxKjA%5B/quote%5D
Ok, i watched that 3 times, listened to every word. Please be specific, what was his lie in that short video?

[quote=SD Realtor]Barney Frank in 2005 saying so many stupid things my head almost exploded:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iW5qKYfqALE%5B/quote%5D

Like a lot of people smarter than him, he didn’t see the bubble coming. That makes him personally responsible for it?

[quote=SD Realtor]
More Barney Frank..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpQ8JISf-Dc%5B/quote%5D

Nice, find a quote from before the bubble formed, at a time when neither of the GSEs had ANY involvement in sub-prime loans, and use it to discredit him after the bubble burst. Rediculous assertion.

[quote=SD Realtor]Basically AK if you actually look at the patterns of Franks comments and relentless PURSUIT of rejecting increased regulation of the GSEs he didn’t make one single misinformed statement. He REPEATEDLY fought regulation on the GSEs.

Google it yourself.[/quote]

Fought regulation? I think you have it backwards. He’s one of the few in congress that opposed Graham-Leach-Bliley in 1999, which deregulated the line between investment banks and commercial banks. He co-sponsored tighter regulations for the GSE’s, got a bill passed in the house in 2005, but it died in the Senate. Now which regulations of the GSE’s did he fight? Which increased regulation did he reject?

Can’t really find anything other than youtube videos which don’t really say much of anything other than titles which misrepresent their content? Like i said, heavy on political rhetoric, light on actual evidence.

[SK in CV]

[quote=SD Realtor]Oh SK this is to easy.

Here I googled “Barney Frank and the housing bubble” and here are just one of many many many links that came up.

Yeah I guess you are right, it is all rhetoric.

bwah hah hah hah…

Please feel free to comment on any one of the prized statements that Frank has made.

Barney Frank being a liar –

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UZ9l_AxKjA%5B/quote%5D
Ok, i watched that 3 times, listened to every word. Please be specific, what was his lie in that short video?

[quote=SD Realtor]Barney Frank in 2005 saying so many stupid things my head almost exploded:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iW5qKYfqALE%5B/quote%5D

Like a lot of people smarter than him, he didn’t see the bubble coming. That makes him personally responsible for it?

[quote=SD Realtor]
More Barney Frank..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpQ8JISf-Dc%5B/quote%5D

Nice, find a quote from before the bubble formed, at a time when neither of the GSEs had ANY involvement in sub-prime loans, and use it to discredit him after the bubble burst. Rediculous assertion.

[quote=SD Realtor]Basically AK if you actually look at the patterns of Franks comments and relentless PURSUIT of rejecting increased regulation of the GSEs he didn’t make one single misinformed statement. He REPEATEDLY fought regulation on the GSEs.

Google it yourself.[/quote]

Fought regulation? I think you have it backwards. He’s one of the few in congress that opposed Graham-Leach-Bliley in 1999, which deregulated the line between investment banks and commercial banks. He co-sponsored tighter regulations for the GSE’s, got a bill passed in the house in 2005, but it died in the Senate. Now which regulations of the GSE’s did he fight? Which increased regulation did he reject?

Can’t really find anything other than youtube videos which don’t really say much of anything other than titles which misrepresent their content? Like i said, heavy on political rhetoric, light on actual evidence.

[SK in CV]

[quote=SD Realtor]Oh SK this is to easy.

Here I googled “Barney Frank and the housing bubble” and here are just one of many many many links that came up.

Yeah I guess you are right, it is all rhetoric.

bwah hah hah hah…

Please feel free to comment on any one of the prized statements that Frank has made.

Barney Frank being a liar –

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UZ9l_AxKjA%5B/quote%5D
Ok, i watched that 3 times, listened to every word. Please be specific, what was his lie in that short video?

[quote=SD Realtor]Barney Frank in 2005 saying so many stupid things my head almost exploded:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iW5qKYfqALE%5B/quote%5D

Like a lot of people smarter than him, he didn’t see the bubble coming. That makes him personally responsible for it?

[quote=SD Realtor]
More Barney Frank..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpQ8JISf-Dc%5B/quote%5D

Nice, find a quote from before the bubble formed, at a time when neither of the GSEs had ANY involvement in sub-prime loans, and use it to discredit him after the bubble burst. Rediculous assertion.

[quote=SD Realtor]Basically AK if you actually look at the patterns of Franks comments and relentless PURSUIT of rejecting increased regulation of the GSEs he didn’t make one single misinformed statement. He REPEATEDLY fought regulation on the GSEs.

Google it yourself.[/quote]

Fought regulation? I think you have it backwards. He’s one of the few in congress that opposed Graham-Leach-Bliley in 1999, which deregulated the line between investment banks and commercial banks. He co-sponsored tighter regulations for the GSE’s, got a bill passed in the house in 2005, but it died in the Senate. Now which regulations of the GSE’s did he fight? Which increased regulation did he reject?

Can’t really find anything other than youtube videos which don’t really say much of anything other than titles which misrepresent their content? Like i said, heavy on political rhetoric, light on actual evidence.

[SK in CV]

[quote=SD Realtor]Oh SK this is to easy.

Here I googled “Barney Frank and the housing bubble” and here are just one of many many many links that came up.

Yeah I guess you are right, it is all rhetoric.

bwah hah hah hah…

Please feel free to comment on any one of the prized statements that Frank has made.

Barney Frank being a liar –

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UZ9l_AxKjA%5B/quote%5D
Ok, i watched that 3 times, listened to every word. Please be specific, what was his lie in that short video?

[quote=SD Realtor]Barney Frank in 2005 saying so many stupid things my head almost exploded:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iW5qKYfqALE%5B/quote%5D

Like a lot of people smarter than him, he didn’t see the bubble coming. That makes him personally responsible for it?

[quote=SD Realtor]
More Barney Frank..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpQ8JISf-Dc%5B/quote%5D

Nice, find a quote from before the bubble formed, at a time when neither of the GSEs had ANY involvement in sub-prime loans, and use it to discredit him after the bubble burst. Rediculous assertion.

[quote=SD Realtor]Basically AK if you actually look at the patterns of Franks comments and relentless PURSUIT of rejecting increased regulation of the GSEs he didn’t make one single misinformed statement. He REPEATEDLY fought regulation on the GSEs.

Google it yourself.[/quote]

Fought regulation? I think you have it backwards. He’s one of the few in congress that opposed Graham-Leach-Bliley in 1999, which deregulated the line between investment banks and commercial banks. He co-sponsored tighter regulations for the GSE’s, got a bill passed in the house in 2005, but it died in the Senate. Now which regulations of the GSE’s did he fight? Which increased regulation did he reject?

Can’t really find anything other than youtube videos which don’t really say much of anything other than titles which misrepresent their content? Like i said, heavy on political rhetoric, light on actual evidence.

[SK in CV]

[quote=SD Realtor]Oh SK this is to easy.

Here I googled “Barney Frank and the housing bubble” and here are just one of many many many links that came up.

Yeah I guess you are right, it is all rhetoric.

bwah hah hah hah…

Please feel free to comment on any one of the prized statements that Frank has made.

Barney Frank being a liar –

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UZ9l_AxKjA%5B/quote%5D
Ok, i watched that 3 times, listened to every word. Please be specific, what was his lie in that short video?

[quote=SD Realtor]Barney Frank in 2005 saying so many stupid things my head almost exploded:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iW5qKYfqALE%5B/quote%5D

Like a lot of people smarter than him, he didn’t see the bubble coming. That makes him personally responsible for it?

[quote=SD Realtor]
More Barney Frank..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpQ8JISf-Dc%5B/quote%5D

Nice, find a quote from before the bubble formed, at a time when neither of the GSEs had ANY involvement in sub-prime loans, and use it to discredit him after the bubble burst. Rediculous assertion.

[quote=SD Realtor]Basically AK if you actually look at the patterns of Franks comments and relentless PURSUIT of rejecting increased regulation of the GSEs he didn’t make one single misinformed statement. He REPEATEDLY fought regulation on the GSEs.

Google it yourself.[/quote]

Fought regulation? I think you have it backwards. He’s one of the few in congress that opposed Graham-Leach-Bliley in 1999, which deregulated the line between investment banks and commercial banks. He co-sponsored tighter regulations for the GSE’s, got a bill passed in the house in 2005, but it died in the Senate. Now which regulations of the GSE’s did he fight? Which increased regulation did he reject?

Can’t really find anything other than youtube videos which don’t really say much of anything other than titles which misrepresent their content? Like i said, heavy on political rhetoric, light on actual evidence.

[SK in CV]

[quote=SD Realtor]SK I do not need to sit and dig through the internet to come up with legislation Dodd and Frank worked on to champion homeownership and help make credit for anyone. It may be an accusatory statement by me but I know it to be true.

Barney Frank is the freeking head of the senate finance committee and if you think it is okay for a guy in that position to be ignorant and misinformed, (those were your words) then that is pathetic. To tolerate that sort of performance by someone in that position is quite simply a joke. Furthermore to let someone who already was stated to make ignorant and misinformed statements continue to author legislation of this magnitude falls into the category of dumb and dumber.

If you think he is working in your best interest then I do feel sorry for you.[/quote]

So….you really got nothing other than a single statement? Just lotta political rhetoric, but nothing specific?

That’s kinda what I thought.

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