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Oh, BTW, last night, Obama admitted the bill has flaws. Flaws that could have been discussed. But obviously the 100 senators didn’t read or didn’t care. Same with the Reps.[/quote]

Right. A flaw he has long acknowledged. One that was discussed. One insisted on by Republicans, in order to reduce the cost of the bill. Most laws aren’t perfect. They’re a product of negotiation where neither side gets exactly what they want. If every bill had to be perfect, none would ever get passed.

Arguing that an acknowledged flaw is proof that the bill wasn’t read is just a stupid argument.
Can you name a particular Senator or Rep who has actually claimed that they didn’t read the bill?

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[quote=no_such_reality]
Oh, BTW, last night, Obama admitted the bill has flaws. Flaws that could have been discussed. But obviously the 100 senators didn’t read or didn’t care. Same with the Reps.[/quote]

Right. A flaw he has long acknowledged. One that was discussed. One insisted on by Republicans, in order to reduce the cost of the bill. Most laws aren’t perfect. They’re a product of negotiation where neither side gets exactly what they want. If every bill had to be perfect, none would ever get passed.

Arguing that an acknowledged flaw is proof that the bill wasn’t read is just a stupid argument.
Can you name a particular Senator or Rep who has actually claimed that they didn’t read the bill?

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[quote=no_such_reality]
Oh, BTW, last night, Obama admitted the bill has flaws. Flaws that could have been discussed. But obviously the 100 senators didn’t read or didn’t care. Same with the Reps.[/quote]

Right. A flaw he has long acknowledged. One that was discussed. One insisted on by Republicans, in order to reduce the cost of the bill. Most laws aren’t perfect. They’re a product of negotiation where neither side gets exactly what they want. If every bill had to be perfect, none would ever get passed.

Arguing that an acknowledged flaw is proof that the bill wasn’t read is just a stupid argument.
Can you name a particular Senator or Rep who has actually claimed that they didn’t read the bill?

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[quote=no_such_reality]
Oh, BTW, last night, Obama admitted the bill has flaws. Flaws that could have been discussed. But obviously the 100 senators didn’t read or didn’t care. Same with the Reps.[/quote]

Right. A flaw he has long acknowledged. One that was discussed. One insisted on by Republicans, in order to reduce the cost of the bill. Most laws aren’t perfect. They’re a product of negotiation where neither side gets exactly what they want. If every bill had to be perfect, none would ever get passed.

Arguing that an acknowledged flaw is proof that the bill wasn’t read is just a stupid argument.
Can you name a particular Senator or Rep who has actually claimed that they didn’t read the bill?

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And one more thing…

[quote=no_such_reality]My senator and the people shouldn’t have to cram a bill through in two days.[/quote]

If you live in California, your senators read the bill and voted for it, without complaints.

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And one more thing…

[quote=no_such_reality]My senator and the people shouldn’t have to cram a bill through in two days.[/quote]

If you live in California, your senators read the bill and voted for it, without complaints.

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And one more thing…

[quote=no_such_reality]My senator and the people shouldn’t have to cram a bill through in two days.[/quote]

If you live in California, your senators read the bill and voted for it, without complaints.

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And one more thing…

[quote=no_such_reality]My senator and the people shouldn’t have to cram a bill through in two days.[/quote]

If you live in California, your senators read the bill and voted for it, without complaints.

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And one more thing…

[quote=no_such_reality]My senator and the people shouldn’t have to cram a bill through in two days.[/quote]

If you live in California, your senators read the bill and voted for it, without complaints.

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[quote=no_such_reality][quote=SK in CV]I read it. In its entirety. Numerous versions had been available online for more than 6 months. All of the markups were availabe the day after the various committees and conferences approved them. The full bill was available 48 hours before the vote. Anyone that didn’t read it, didn’t make the effort.[/quote]

Oh spare us your hyperbole. The senate bill was 2074 pages of legalize text and formatting. 48 hours, is a rush job to force a vote.

My senator and the people shouldn’t have to cram a bill through in two days.[/quote]

I call bull. Each page has the eqivilent of maybe 1/3 the lines of a paperback novel. With tons of titles and headings. Most of it I’d read before the final version, because it hadn’t changed. Final read through took me less than 4 hours. Everyone knew the vote was coming. If you weren’t prepared, that’s your fault. If your congressional rep wasn’t prepared, vote him out.

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[quote=no_such_reality][quote=SK in CV]I read it. In its entirety. Numerous versions had been available online for more than 6 months. All of the markups were availabe the day after the various committees and conferences approved them. The full bill was available 48 hours before the vote. Anyone that didn’t read it, didn’t make the effort.[/quote]

Oh spare us your hyperbole. The senate bill was 2074 pages of legalize text and formatting. 48 hours, is a rush job to force a vote.

My senator and the people shouldn’t have to cram a bill through in two days.[/quote]

I call bull. Each page has the eqivilent of maybe 1/3 the lines of a paperback novel. With tons of titles and headings. Most of it I’d read before the final version, because it hadn’t changed. Final read through took me less than 4 hours. Everyone knew the vote was coming. If you weren’t prepared, that’s your fault. If your congressional rep wasn’t prepared, vote him out.

[SK in CV]

[quote=no_such_reality][quote=SK in CV]I read it. In its entirety. Numerous versions had been available online for more than 6 months. All of the markups were availabe the day after the various committees and conferences approved them. The full bill was available 48 hours before the vote. Anyone that didn’t read it, didn’t make the effort.[/quote]

Oh spare us your hyperbole. The senate bill was 2074 pages of legalize text and formatting. 48 hours, is a rush job to force a vote.

My senator and the people shouldn’t have to cram a bill through in two days.[/quote]

I call bull. Each page has the eqivilent of maybe 1/3 the lines of a paperback novel. With tons of titles and headings. Most of it I’d read before the final version, because it hadn’t changed. Final read through took me less than 4 hours. Everyone knew the vote was coming. If you weren’t prepared, that’s your fault. If your congressional rep wasn’t prepared, vote him out.

[SK in CV]

[quote=no_such_reality][quote=SK in CV]I read it. In its entirety. Numerous versions had been available online for more than 6 months. All of the markups were availabe the day after the various committees and conferences approved them. The full bill was available 48 hours before the vote. Anyone that didn’t read it, didn’t make the effort.[/quote]

Oh spare us your hyperbole. The senate bill was 2074 pages of legalize text and formatting. 48 hours, is a rush job to force a vote.

My senator and the people shouldn’t have to cram a bill through in two days.[/quote]

I call bull. Each page has the eqivilent of maybe 1/3 the lines of a paperback novel. With tons of titles and headings. Most of it I’d read before the final version, because it hadn’t changed. Final read through took me less than 4 hours. Everyone knew the vote was coming. If you weren’t prepared, that’s your fault. If your congressional rep wasn’t prepared, vote him out.

[SK in CV]

[quote=no_such_reality][quote=SK in CV]I read it. In its entirety. Numerous versions had been available online for more than 6 months. All of the markups were availabe the day after the various committees and conferences approved them. The full bill was available 48 hours before the vote. Anyone that didn’t read it, didn’t make the effort.[/quote]

Oh spare us your hyperbole. The senate bill was 2074 pages of legalize text and formatting. 48 hours, is a rush job to force a vote.

My senator and the people shouldn’t have to cram a bill through in two days.[/quote]

I call bull. Each page has the eqivilent of maybe 1/3 the lines of a paperback novel. With tons of titles and headings. Most of it I’d read before the final version, because it hadn’t changed. Final read through took me less than 4 hours. Everyone knew the vote was coming. If you weren’t prepared, that’s your fault. If your congressional rep wasn’t prepared, vote him out.

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[quote=UCGal][quote=Djshakes]I don’t understand the vote regarding the commission members. They complied the report together but not all of them voted on it? The specifically word it in regards to being bi-partisan yet it was partisan in approval?[/quote]
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/dec/3/debt-panel-fails-test-vote/

Apparently it passed with a bipartison majority, but not the needed super majority. 11 of the 18 member commission voted for it.

The 7 that voted against it were bipartison… 3 republican elected officials, 3 democratic elected officials, and Andrew Stern, who is presumably a Dem since he was head of the SEIU in the past. (But I don’t know for sure… just a reasonable guess.)[/quote]

I suspect, and this is really no more than that, that the commission intentionally did not vote or file the report timely, so that no formal proposal would be made to congress. Most of those on the commission were either current or former members of congress. I’m guessing they didn’t really want to force congress to address so many of these hyper controversial issues. That, in my opinion anyway, was the extent of the bi-partisanship. They were united in avoiding the subject.

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