Forum Replies Created
-
AuthorPosts
-
SK in CV
Participant[quote=bearishgurl]You seem to getting personal again in ascribing all of HRC’s stated “phobes” to me, SK. I honestly believe that an (unk) portion of people who are verbally “polled” (whether in person on telephonically, unless it was actually during an “exit poll”) are disinclined to speak their truth in this election. That is, not to state to the pollster that they are supporting a candidate they deplore, but instead stating to the pollster that they hadn’t yet made up their minds and so just named a candidate to get rid of the pollster. Or stated they would vote for an Independent for President. At least this would be so in polls where their names would be known to the pollster. A lot of people just want to get through their day without calling undue attention upon themselves.
[/quote]
So you think people are lying in an anonymous poll, that they always have the option of not responding to? And somehow answering differently than they actual think, will somehow make the poll get finished faster?
It is personal. You know Trump is a horrendous racist, and don’t care. I think that’s deplorable.
And your personal poll really is meaningless. You’ve proved over and over again here that your personal experiences are not the same as most peoples.
I know 1 person voting for Trump. He’s a rabid and unashamed racist. So between the two of us, we’re pretty much even. Still meaningless.
Participant[quote=flu]Damn those pesky facts SK.[/quote]
Here’s some more pesky facts for those offended by the deplorable Trump supporters claim. (and before you make the asinine claim that I think all Trump supporters are deplorable, I don’t. I think most are. Facts support that.)
http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2016/09/daily-chart-8?fsrc=scn%2Ftw%2Fte%2Fbl%2Fed%2F
The Economist (a pretty conservative publication) published results of a “Racial Resentment Survey”. The variance between the median Trump and median Clinton supporter was striking, even for someone who thinks Trump is the most obnoxious character in American politics in the last 60 years.
Participant[quote=bearishgurl][quote=spdrun]That too. So we’d be increasing the police state for minimal benefit.[/quote]CA has an ICE checkpoint as well, usually situated just west of Winterhaven. However it was closed in recent weeks, likely due to intermittent road construction projects on I-8 for approx 100 miles. Not sure but it appears that the interstate may be in the process of widening east of the SD County mtns.[/quote]
I think it’s usually closed there. In fact, I’ve made that drive more than 20 times in the last 5 years. I’ve never see a checkpoint just west of Winterhaven. Tons of ICE agents hang out there near Gordon Wells. There’s been one on westbound 8, permanently, between El Cajon and the summit.
The highway project is between El Centro and Yuma.
Participant[quote=spdrun]
eVerify takes care of illegal’s getting jobs and will self deport. Next a change in policy to letting the border patrol do there thing should take care of the rest.
I don’t see why immigration (legal or illegal) is a big enough deal to justify expanding the surveillance state and police state. More electronic tracking of employees is the former, increased power of the Border Patrol is the latter.
The current situation is fine. Honestly, I’d rather work with quite a few illegal immigrants vs a lot of lazy-ass locally-born folk.[/quote]
It’s not a big enough deal. Illegal immigration is at the lowest level in decades. Hispanics are crossing the border in smaller numbers than in decades. The number of undocumented in the US is at the lowest level in decades.
Participant[quote=bearishgurl]Oh yeah, I know. Everyone is “deplorable” to HRC who isn’t a deep-enough pocketed donor to her foundation or campaign. Those deep pockets include the millions of “liberal elite” in CA. Having been a longtime local Dem activist myself for nearly nine years, no one knows this fact better than I do.
I don’t believe enough “minorities” (whatever that is supposed to mean) are being adequately polled by the major pollsters. The only “polls” which will be entirely believable are those votes which are cast for the November 8 election. You must know that many people aren’t going to speak their truth if they think they will just be chastised for it. Voting, whether by mail or in person, is private. This is the only act that will tell the tale.[/quote]
That’s pretty much bullshit. She was specific about who she finds deplorable. Racists. Xenophobes. Homophobes. Islamaphobes. Now the possibility exists that you don’t find any of these deplorable and you think the emancipation declaration was a mistake, and that slavery should still be legal. At this point, it wouldn’t surprise me. In which case, you fit in just perfectly with Trump voters.
Do you really think African Americans and Hispanics are lying to pollsters and claiming to support someone else and actually support Trump? Because that is the only way your claim that minorities aren’t being adequately polled works. (Unless you don’t believe in math, which given some of your claims, seems entirely possible.) I don’t know if you remember 4 years ago. But republicans across the country were “unskewing” the polls. The polls were pretty clear that Obama would win. Republicans, including some very prominent republicans were convinced otherwise. The polls ended up underestimating the Obama’s victory. So unskew, without any basis whatsoever, if it makes you feel better.
Participant[quote=bearishgurl]I have heard these suggestions (and more) from local “border-wall supporters” which are representative of local business people as well as individuals of ALL races and Nationalities including Hispanic, Filipino, Caucasian, Black, Native American and/or any combination thereof.
[/quote]
Trump support among minorities is almost non-existent. Hispanic support is less than 1/2 of what Romney’s was 4 years ago, which was 1/3 less than Bush’s 8 years earlier. In some surveys, his support among African Americans is, within the margin of error, zero.
More than half of his support is from deplorables. You know, racists, xenophobes, homophobes. Clinton’s mistake in describing that support is that she underestimated it. More than 30% of his supporters think that freeing the slaves was a mistake. Great group you’ve thrown yourself in with. He is a shitstain on the country’s underpants that will never come out.
Participant[quote=bearishgurl] I see that your great state of AZ (AriDzona, which I spent two entire days driving thru in recent weeks … SW to NE corner and vice versa) is turning redder by the day. [/quote]
No, it’s not getting redder. The ICE checkpoint on 8, east of the CA border doesn’t move. It’s been in the same place for at least 5 years.
Participant[quote=Hobie]His meeting with Mex Pres went very well.[/quote]
Oh yeah. Very well. “We’re not paying for your f’ing wall” is exactly why he said it wasn’t discussed.
Participant[quote=Hobie]Now add in the high cost of energy, EPA regs, unions and yup, we are doomed.
Where will the new jobs be if Hillary get elected?[/quote]
High cost of energy? Did you really say that? You may not have noticed but we’re closing in on 2 years of oil glut. And the reason that coal jobs aren’t coming back is that nobody needs the amount of coal that’s being mined. It has nothing to do with regulations or unions.
We can only hope that during Hillary Clinton’s two terms in office that job growth is as good as it’s been the last 78 or so months. Or as good as it was during Bills’ two terms.
Participant[quote=harvey]You do understand that the reason Johnson has such a clean record of investigative history is that because nobody gives enough of a fuck about him to do an investigation?
The Republican party has been trying to ‘nail’ Hillary since the early nineties. No other politician in US history – probably the history of the world – has been the target of so much dirt-digging and smearing.
And despite all that, the best they’ve got is, well, not much relative to any politician with a long career. However by shouting the accusations long and often enough, the media does get more than a few suckers to believe the accusations may be true, or even that they matter (see posts by AN for examples…)
A truck driver with decades of experience on the highway is going to have more traffic tickets than sixteen year old with a learner’s permit – which one would you rather have driving the tractor trailer full of your cargo?[/quote]
Bingo. Except its being going since Bill was governor of Arkansas. Literally scores of accusations over more than 3 decades and all they found was a blow job. That’s it. Nothing more. And that includes the current e-mail and Clinton Foundation fake scandals. There is absolutely nothing there.
Participant[quote=AN]Who voted for the Iraq war? What brought on ISIS? It doesn’t matter how many died. 1 is too many. But it matter more who lied about what.[/quote]
It doesn’t matter how many died? If 100 lies leads to 1 death, it’s worse than no lies leading to tens of thousands of deaths? What lies are you even talking about?
Participant[quote=moneymaker]Yes, retail is looking pretty bad, so unless there is a Santa Claus might not be a good year for them.[/quote]
Retail looks just fine. Stock prices got ahead of profits.
ParticipantNothing happened. A petulant move by the market because of signals of a 25 basis pt move from the fed. S&P was down about 2.5%, there might be another 2.5% in this move. Which is exactly what the fed wants. After that happens, this could be last opportunity before some serious fiscal stimulation after inauguration, particularly if there is a significant change in control in congress.
Take a good look at CAT and others at really cheap prices that will benefit from infrastructure spending. Consumer facing sectors will be a lot slower to recover.
Participant[quote=harvey][quote=AN]
Relative to Benghazi, email, pay-to-play state dept on one side and EVERYTHING about Trump on the other side. Hell yeah this is overblown nonsense.[/quote]You just compared Aleppo to Benghazi?
Yeah, just to elaborate, a few people died in Benghazi. Tens of thousands have died, and hundreds of thousands displaced in Aleppo.
There’s a lot of people in the US who have no idea who or what Aleppo is. And more than 30% who think the US should build a wall along the Atlantic coast to keep Muslims out. And I suspect almost all of them support 1 presidential candidate. The point I’m trying make here is that the country is filled with uninformed people.
That a small, though significant, percentage would support someone for president that doesn’t know what Aleppo is, is alarming. But a significant number also think something happened at Benghazi that should affect their presidential vote. There’s a lot of alarming shit going on.
-
AuthorPosts
