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Participant[quote=zk][quote=njtosd]
Both the Washington Post and the NYT, usually very pro Dem
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[quote=njtosd]
But I don’t trust them – there’s too much smoke for there to be no fire at all, [/quote]Wow. Here is the right-wing noise machine working its magic.
They tell you over and over again that the msm is “very pro dem.” So you believe it.
They have no fire to show you, so they use innuendo and half-truth to create the illusion of smoke, and you say there must be fire.
If you get trump, you deserve him.[/quote]
NYT btw, is NOT pro-Clinton. As a whole, they’ve pretty much hated the Clinton’s since the mid 90’s.
Participant[quote=bearishgurl][quote=SK in CV][quote=bearishgurl][quote=SK in CV] . . . with the exception of a blow job.[/quote]Umm, make that hundreds (thousands?) of blow jobs over a period of at least 22 years. [/quote]
No, a single blow job. That’s it.[/quote]If you say so . . . :=][/quote]
You’re aware of formal investigations that came up with blow jobs other than Monica Lewinsky? Is it material if there were more? Is it more material if a spouse of a candidate got blow jobs or the actual candidate himself? Because Trump has dozens of stories, including many he’s admitted to himself, both while he was married, and with married women. I’m pretty sure neither one has any effect on my vote. But i’m pretty sure it would on other people’s. We’ll probably find out in the next 2 weeks.
Participant[quote=bearishgurl][quote=SK in CV] . . . with the exception of a blow job.[/quote]Umm, make that hundreds (thousands?) of blow jobs over a period of at least 22 years. [/quote]
No, a single blow job. That’s it.
Participant[quote=njtosd]
She’s not squeaky clean. She’s a scrapper and frankly, does have a lot of “stamina.” But that doesn’t make her a girl scout. In my opinion, the cattle futures trading issue was HIGHLY unlikely to have been legit. She made the equivalent of $330,000 in 2016 dollars in *10 months* on a $3000 (in 2016 dollars) investment. Many of the investment laws and regs were not scrupulously followed, although that was not terribly unusual at the time. From wikipedia: “The editor of the Journal of Futures Markets said in April 1994, “This is like buying ice skates one day and entering the Olympics a day later. She took some extraordinary risks.”You seem to have an emotional attachment to Hillary that keeps you from seeing her “warts and all” as the saying goes. There are no politicians out there that are worth quoting Elton John over. They have their goals, and we vote for the ones whose goals come closest to ours. But that doesn’t make any of them Mother Theresa.[/quote]
It’s funny, I don’t actually have any kind of emotional attachment to her. 18 months ago I was hoping it would be almost anyone but her. Almost any Dem would have supported the political issues I care about most. She adapted her platform sufficiently to become acceptable to me.
The cattle futures thing was a long time ago. She made no claims that she did it by herself, she was getting advice from a professional. It wasn’t overnight, it was 10 months and dozens and dozens of trades. The only accusations of wrong doing was that profitable trades were made and then subsequently put into her account. Except there was no evidence this ever happened, and quite a bit of evidence that in some of her most profitable trades, it couldn’t have happened. And that she had some margin concessions that weren’t given to everyone. Investigations found no wrongdoing. Like every single investigation into her and her husband, no finding of wrongdoing, with the exception of a blow job.
Participant[quote=AN][quote=SK in CV]The undecided voter:
Imagine yourself on an airplane, and the flight attendant offers you a choice of two meals. “We have chicken or shit with bits of broken glass”. And you hesitate. And ask how the chicken is prepared.[/quote]
That’s what Trump supporter say too. Except it’s probably fillet mignon instead chicken.[/quote]Yeah, except Trump is objectively shit with bits of broken glass. Clinton is chicken.
Participant[quote=njtosd][quote=SK in CV]
To steal another’s words, she had the grace to hold herself, while those around her crawled.[/quote]
Now you’ve become entirely maudlin. That’s one of the most cringe-inducing lines I’ve seen in these threads. She’s a better choice than Trump, but she’s no prize pig, She also stood by while her husband did many of the things you accuse Trump of.[/quote]
Look, I disagree with a lot of her politics, and seriously question whether she will be the president of the policies that are currently part of her platform. But the woman has spent three decades being hounded by the press. She’s the most vetted candidate to ever run for president. She’s been accused of scores of things that either never happened, or what she did do has been twisted into something that wasn’t even close to the truth. Yet she stands there and still takes it. She doesn’t lose her cool. And she is always prepared.
Yeah, she stood by her husband. Trump never had a wife that thought he was good enough to fight for. If anyone thinks faults shared by Trump and Clinton make them equal, they’ve missed a lot. Those faults are the worst thing about Bill Clinton. They don’t even make the top 10 for Trump.
And yeah, I threw up a little bit as I typed that line. But that doesn’t mean they’re not true.
ParticipantThe undecided voter:
Imagine yourself on an airplane, and the flight attendant offers you a choice of two meals. “We have chicken or shit with bits of broken glass”. And you hesitate. And ask how the chicken is prepared.
Participant[quote=flu][quote=no_such_reality]Great article link Rich!
I’d guess as a starting place to look would be Trump Hotels and Casinos Resorts established in 1995 and BK’d in 2004 at about $1.8B in debt.
Which then renamed Trump Entertainment … that BK’d again in 2009 at another $1.2B.
If the business entity held the parked debt and failed to collect in nine years, an then another 5 would it still be enforceable?
Madoff debt parking ponzi scheme? Capone-esque tax avoidance?
Honestly, a true expose on this would be wonderful just to educate people.[/quote]
Just out of curiosity for those with tax background, why would the IRS not have ruled on this over the past years? Is it he keeps rolling it into one entity, after another?[/quote]
They have. He’s said all years are closed I think prior to 2010. Any rulings are confidential unless subject to a court decision, which there haven’t been any. So we have no way of knowing whether this $900 million deduction withstood scrutiny.
Participant[quote=Rich Toscano]Interesting thoughts from Hempton on the tax thing:
http://brontecapital.blogspot.com/2016/10/some-comments-on-new-york-times-story.html%5B/quote%5D
There have been a few discussion over the last 36 hours about this. Most of it is inside baseball stuff, not political, but more about the mechanics of getting that loss to his personal return. A lot of it has to do with the magic of both creating basis in a particular kind of pass through entity, and then passing it through to Trump as an ordinary loss v. a capital loss.
Someone posted on twitter a transcript of an interview Trump did around that time, acknowledging that he walked away from the 3 casino bk’s owing about $950 million in personally guaranteed. Not that he walked away from the debt, he still owed it. And expected he would have it paid off it a short time.
What was posted was an original return, still subject to audit. Undoubtedly it was audited, and it’s very likely that this is what started his string of getting audited every single year, as this loss could have affected his return every year up to and including 2010.
Participantdup.
Participant[quote=no_such_reality]Capital loss, operating loss, doesn’t really matter. The tax and business laws are (were) such that maximizing the paper loss ( real losses too) allows carry forward. Then discharging that loss with a BK.
I did loss realization thing in 2001 & 2002, I maximized my realized taxable losses to minimize taxes going forward. I still had more money than I had in 2000, I just didn’t have the vapor money I had in 2001. I skipped the BK part.
He lost a billion and 20 years later not only is still standing, but living larger.
I can point to all sorts of successful business that have lost a billion in any given year.
None of which changes my mind on not voting for him.[/quote]
It wasn’t a paper loss. It was a real loss. It wasn’t his stock losing value. Or likely even his real estate losing value. It was an operating loss.
It does really matter whether it was an operating loss or a capital loss. A $billion ordinary loss could cut his income tax bill by $400 million. A capital loss cuts his (and your) income by no more than $3,000 per year and tax by not much more than $1,200 a year. Maybe forever.
And I’m pretty sure you can’t point to very many individuals who have lost a billion dollars in one year on an operating business.
Participant[quote=no_such_reality]It’s actually sad watching the majority of the public being played with “squirrel”. World leader you like and respect … Or just glossing over “may”, $915M capital loss, that’s yuge, but I carried capital losses for a lot of the 2000s too.
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It wasn’t a capital loss. It’s an operating business loss. He ran a business that he lost almost a billion dollars of his own money. It was almost 2% of all net operating losses for all returns filed in 1995. Out of ever $100 lost in businesses across the country, Trump lost $2 of them. It may have been the biggest single loss of its kind of all time.
Participant[quote=cvmom]Unfortunately, I think some of the Trump voters are too embarrassed to tell the truth to pollsters. I remember during the primary season it seemed quite often that the Trump vote was significantly higher than predicted.[/quote]
That number of Trump voters that are embarrassed to tell the truth are dwarfed by unpolled non-Trump voters in almost every single market. Guaranteed.
October 1, 2016 at 9:53 PM in reply to: Trump businesses – Would you support his businesses? #801732Participant[quote=La Jolla Renter]What if Trump wins the election and has a successful term? What happens to the brand then? Does it thrive?[/quote]
Not a chance.
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