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Hard work is what most companies are built on. If the sole proprietor is successful, he/she will have to hire help eventually. If they are wildly succesful, the risk taker will be very wealthy. What I don’t understand is why, after that “stage” is reached, the pendulum swings the other way. Did the Waltons treat their first employees well, paying them more than they were making. Now, they can’t give up a fraction of their fortunes to give their employees benefits, as one example?

I agree that there is a return deserved for risk taking, but how much is enough? And if you strip away the supports of the low level, minimum wage types, how does the upper echelon continue to support their profits?

Not to sound like a presidential candidate, but I come from humble beginnings. I am the only person in my generation in my family with an advanced degree. My mother was the only one in her generation of my family with an undergrad degree. I went to public schools, did well, but faced a rude awakening at the elite college I attended when competing with other college students who went to prep schools, had travelled abroad, had parents who were doctors, lawyers, etc. My family existed and subsisted at times on welfare and food stamps–not because we sat around on the couch and did nothing, but because my mother’s jobs did not pay well in her early years and with a child to feed. She eventually chose a job helping others as a state-employed social worker so she still doesn’t make a fortune, but her living is adequate and she will hopefully have a decent retirement.

I can’t abide people saying that people who don’t make much aren’t working hard or don’t have ambition, etc. My mother worked two jobs most of her life, then I started working informally at 9 (no, not a paper route, that would be parental neglect to allow a child to do that in a ghetto neighborhood–not much readership and woe to you if you interrupt a drug transaction in the hallway).

When those who are doing extraordinarily well were born into privilege, or are being paid for ridiculous things like dribbling a basketball or driving cars really fast. Where is the societal contribution of these activities? They make more than doctors! Or my personal favorite, Stan’s CEO could run his company into the ground, and he could still receive a multimillion dollar severance! Wow, now there’s an incentive! How about we tax the shit out of that sort of income!

I think the greedy buttheads that complain because their taxes will go up by a few thousand dollars (they’ll barely notice) ought to suck it up. They, by and large, reaped the benefits of our economy through luck and privilege (and, in a fair number of cases, exploiting or breaking the rules). I guess they’ll have to forego that new Mercedes this year, crowding the garage with all the others. If you benefit from the AMerican dream, you ought to help finance that dream for others.

I can’t see how anyone can say they are working harder than another. Your gardener works hard to save the SoCal common white man from having to trim his own lawn. You’ll be whining when he tells you he is quitting his gardener job to go back to college…but probably he is doing that backbreaking work to put his kids through college, because he’s bought into the American dream, no matter whether he’s an American or not.

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Hard work is what most companies are built on. If the sole proprietor is successful, he/she will have to hire help eventually. If they are wildly succesful, the risk taker will be very wealthy. What I don’t understand is why, after that “stage” is reached, the pendulum swings the other way. Did the Waltons treat their first employees well, paying them more than they were making. Now, they can’t give up a fraction of their fortunes to give their employees benefits, as one example?

I agree that there is a return deserved for risk taking, but how much is enough? And if you strip away the supports of the low level, minimum wage types, how does the upper echelon continue to support their profits?

Not to sound like a presidential candidate, but I come from humble beginnings. I am the only person in my generation in my family with an advanced degree. My mother was the only one in her generation of my family with an undergrad degree. I went to public schools, did well, but faced a rude awakening at the elite college I attended when competing with other college students who went to prep schools, had travelled abroad, had parents who were doctors, lawyers, etc. My family existed and subsisted at times on welfare and food stamps–not because we sat around on the couch and did nothing, but because my mother’s jobs did not pay well in her early years and with a child to feed. She eventually chose a job helping others as a state-employed social worker so she still doesn’t make a fortune, but her living is adequate and she will hopefully have a decent retirement.

I can’t abide people saying that people who don’t make much aren’t working hard or don’t have ambition, etc. My mother worked two jobs most of her life, then I started working informally at 9 (no, not a paper route, that would be parental neglect to allow a child to do that in a ghetto neighborhood–not much readership and woe to you if you interrupt a drug transaction in the hallway).

When those who are doing extraordinarily well were born into privilege, or are being paid for ridiculous things like dribbling a basketball or driving cars really fast. Where is the societal contribution of these activities? They make more than doctors! Or my personal favorite, Stan’s CEO could run his company into the ground, and he could still receive a multimillion dollar severance! Wow, now there’s an incentive! How about we tax the shit out of that sort of income!

I think the greedy buttheads that complain because their taxes will go up by a few thousand dollars (they’ll barely notice) ought to suck it up. They, by and large, reaped the benefits of our economy through luck and privilege (and, in a fair number of cases, exploiting or breaking the rules). I guess they’ll have to forego that new Mercedes this year, crowding the garage with all the others. If you benefit from the AMerican dream, you ought to help finance that dream for others.

I can’t see how anyone can say they are working harder than another. Your gardener works hard to save the SoCal common white man from having to trim his own lawn. You’ll be whining when he tells you he is quitting his gardener job to go back to college…but probably he is doing that backbreaking work to put his kids through college, because he’s bought into the American dream, no matter whether he’s an American or not.

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Nice list, afx. I am going to be lazy (gotta do some work) and pile on, so “ditto.”

I also think, based on the analyses I have seen, I like Obama’s tax plan and energy plans better than McCain’s. I think O is more committed to banging out solutions in these areas and McCain’s ideas are short-sighted (perhaps this is to be expected, he won’t have to deal with this crap for much longer).

And choice of running mate is another straw in favor of judgment. I am a woman and would vote for Biden over Palin any day. What was McCain thinking? Guess he was being all mavericky again…

Not to diminish any of afx’s other points, which I agree with, I want to elaborate a little on your inspiration attribute (and to some degree, intelligence). One of the crowning achievements of the Reagan administration (or so the history books say–I was fairly young and clueless at the time, except I still hate him for letting them count ketchup a vegetable in public school lunches) was his ability to make the country look towards a more positive future at a time when the US was suffering economically and its prestige in the world was at rock bottom. Sound familiar? And, despite Palin’s sad misquotes of Reagan (or someone supposed to sound like him), she’s no Ronald Reagan.

We are going to need someone who can rally the workers–and, hint, it ain’t the members of the AARP–who are going to bear the financial burdens. Those of us under the age of AARP membership are going to be strapped with the financial fall-out for the next 20 or more years. While we may all be in a worse financial place soon, at least someone who is inspirational can help us feel better about it, create something to aspire to and encourage us to pull the load together. I think that is at the heart of a definition of a “leader.”

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Nice list, afx. I am going to be lazy (gotta do some work) and pile on, so “ditto.”

I also think, based on the analyses I have seen, I like Obama’s tax plan and energy plans better than McCain’s. I think O is more committed to banging out solutions in these areas and McCain’s ideas are short-sighted (perhaps this is to be expected, he won’t have to deal with this crap for much longer).

And choice of running mate is another straw in favor of judgment. I am a woman and would vote for Biden over Palin any day. What was McCain thinking? Guess he was being all mavericky again…

Not to diminish any of afx’s other points, which I agree with, I want to elaborate a little on your inspiration attribute (and to some degree, intelligence). One of the crowning achievements of the Reagan administration (or so the history books say–I was fairly young and clueless at the time, except I still hate him for letting them count ketchup a vegetable in public school lunches) was his ability to make the country look towards a more positive future at a time when the US was suffering economically and its prestige in the world was at rock bottom. Sound familiar? And, despite Palin’s sad misquotes of Reagan (or someone supposed to sound like him), she’s no Ronald Reagan.

We are going to need someone who can rally the workers–and, hint, it ain’t the members of the AARP–who are going to bear the financial burdens. Those of us under the age of AARP membership are going to be strapped with the financial fall-out for the next 20 or more years. While we may all be in a worse financial place soon, at least someone who is inspirational can help us feel better about it, create something to aspire to and encourage us to pull the load together. I think that is at the heart of a definition of a “leader.”

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Nice list, afx. I am going to be lazy (gotta do some work) and pile on, so “ditto.”

I also think, based on the analyses I have seen, I like Obama’s tax plan and energy plans better than McCain’s. I think O is more committed to banging out solutions in these areas and McCain’s ideas are short-sighted (perhaps this is to be expected, he won’t have to deal with this crap for much longer).

And choice of running mate is another straw in favor of judgment. I am a woman and would vote for Biden over Palin any day. What was McCain thinking? Guess he was being all mavericky again…

Not to diminish any of afx’s other points, which I agree with, I want to elaborate a little on your inspiration attribute (and to some degree, intelligence). One of the crowning achievements of the Reagan administration (or so the history books say–I was fairly young and clueless at the time, except I still hate him for letting them count ketchup a vegetable in public school lunches) was his ability to make the country look towards a more positive future at a time when the US was suffering economically and its prestige in the world was at rock bottom. Sound familiar? And, despite Palin’s sad misquotes of Reagan (or someone supposed to sound like him), she’s no Ronald Reagan.

We are going to need someone who can rally the workers–and, hint, it ain’t the members of the AARP–who are going to bear the financial burdens. Those of us under the age of AARP membership are going to be strapped with the financial fall-out for the next 20 or more years. While we may all be in a worse financial place soon, at least someone who is inspirational can help us feel better about it, create something to aspire to and encourage us to pull the load together. I think that is at the heart of a definition of a “leader.”

[Shadowfax]

Nice list, afx. I am going to be lazy (gotta do some work) and pile on, so “ditto.”

I also think, based on the analyses I have seen, I like Obama’s tax plan and energy plans better than McCain’s. I think O is more committed to banging out solutions in these areas and McCain’s ideas are short-sighted (perhaps this is to be expected, he won’t have to deal with this crap for much longer).

And choice of running mate is another straw in favor of judgment. I am a woman and would vote for Biden over Palin any day. What was McCain thinking? Guess he was being all mavericky again…

Not to diminish any of afx’s other points, which I agree with, I want to elaborate a little on your inspiration attribute (and to some degree, intelligence). One of the crowning achievements of the Reagan administration (or so the history books say–I was fairly young and clueless at the time, except I still hate him for letting them count ketchup a vegetable in public school lunches) was his ability to make the country look towards a more positive future at a time when the US was suffering economically and its prestige in the world was at rock bottom. Sound familiar? And, despite Palin’s sad misquotes of Reagan (or someone supposed to sound like him), she’s no Ronald Reagan.

We are going to need someone who can rally the workers–and, hint, it ain’t the members of the AARP–who are going to bear the financial burdens. Those of us under the age of AARP membership are going to be strapped with the financial fall-out for the next 20 or more years. While we may all be in a worse financial place soon, at least someone who is inspirational can help us feel better about it, create something to aspire to and encourage us to pull the load together. I think that is at the heart of a definition of a “leader.”

[Shadowfax]

Nice list, afx. I am going to be lazy (gotta do some work) and pile on, so “ditto.”

I also think, based on the analyses I have seen, I like Obama’s tax plan and energy plans better than McCain’s. I think O is more committed to banging out solutions in these areas and McCain’s ideas are short-sighted (perhaps this is to be expected, he won’t have to deal with this crap for much longer).

And choice of running mate is another straw in favor of judgment. I am a woman and would vote for Biden over Palin any day. What was McCain thinking? Guess he was being all mavericky again…

Not to diminish any of afx’s other points, which I agree with, I want to elaborate a little on your inspiration attribute (and to some degree, intelligence). One of the crowning achievements of the Reagan administration (or so the history books say–I was fairly young and clueless at the time, except I still hate him for letting them count ketchup a vegetable in public school lunches) was his ability to make the country look towards a more positive future at a time when the US was suffering economically and its prestige in the world was at rock bottom. Sound familiar? And, despite Palin’s sad misquotes of Reagan (or someone supposed to sound like him), she’s no Ronald Reagan.

We are going to need someone who can rally the workers–and, hint, it ain’t the members of the AARP–who are going to bear the financial burdens. Those of us under the age of AARP membership are going to be strapped with the financial fall-out for the next 20 or more years. While we may all be in a worse financial place soon, at least someone who is inspirational can help us feel better about it, create something to aspire to and encourage us to pull the load together. I think that is at the heart of a definition of a “leader.”

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[quote=Rustico]That comaprision is so unfair to Thomas. He really is a great little engine.[/quote]

Not to echo “Drill, baby, Drill,” but as to Thomas, he is indeed a really useful engine! 😉

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[quote=Rustico]That comaprision is so unfair to Thomas. He really is a great little engine.[/quote]

Not to echo “Drill, baby, Drill,” but as to Thomas, he is indeed a really useful engine! 😉

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[quote=Rustico]That comaprision is so unfair to Thomas. He really is a great little engine.[/quote]

Not to echo “Drill, baby, Drill,” but as to Thomas, he is indeed a really useful engine! 😉

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[quote=Rustico]That comaprision is so unfair to Thomas. He really is a great little engine.[/quote]

Not to echo “Drill, baby, Drill,” but as to Thomas, he is indeed a really useful engine! 😉

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[quote=Rustico]That comaprision is so unfair to Thomas. He really is a great little engine.[/quote]

Not to echo “Drill, baby, Drill,” but as to Thomas, he is indeed a really useful engine! 😉

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[quote=jficquette]Here would the mother of all surprises. Don’t look like it will happen now though.

“As WND reported, prominent Pennsylvania Democrat and attorney Philip J. Berg filed suit in U.S. District Court two months ago claiming Obama is not a natural-born U.S. citizen and therefore not eligible to be elected president. Berg has since challenged Obama publicly that if the candidate will simply produce authorized proof of citizenship, he’ll drop the suit.

Berg told WND the longer the DNC tries to ignore his lawsuit or make it go away – instead of just providing the documents – the more convinced he is that his accusations are correct.

“The real outrage is that there’s nothing in our system that provides that a candidate must provide that his qualifications are true and correct before he or she runs, and that safeguard should be put into our system by law,” Berg said.

http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=76933%5B/quote%5D

John, would you shut the “fiquette” up! Not this bullshit again. Do you think the candidates would have gotten this far if their credentials weren’t checked a long time ago. They are both Senators and I can assure you their citizenship is well established.

Leave it to John to always cite the most objective of media sources…NOT! I am sick of your bullshit and half-baked, half-brained drivel. What partisan lie-factory has you on their payroll? It’s disgusting having to wade through your crap to get to some well-thought through and intelligent discourse.

Why don’t you just put a lid on it if you can’t see through your own deluded haze or at least be discreet about the fact that you are a partisan whore?

[Shadowfax]

[quote=jficquette]Here would the mother of all surprises. Don’t look like it will happen now though.

“As WND reported, prominent Pennsylvania Democrat and attorney Philip J. Berg filed suit in U.S. District Court two months ago claiming Obama is not a natural-born U.S. citizen and therefore not eligible to be elected president. Berg has since challenged Obama publicly that if the candidate will simply produce authorized proof of citizenship, he’ll drop the suit.

Berg told WND the longer the DNC tries to ignore his lawsuit or make it go away – instead of just providing the documents – the more convinced he is that his accusations are correct.

“The real outrage is that there’s nothing in our system that provides that a candidate must provide that his qualifications are true and correct before he or she runs, and that safeguard should be put into our system by law,” Berg said.

http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=76933%5B/quote%5D

John, would you shut the “fiquette” up! Not this bullshit again. Do you think the candidates would have gotten this far if their credentials weren’t checked a long time ago. They are both Senators and I can assure you their citizenship is well established.

Leave it to John to always cite the most objective of media sources…NOT! I am sick of your bullshit and half-baked, half-brained drivel. What partisan lie-factory has you on their payroll? It’s disgusting having to wade through your crap to get to some well-thought through and intelligent discourse.

Why don’t you just put a lid on it if you can’t see through your own deluded haze or at least be discreet about the fact that you are a partisan whore?

[Shadowfax]

[quote=jficquette]Here would the mother of all surprises. Don’t look like it will happen now though.

“As WND reported, prominent Pennsylvania Democrat and attorney Philip J. Berg filed suit in U.S. District Court two months ago claiming Obama is not a natural-born U.S. citizen and therefore not eligible to be elected president. Berg has since challenged Obama publicly that if the candidate will simply produce authorized proof of citizenship, he’ll drop the suit.

Berg told WND the longer the DNC tries to ignore his lawsuit or make it go away – instead of just providing the documents – the more convinced he is that his accusations are correct.

“The real outrage is that there’s nothing in our system that provides that a candidate must provide that his qualifications are true and correct before he or she runs, and that safeguard should be put into our system by law,” Berg said.

http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=76933%5B/quote%5D

John, would you shut the “fiquette” up! Not this bullshit again. Do you think the candidates would have gotten this far if their credentials weren’t checked a long time ago. They are both Senators and I can assure you their citizenship is well established.

Leave it to John to always cite the most objective of media sources…NOT! I am sick of your bullshit and half-baked, half-brained drivel. What partisan lie-factory has you on their payroll? It’s disgusting having to wade through your crap to get to some well-thought through and intelligent discourse.

Why don’t you just put a lid on it if you can’t see through your own deluded haze or at least be discreet about the fact that you are a partisan whore?

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