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sdnativeson
ParticipantPersonal responsibility? How dare you speak contrary to “the what we are entitled to”.
Contraman sounds like some sort of a neocon fascist. How do you spend your evenings? Tasering your children and watching them twitch? Spend your weekends oppressing women and “minorities”? Vacations clubbing baby seals?I concur with your diatribe and of course the comments above are entirely tongue in cheek.
sdnativeson
Participantbsrsharma, Of course China wants to achieve it’s ends, any sovereign nation does and is expected to do so, the exception of course is the U.S. . What was really said?
Is it along the lines of we(China, India, Soviets, Japan etc.) are not your true ally, we are not your friend, we shall cripple you and impose our will upon you when we can do so with minimal risk to ourselves?It’s possible that in the interest of brevity, that so many critical aspects of the Chinese economy, government and their tenuous positions are unadressed in opinions here. I surmise however, that they are not even taken into consideration.
Criticizing the U.S. how completely unoriginal.
You have a low view of America and it’s citizenry – warranted on some counts but undeserved on so many more. Critical thought however, is often mistaken for original and/or creative which it’s not, its more indicative of the true “sheeple” mentality (I saw that term on another thread here, it’s appropriate).Your comment, how did a people so stupid as Americans get so full of hubris shows quite a lot into your mindset. Honestly, what is stupid is to tell the people that you have no respect for exactly that. Perhaps you suffer from the same flaw.
In any case the “nuclear option” comment, in my opinion, is an empty threat (while I never dismiss any “threat” there is a deeper psychology to them that has to be considered again, I see as ignored here). I can’t help but view this as ham-handed and almost juvenile.
Paul Craig Roberts well….. I’ll be crass, my opinion of him is along the lines of a popular Monty Python quip ” I **** in his general direction” or something to that effect.
Bush and his “cronies”, Clinton and his/her “cronies”, bob007 and his “cronies” to those who continuously bleat along these lines, I suggest that you “kick the dog” one last time and move on, nothing of any value will come of it.
And ultimately validates bsrsharmas opinion of us.“The task is not so much to see what no one has yet seen, but to think what nobody has yet thought, about that which everybody sees.”
sdnativeson
Participantbsrsharma, Of course China wants to achieve it’s ends, any sovereign nation does and is expected to do so, the exception of course is the U.S. . What was really said?
Is it along the lines of we(China, India, Soviets, Japan etc.) are not your true ally, we are not your friend, we shall cripple you and impose our will upon you when we can do so with minimal risk to ourselves?It’s possible that in the interest of brevity, that so many critical aspects of the Chinese economy, government and their tenuous positions are unadressed in opinions here. I surmise however, that they are not even taken into consideration.
Criticizing the U.S. how completely unoriginal.
You have a low view of America and it’s citizenry – warranted on some counts but undeserved on so many more. Critical thought however, is often mistaken for original and/or creative which it’s not, its more indicative of the true “sheeple” mentality (I saw that term on another thread here, it’s appropriate).Your comment, how did a people so stupid as Americans get so full of hubris shows quite a lot into your mindset. Honestly, what is stupid is to tell the people that you have no respect for exactly that. Perhaps you suffer from the same flaw.
In any case the “nuclear option” comment, in my opinion, is an empty threat (while I never dismiss any “threat” there is a deeper psychology to them that has to be considered again, I see as ignored here). I can’t help but view this as ham-handed and almost juvenile.
Paul Craig Roberts well….. I’ll be crass, my opinion of him is along the lines of a popular Monty Python quip ” I **** in his general direction” or something to that effect.
Bush and his “cronies”, Clinton and his/her “cronies”, bob007 and his “cronies” to those who continuously bleat along these lines, I suggest that you “kick the dog” one last time and move on, nothing of any value will come of it.
And ultimately validates bsrsharmas opinion of us.“The task is not so much to see what no one has yet seen, but to think what nobody has yet thought, about that which everybody sees.”
sdnativeson
Participantbsrsharma, Of course China wants to achieve it’s ends, any sovereign nation does and is expected to do so, the exception of course is the U.S. . What was really said?
Is it along the lines of we(China, India, Soviets, Japan etc.) are not your true ally, we are not your friend, we shall cripple you and impose our will upon you when we can do so with minimal risk to ourselves?It’s possible that in the interest of brevity, that so many critical aspects of the Chinese economy, government and their tenuous positions are unadressed in opinions here. I surmise however, that they are not even taken into consideration.
Criticizing the U.S. how completely unoriginal.
You have a low view of America and it’s citizenry – warranted on some counts but undeserved on so many more. Critical thought however, is often mistaken for original and/or creative which it’s not, its more indicative of the true “sheeple” mentality (I saw that term on another thread here, it’s appropriate).Your comment, how did a people so stupid as Americans get so full of hubris shows quite a lot into your mindset. Honestly, what is stupid is to tell the people that you have no respect for exactly that. Perhaps you suffer from the same flaw.
In any case the “nuclear option” comment, in my opinion, is an empty threat (while I never dismiss any “threat” there is a deeper psychology to them that has to be considered again, I see as ignored here). I can’t help but view this as ham-handed and almost juvenile.
Paul Craig Roberts well….. I’ll be crass, my opinion of him is along the lines of a popular Monty Python quip ” I **** in his general direction” or something to that effect.
Bush and his “cronies”, Clinton and his/her “cronies”, bob007 and his “cronies” to those who continuously bleat along these lines, I suggest that you “kick the dog” one last time and move on, nothing of any value will come of it.
And ultimately validates bsrsharmas opinion of us.“The task is not so much to see what no one has yet seen, but to think what nobody has yet thought, about that which everybody sees.”
sdnativeson
ParticipantThe Boxer Rebellion? Our (the U.S.) actual involvement as far as troops in combat was a minor percentage. One could argue that our Navy stationed in the Phillipines did play a significant part later on but mainly as a deterrent. The most prevalent American presence before the “war” was that of Missionaries. The French, Germans, British, Japanese and “Russians” were the primary antagonist colonial powers. True, if you are not Chinese -you are a barbarian and with the history/mindset of China that point is semi-moot as to its revelency as is the history in Wills post (though he notes a important fact).
I am entertained by the opinions of some on this thread, reading comments from other threads I assumed there would be a meticulous approach to the study of foreign markets, economies and the properties with which the operate, my mistake.
My opinion is that many here give China far too much “benefit of the doubt” as to their overall economic (and therefore political)strength & stability. Even more so than the awe that was prevalent towards Japan in the 80’s. It’s pretty much impossible to and predict our own markets and economy which operate fairly transparently, much less the opacity which most of China’s is behind.
I doubt that China would take this route – while it would clobber our economy immediately it won’t destroy it, I opine that in the longer run it will hurt them far more. Still, no reason for them not to try, given the political atmosphere in the U.S. but, I digress. Too many tangents to go off on, too many variables to ponder, too many worthless opinions to express and ultimately, too much work to do.
I think it’s an opportunity for the U.S. if those in power have the cojones to call it and the strength of will to follow it through and think of the long term result. The “easy” way hasn’t worked for the overall good of our economy sooner or later real pain has to set in. Let it be on our terms.
sdnativeson
ParticipantThe Boxer Rebellion? Our (the U.S.) actual involvement as far as troops in combat was a minor percentage. One could argue that our Navy stationed in the Phillipines did play a significant part later on but mainly as a deterrent. The most prevalent American presence before the “war” was that of Missionaries. The French, Germans, British, Japanese and “Russians” were the primary antagonist colonial powers. True, if you are not Chinese -you are a barbarian and with the history/mindset of China that point is semi-moot as to its revelency as is the history in Wills post (though he notes a important fact).
I am entertained by the opinions of some on this thread, reading comments from other threads I assumed there would be a meticulous approach to the study of foreign markets, economies and the properties with which the operate, my mistake.
My opinion is that many here give China far too much “benefit of the doubt” as to their overall economic (and therefore political)strength & stability. Even more so than the awe that was prevalent towards Japan in the 80’s. It’s pretty much impossible to and predict our own markets and economy which operate fairly transparently, much less the opacity which most of China’s is behind.
I doubt that China would take this route – while it would clobber our economy immediately it won’t destroy it, I opine that in the longer run it will hurt them far more. Still, no reason for them not to try, given the political atmosphere in the U.S. but, I digress. Too many tangents to go off on, too many variables to ponder, too many worthless opinions to express and ultimately, too much work to do.
I think it’s an opportunity for the U.S. if those in power have the cojones to call it and the strength of will to follow it through and think of the long term result. The “easy” way hasn’t worked for the overall good of our economy sooner or later real pain has to set in. Let it be on our terms.
sdnativeson
ParticipantThe Boxer Rebellion? Our (the U.S.) actual involvement as far as troops in combat was a minor percentage. One could argue that our Navy stationed in the Phillipines did play a significant part later on but mainly as a deterrent. The most prevalent American presence before the “war” was that of Missionaries. The French, Germans, British, Japanese and “Russians” were the primary antagonist colonial powers. True, if you are not Chinese -you are a barbarian and with the history/mindset of China that point is semi-moot as to its revelency as is the history in Wills post (though he notes a important fact).
I am entertained by the opinions of some on this thread, reading comments from other threads I assumed there would be a meticulous approach to the study of foreign markets, economies and the properties with which the operate, my mistake.
My opinion is that many here give China far too much “benefit of the doubt” as to their overall economic (and therefore political)strength & stability. Even more so than the awe that was prevalent towards Japan in the 80’s. It’s pretty much impossible to and predict our own markets and economy which operate fairly transparently, much less the opacity which most of China’s is behind.
I doubt that China would take this route – while it would clobber our economy immediately it won’t destroy it, I opine that in the longer run it will hurt them far more. Still, no reason for them not to try, given the political atmosphere in the U.S. but, I digress. Too many tangents to go off on, too many variables to ponder, too many worthless opinions to express and ultimately, too much work to do.
I think it’s an opportunity for the U.S. if those in power have the cojones to call it and the strength of will to follow it through and think of the long term result. The “easy” way hasn’t worked for the overall good of our economy sooner or later real pain has to set in. Let it be on our terms.
sdnativeson
Participantwhat an incredible opportunity for the U.S.
sdnativeson
Participantwhat an incredible opportunity for the U.S.
sdnativeson
Participantwhat an incredible opportunity for the U.S.
sdnativeson
ParticipantVrudny – LOL! well, it is A perspective.
sdnativeson
ParticipantVrudny – LOL! well, it is A perspective.
July 25, 2007 at 7:55 AM in reply to: Record High Foreclosures in California: 17,408 in 2nd quarter vs 11K in first #67555sdnativeson
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