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ParticipantHi Allan,
I always look forward to your post even if sometimes we disagree. I can be a hot headed jerk, but I do appreciate the finesse you have in making your points.
In regards to the first article- I think if we get a public option we will see a profit loss from insurance companies as they lower their premiums. Also, as people-like the folks in Mass can shop for the best/cheapest coverage of course profits will decrease. Please tell me and I know you will if I am wrong;)
I would never put price caps on insurance- I do believe though that with a public option it can regulate its self.
In regards to the Cato Institute article its hard for me to read it without my own bias stacked against it. The CI is a libertarian think tank so of course the notion of socialized care would horrify them!
Here is a paragraph from the article:
“In the three years since Massachusetts enacted its individual mandate, providers successfully lobbied to require 16 specific types of coverage under the mandate: prescription drugs, preventive care, diabetes self-management, drug-abuse treatment, early intervention for autism, hospice care, hormone replacement therapy, non-in-vitro fertility services, orthotics, prosthetics, telemedicine, testicular cancer, lay midwives, nurses, nurse practitioners and pediatric specialists.
The Massachusetts Legislature is considering more than 70 additional requirements.
Those requirements can increase premiums by 14 percent or more.”
I don’t like the word “can” in the last sentence only because it is a speculation. Its an educated guess, but its not fact.
Another paragraph
“One way insurers can avoid the $50,000 patients is to drop benefits those customers find attractive. Shelby Rogers is a 12-year-old girl with spinal muscular atrophy, whose parents chose an Aetna plan through the price-controlled health insurance exchange for federal workers. Last year, Aetna announced it would drop coverage for Shelby’s 12-hour-a-day nurse, who, among other things, helps Shelby avoid bedsores by turning her over at night. An Aetna spokesman explained the reason was to avoid offering a benefit that causes the sickest patients to flock to the plan.”
Shelby’s parents can shop for another plan. Also, this is already happening in other states without any public option whatsoever. Honestly Allan, 12 hour a day nursing care. My plan is Blue Cross HMO after i spend a million dollars that’s it no more and many insurers are the same. This girl is 12…when she’s my age she would have exhausted her health benefits and no one else would want to insure her. She would/will eventually be on Medicaid regardless, because her parents cannot work forever.
Also, Aetna must have hated the bad press because they reinstated her current care for 2009 though won’t promise for 2010.
I’m not suprised that was said by Aetna, because they are still in it for profit.
The article is a good one, but it cuts off the rest of Merrit Hawkins findings about long waits that have increased “Phil Miller, vice president of public relations for Merritt Hawkins and Associates, sees one clear solution to long wait times:
“We need to be training more physicians, particularly primary care physicians,” he says. “We have been training the same number of doctors for the past 25 years, but a lot has changed in the last quarter-century”.
I am also wary of statements like these “Though initially popular, enthusiasm for the Massachusetts reforms may be on the wane. A recent poll found that more Massachusetts voters say the law has made health insurance less affordable (27 percent) than believe it has made coverage more affordable (21 percent). Voters who believe the reforms have been a failure outnumber those who believe the reforms have been a success by 37 percent to 26 percent”.
“May be on the wane”. Is it or isn’t it? Who did this poll? When was it taken? How many people participated?
Here’s an article by the Harvard School of Health with a poll saying the complete opposite its a year old, but taken two years after the laws implementation:
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/press-releases/2008-releases/hsph-bcbs-poll-strong-support-for-ma-health-reform-law.htmlOne thing I noticed in the third article right away is that it states Mass already had the longest waits before 2006. Now they are longer, but they use Merrit Hawkins in the previous article and their findings show (which didn’t make it into the article) that all cities have seen an increase in wait times. So it seems natural that Mass still has the highest with or with out the health laws.
Allan, I get that it’s not without flaws I do. Its ill funded in 2009, but it wasn’t so bad in 2006. The recession has got to play a part in that.
Thank you for the articles I will read them again. I’m not trying to discredit the Cato Institute and they have been bipartisan in a number of issues and openly opposed Bush Jr. so they are immediately in my favor! They are Libertarian though and I can see and empathize how Obama and any notion of socialized care could rattle them to their bones.
ParticipantHi Allan,
I always look forward to your post even if sometimes we disagree. I can be a hot headed jerk, but I do appreciate the finesse you have in making your points.
In regards to the first article- I think if we get a public option we will see a profit loss from insurance companies as they lower their premiums. Also, as people-like the folks in Mass can shop for the best/cheapest coverage of course profits will decrease. Please tell me and I know you will if I am wrong;)
I would never put price caps on insurance- I do believe though that with a public option it can regulate its self.
In regards to the Cato Institute article its hard for me to read it without my own bias stacked against it. The CI is a libertarian think tank so of course the notion of socialized care would horrify them!
Here is a paragraph from the article:
“In the three years since Massachusetts enacted its individual mandate, providers successfully lobbied to require 16 specific types of coverage under the mandate: prescription drugs, preventive care, diabetes self-management, drug-abuse treatment, early intervention for autism, hospice care, hormone replacement therapy, non-in-vitro fertility services, orthotics, prosthetics, telemedicine, testicular cancer, lay midwives, nurses, nurse practitioners and pediatric specialists.
The Massachusetts Legislature is considering more than 70 additional requirements.
Those requirements can increase premiums by 14 percent or more.”
I don’t like the word “can” in the last sentence only because it is a speculation. Its an educated guess, but its not fact.
Another paragraph
“One way insurers can avoid the $50,000 patients is to drop benefits those customers find attractive. Shelby Rogers is a 12-year-old girl with spinal muscular atrophy, whose parents chose an Aetna plan through the price-controlled health insurance exchange for federal workers. Last year, Aetna announced it would drop coverage for Shelby’s 12-hour-a-day nurse, who, among other things, helps Shelby avoid bedsores by turning her over at night. An Aetna spokesman explained the reason was to avoid offering a benefit that causes the sickest patients to flock to the plan.”
Shelby’s parents can shop for another plan. Also, this is already happening in other states without any public option whatsoever. Honestly Allan, 12 hour a day nursing care. My plan is Blue Cross HMO after i spend a million dollars that’s it no more and many insurers are the same. This girl is 12…when she’s my age she would have exhausted her health benefits and no one else would want to insure her. She would/will eventually be on Medicaid regardless, because her parents cannot work forever.
Also, Aetna must have hated the bad press because they reinstated her current care for 2009 though won’t promise for 2010.
I’m not suprised that was said by Aetna, because they are still in it for profit.
The article is a good one, but it cuts off the rest of Merrit Hawkins findings about long waits that have increased “Phil Miller, vice president of public relations for Merritt Hawkins and Associates, sees one clear solution to long wait times:
“We need to be training more physicians, particularly primary care physicians,” he says. “We have been training the same number of doctors for the past 25 years, but a lot has changed in the last quarter-century”.
I am also wary of statements like these “Though initially popular, enthusiasm for the Massachusetts reforms may be on the wane. A recent poll found that more Massachusetts voters say the law has made health insurance less affordable (27 percent) than believe it has made coverage more affordable (21 percent). Voters who believe the reforms have been a failure outnumber those who believe the reforms have been a success by 37 percent to 26 percent”.
“May be on the wane”. Is it or isn’t it? Who did this poll? When was it taken? How many people participated?
Here’s an article by the Harvard School of Health with a poll saying the complete opposite its a year old, but taken two years after the laws implementation:
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/press-releases/2008-releases/hsph-bcbs-poll-strong-support-for-ma-health-reform-law.htmlOne thing I noticed in the third article right away is that it states Mass already had the longest waits before 2006. Now they are longer, but they use Merrit Hawkins in the previous article and their findings show (which didn’t make it into the article) that all cities have seen an increase in wait times. So it seems natural that Mass still has the highest with or with out the health laws.
Allan, I get that it’s not without flaws I do. Its ill funded in 2009, but it wasn’t so bad in 2006. The recession has got to play a part in that.
Thank you for the articles I will read them again. I’m not trying to discredit the Cato Institute and they have been bipartisan in a number of issues and openly opposed Bush Jr. so they are immediately in my favor! They are Libertarian though and I can see and empathize how Obama and any notion of socialized care could rattle them to their bones.
ParticipantHi Allan,
I always look forward to your post even if sometimes we disagree. I can be a hot headed jerk, but I do appreciate the finesse you have in making your points.
In regards to the first article- I think if we get a public option we will see a profit loss from insurance companies as they lower their premiums. Also, as people-like the folks in Mass can shop for the best/cheapest coverage of course profits will decrease. Please tell me and I know you will if I am wrong;)
I would never put price caps on insurance- I do believe though that with a public option it can regulate its self.
In regards to the Cato Institute article its hard for me to read it without my own bias stacked against it. The CI is a libertarian think tank so of course the notion of socialized care would horrify them!
Here is a paragraph from the article:
“In the three years since Massachusetts enacted its individual mandate, providers successfully lobbied to require 16 specific types of coverage under the mandate: prescription drugs, preventive care, diabetes self-management, drug-abuse treatment, early intervention for autism, hospice care, hormone replacement therapy, non-in-vitro fertility services, orthotics, prosthetics, telemedicine, testicular cancer, lay midwives, nurses, nurse practitioners and pediatric specialists.
The Massachusetts Legislature is considering more than 70 additional requirements.
Those requirements can increase premiums by 14 percent or more.”
I don’t like the word “can” in the last sentence only because it is a speculation. Its an educated guess, but its not fact.
Another paragraph
“One way insurers can avoid the $50,000 patients is to drop benefits those customers find attractive. Shelby Rogers is a 12-year-old girl with spinal muscular atrophy, whose parents chose an Aetna plan through the price-controlled health insurance exchange for federal workers. Last year, Aetna announced it would drop coverage for Shelby’s 12-hour-a-day nurse, who, among other things, helps Shelby avoid bedsores by turning her over at night. An Aetna spokesman explained the reason was to avoid offering a benefit that causes the sickest patients to flock to the plan.”
Shelby’s parents can shop for another plan. Also, this is already happening in other states without any public option whatsoever. Honestly Allan, 12 hour a day nursing care. My plan is Blue Cross HMO after i spend a million dollars that’s it no more and many insurers are the same. This girl is 12…when she’s my age she would have exhausted her health benefits and no one else would want to insure her. She would/will eventually be on Medicaid regardless, because her parents cannot work forever.
Also, Aetna must have hated the bad press because they reinstated her current care for 2009 though won’t promise for 2010.
I’m not suprised that was said by Aetna, because they are still in it for profit.
The article is a good one, but it cuts off the rest of Merrit Hawkins findings about long waits that have increased “Phil Miller, vice president of public relations for Merritt Hawkins and Associates, sees one clear solution to long wait times:
“We need to be training more physicians, particularly primary care physicians,” he says. “We have been training the same number of doctors for the past 25 years, but a lot has changed in the last quarter-century”.
I am also wary of statements like these “Though initially popular, enthusiasm for the Massachusetts reforms may be on the wane. A recent poll found that more Massachusetts voters say the law has made health insurance less affordable (27 percent) than believe it has made coverage more affordable (21 percent). Voters who believe the reforms have been a failure outnumber those who believe the reforms have been a success by 37 percent to 26 percent”.
“May be on the wane”. Is it or isn’t it? Who did this poll? When was it taken? How many people participated?
Here’s an article by the Harvard School of Health with a poll saying the complete opposite its a year old, but taken two years after the laws implementation:
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/press-releases/2008-releases/hsph-bcbs-poll-strong-support-for-ma-health-reform-law.htmlOne thing I noticed in the third article right away is that it states Mass already had the longest waits before 2006. Now they are longer, but they use Merrit Hawkins in the previous article and their findings show (which didn’t make it into the article) that all cities have seen an increase in wait times. So it seems natural that Mass still has the highest with or with out the health laws.
Allan, I get that it’s not without flaws I do. Its ill funded in 2009, but it wasn’t so bad in 2006. The recession has got to play a part in that.
Thank you for the articles I will read them again. I’m not trying to discredit the Cato Institute and they have been bipartisan in a number of issues and openly opposed Bush Jr. so they are immediately in my favor! They are Libertarian though and I can see and empathize how Obama and any notion of socialized care could rattle them to their bones.
Participant[quote=afx114]The majority of research happens in universities, many of which are public. When’s the last time you heard of a corporation coming up with a breakthrough in something other than a drug to make your weiner hard?
[/quote]I just blew hot coffee out of my nose when i read that!
Participant[quote=afx114]The majority of research happens in universities, many of which are public. When’s the last time you heard of a corporation coming up with a breakthrough in something other than a drug to make your weiner hard?
[/quote]I just blew hot coffee out of my nose when i read that!
Participant[quote=afx114]The majority of research happens in universities, many of which are public. When’s the last time you heard of a corporation coming up with a breakthrough in something other than a drug to make your weiner hard?
[/quote]I just blew hot coffee out of my nose when i read that!
Participant[quote=afx114]The majority of research happens in universities, many of which are public. When’s the last time you heard of a corporation coming up with a breakthrough in something other than a drug to make your weiner hard?
[/quote]I just blew hot coffee out of my nose when i read that!
Participant[quote=afx114]The majority of research happens in universities, many of which are public. When’s the last time you heard of a corporation coming up with a breakthrough in something other than a drug to make your weiner hard?
[/quote]I just blew hot coffee out of my nose when i read that!
Participant“Well of course they do! They certainly don’t have to deal with the size of our population, illegal immigration. Why would anyone say free money is bad? When they can basically write a blank check, who’s going to say it’s a bad system? It’s only when the system starts going through stresses (which is becoming apparent now), that people start questioning things”.
I’ve said this before in another post. I understand the difficulty in the situation because all the other countries in Europe and Canada do not have a third world country right below it with thousands of people daily willing to die to leave it.
I do know that the VA has negotiated prescription prices and that they are cheaper under that than under Medicare.
http://www.herc.research.va.gov/resources/faq_b06.asp
You also don’t think that part of the reason Medicare cost more than private is the fact that the typical Medicare patient is elderly, with more hospital stays and more disabilities? You really thinks its fair to compare the typical Medicare participator with a typical working person who has private insurance?
Yes, there are VA horror stories, but I ask you to go to the home in Chula Vista and come back and report to me how terrible it is.
Having experienced the VA system I can personally say it was amazing and the care my family received was better than what I’ve experienced with my own private insurer.
“Massachusetts but they are a perfect example of what the democrats want. Interestingly enough it was instituted by a republican, Mitt Romney. Most employers have dumped their employees into the public insurance pool and the amount of people in that insurance pool has skyrocketed so badly they have started removing people from that pool, and made them ineligible for benefits.”
Most employers have dumped their workers insurance? I looked over and over and there is no factual evidence that this is happening. About 3% of employers dropped insurance and took the $249 penalty for each unisured employee. In fact 150,000 more people have become insured by their employers.
Mass has more and more people under their care partly because of the recession and the loss of jobs and dwindling incomes.
I will not argue that Mass has not had a tough time and it is perfect, but your incorrect fear-mongering that thousands were dropped and employers are fleeing is inaccurate until you can provide me scholastic proof otherwise.
You also should clarify who was removed and it was immigrants living in Mass less than five years. It was not life long residents kicked out of the system. Also, those immigrants are now covered under the Commonwealth Care program. The only thing they will not cover them for is dental and hospice care. Sorry you are simply wrong it was reinstated August 10.
“If you think that introducing a public option will not have worse effects than just forcing insurance companies to lower their rates, you are in for a rude awakening. No business can compete with the government. The government does not have to pay taxes, it does not have to be fiscally responsible, and it can spend pretty much however it wants. There’s just no way to compete with that. What is more likely is that insurance will choose not to provide those insurance services and that business to lower their costs will force employees to use the public option”.
Have you studied the Swiss system, because they have magically been able to have Universal Care and Private Insurance. Sorry you are wrong and its working now. Private insurance companies are still making money even though they are regulated like the dickens.
I don’t think I will be done calling people names either.
Participant“Well of course they do! They certainly don’t have to deal with the size of our population, illegal immigration. Why would anyone say free money is bad? When they can basically write a blank check, who’s going to say it’s a bad system? It’s only when the system starts going through stresses (which is becoming apparent now), that people start questioning things”.
I’ve said this before in another post. I understand the difficulty in the situation because all the other countries in Europe and Canada do not have a third world country right below it with thousands of people daily willing to die to leave it.
I do know that the VA has negotiated prescription prices and that they are cheaper under that than under Medicare.
http://www.herc.research.va.gov/resources/faq_b06.asp
You also don’t think that part of the reason Medicare cost more than private is the fact that the typical Medicare patient is elderly, with more hospital stays and more disabilities? You really thinks its fair to compare the typical Medicare participator with a typical working person who has private insurance?
Yes, there are VA horror stories, but I ask you to go to the home in Chula Vista and come back and report to me how terrible it is.
Having experienced the VA system I can personally say it was amazing and the care my family received was better than what I’ve experienced with my own private insurer.
“Massachusetts but they are a perfect example of what the democrats want. Interestingly enough it was instituted by a republican, Mitt Romney. Most employers have dumped their employees into the public insurance pool and the amount of people in that insurance pool has skyrocketed so badly they have started removing people from that pool, and made them ineligible for benefits.”
Most employers have dumped their workers insurance? I looked over and over and there is no factual evidence that this is happening. About 3% of employers dropped insurance and took the $249 penalty for each unisured employee. In fact 150,000 more people have become insured by their employers.
Mass has more and more people under their care partly because of the recession and the loss of jobs and dwindling incomes.
I will not argue that Mass has not had a tough time and it is perfect, but your incorrect fear-mongering that thousands were dropped and employers are fleeing is inaccurate until you can provide me scholastic proof otherwise.
You also should clarify who was removed and it was immigrants living in Mass less than five years. It was not life long residents kicked out of the system. Also, those immigrants are now covered under the Commonwealth Care program. The only thing they will not cover them for is dental and hospice care. Sorry you are simply wrong it was reinstated August 10.
“If you think that introducing a public option will not have worse effects than just forcing insurance companies to lower their rates, you are in for a rude awakening. No business can compete with the government. The government does not have to pay taxes, it does not have to be fiscally responsible, and it can spend pretty much however it wants. There’s just no way to compete with that. What is more likely is that insurance will choose not to provide those insurance services and that business to lower their costs will force employees to use the public option”.
Have you studied the Swiss system, because they have magically been able to have Universal Care and Private Insurance. Sorry you are wrong and its working now. Private insurance companies are still making money even though they are regulated like the dickens.
I don’t think I will be done calling people names either.
Participant“Well of course they do! They certainly don’t have to deal with the size of our population, illegal immigration. Why would anyone say free money is bad? When they can basically write a blank check, who’s going to say it’s a bad system? It’s only when the system starts going through stresses (which is becoming apparent now), that people start questioning things”.
I’ve said this before in another post. I understand the difficulty in the situation because all the other countries in Europe and Canada do not have a third world country right below it with thousands of people daily willing to die to leave it.
I do know that the VA has negotiated prescription prices and that they are cheaper under that than under Medicare.
http://www.herc.research.va.gov/resources/faq_b06.asp
You also don’t think that part of the reason Medicare cost more than private is the fact that the typical Medicare patient is elderly, with more hospital stays and more disabilities? You really thinks its fair to compare the typical Medicare participator with a typical working person who has private insurance?
Yes, there are VA horror stories, but I ask you to go to the home in Chula Vista and come back and report to me how terrible it is.
Having experienced the VA system I can personally say it was amazing and the care my family received was better than what I’ve experienced with my own private insurer.
“Massachusetts but they are a perfect example of what the democrats want. Interestingly enough it was instituted by a republican, Mitt Romney. Most employers have dumped their employees into the public insurance pool and the amount of people in that insurance pool has skyrocketed so badly they have started removing people from that pool, and made them ineligible for benefits.”
Most employers have dumped their workers insurance? I looked over and over and there is no factual evidence that this is happening. About 3% of employers dropped insurance and took the $249 penalty for each unisured employee. In fact 150,000 more people have become insured by their employers.
Mass has more and more people under their care partly because of the recession and the loss of jobs and dwindling incomes.
I will not argue that Mass has not had a tough time and it is perfect, but your incorrect fear-mongering that thousands were dropped and employers are fleeing is inaccurate until you can provide me scholastic proof otherwise.
You also should clarify who was removed and it was immigrants living in Mass less than five years. It was not life long residents kicked out of the system. Also, those immigrants are now covered under the Commonwealth Care program. The only thing they will not cover them for is dental and hospice care. Sorry you are simply wrong it was reinstated August 10.
“If you think that introducing a public option will not have worse effects than just forcing insurance companies to lower their rates, you are in for a rude awakening. No business can compete with the government. The government does not have to pay taxes, it does not have to be fiscally responsible, and it can spend pretty much however it wants. There’s just no way to compete with that. What is more likely is that insurance will choose not to provide those insurance services and that business to lower their costs will force employees to use the public option”.
Have you studied the Swiss system, because they have magically been able to have Universal Care and Private Insurance. Sorry you are wrong and its working now. Private insurance companies are still making money even though they are regulated like the dickens.
I don’t think I will be done calling people names either.
Participant“Well of course they do! They certainly don’t have to deal with the size of our population, illegal immigration. Why would anyone say free money is bad? When they can basically write a blank check, who’s going to say it’s a bad system? It’s only when the system starts going through stresses (which is becoming apparent now), that people start questioning things”.
I’ve said this before in another post. I understand the difficulty in the situation because all the other countries in Europe and Canada do not have a third world country right below it with thousands of people daily willing to die to leave it.
I do know that the VA has negotiated prescription prices and that they are cheaper under that than under Medicare.
http://www.herc.research.va.gov/resources/faq_b06.asp
You also don’t think that part of the reason Medicare cost more than private is the fact that the typical Medicare patient is elderly, with more hospital stays and more disabilities? You really thinks its fair to compare the typical Medicare participator with a typical working person who has private insurance?
Yes, there are VA horror stories, but I ask you to go to the home in Chula Vista and come back and report to me how terrible it is.
Having experienced the VA system I can personally say it was amazing and the care my family received was better than what I’ve experienced with my own private insurer.
“Massachusetts but they are a perfect example of what the democrats want. Interestingly enough it was instituted by a republican, Mitt Romney. Most employers have dumped their employees into the public insurance pool and the amount of people in that insurance pool has skyrocketed so badly they have started removing people from that pool, and made them ineligible for benefits.”
Most employers have dumped their workers insurance? I looked over and over and there is no factual evidence that this is happening. About 3% of employers dropped insurance and took the $249 penalty for each unisured employee. In fact 150,000 more people have become insured by their employers.
Mass has more and more people under their care partly because of the recession and the loss of jobs and dwindling incomes.
I will not argue that Mass has not had a tough time and it is perfect, but your incorrect fear-mongering that thousands were dropped and employers are fleeing is inaccurate until you can provide me scholastic proof otherwise.
You also should clarify who was removed and it was immigrants living in Mass less than five years. It was not life long residents kicked out of the system. Also, those immigrants are now covered under the Commonwealth Care program. The only thing they will not cover them for is dental and hospice care. Sorry you are simply wrong it was reinstated August 10.
“If you think that introducing a public option will not have worse effects than just forcing insurance companies to lower their rates, you are in for a rude awakening. No business can compete with the government. The government does not have to pay taxes, it does not have to be fiscally responsible, and it can spend pretty much however it wants. There’s just no way to compete with that. What is more likely is that insurance will choose not to provide those insurance services and that business to lower their costs will force employees to use the public option”.
Have you studied the Swiss system, because they have magically been able to have Universal Care and Private Insurance. Sorry you are wrong and its working now. Private insurance companies are still making money even though they are regulated like the dickens.
I don’t think I will be done calling people names either.
Participant“Well of course they do! They certainly don’t have to deal with the size of our population, illegal immigration. Why would anyone say free money is bad? When they can basically write a blank check, who’s going to say it’s a bad system? It’s only when the system starts going through stresses (which is becoming apparent now), that people start questioning things”.
I’ve said this before in another post. I understand the difficulty in the situation because all the other countries in Europe and Canada do not have a third world country right below it with thousands of people daily willing to die to leave it.
I do know that the VA has negotiated prescription prices and that they are cheaper under that than under Medicare.
http://www.herc.research.va.gov/resources/faq_b06.asp
You also don’t think that part of the reason Medicare cost more than private is the fact that the typical Medicare patient is elderly, with more hospital stays and more disabilities? You really thinks its fair to compare the typical Medicare participator with a typical working person who has private insurance?
Yes, there are VA horror stories, but I ask you to go to the home in Chula Vista and come back and report to me how terrible it is.
Having experienced the VA system I can personally say it was amazing and the care my family received was better than what I’ve experienced with my own private insurer.
“Massachusetts but they are a perfect example of what the democrats want. Interestingly enough it was instituted by a republican, Mitt Romney. Most employers have dumped their employees into the public insurance pool and the amount of people in that insurance pool has skyrocketed so badly they have started removing people from that pool, and made them ineligible for benefits.”
Most employers have dumped their workers insurance? I looked over and over and there is no factual evidence that this is happening. About 3% of employers dropped insurance and took the $249 penalty for each unisured employee. In fact 150,000 more people have become insured by their employers.
Mass has more and more people under their care partly because of the recession and the loss of jobs and dwindling incomes.
I will not argue that Mass has not had a tough time and it is perfect, but your incorrect fear-mongering that thousands were dropped and employers are fleeing is inaccurate until you can provide me scholastic proof otherwise.
You also should clarify who was removed and it was immigrants living in Mass less than five years. It was not life long residents kicked out of the system. Also, those immigrants are now covered under the Commonwealth Care program. The only thing they will not cover them for is dental and hospice care. Sorry you are simply wrong it was reinstated August 10.
“If you think that introducing a public option will not have worse effects than just forcing insurance companies to lower their rates, you are in for a rude awakening. No business can compete with the government. The government does not have to pay taxes, it does not have to be fiscally responsible, and it can spend pretty much however it wants. There’s just no way to compete with that. What is more likely is that insurance will choose not to provide those insurance services and that business to lower their costs will force employees to use the public option”.
Have you studied the Swiss system, because they have magically been able to have Universal Care and Private Insurance. Sorry you are wrong and its working now. Private insurance companies are still making money even though they are regulated like the dickens.
I don’t think I will be done calling people names either.
ParticipantConservatives are not bad. Many of the people who have hijacked it are bad to me based on:
Mixing religion with policy.
Using prejudices against homosexuality as a political platform.
Having an uberhawkish foreign policy.
Turning a blind eye to their own spendingThese are facts and when they can get their ideals realigned I would be very happy to rethink my opinions of them.
Liberals are bad on:
Many want an open border with Mexico.
Tax the hell out of Corporations.
Impose to many restrictions and laws.
Are quite aware of their own spending. -
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