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ParticipantAec, I wasn’t attacking zeits post, we pretty much disagree on everything. He felt things were less civil today and I feel things are more civil today. Maybe you don’t like my observations, but I really don’t care.
He made the point and opinion that things are less civil today and that it is by societal changes.
I simply made the case how I appreciate how society has changed.
Take it or leave it those are my opinions. Nothing more and nothing less.
ParticipantAec, I wasn’t attacking zeits post, we pretty much disagree on everything. He felt things were less civil today and I feel things are more civil today. Maybe you don’t like my observations, but I really don’t care.
He made the point and opinion that things are less civil today and that it is by societal changes.
I simply made the case how I appreciate how society has changed.
Take it or leave it those are my opinions. Nothing more and nothing less.
ParticipantAec, I wasn’t attacking zeits post, we pretty much disagree on everything. He felt things were less civil today and I feel things are more civil today. Maybe you don’t like my observations, but I really don’t care.
He made the point and opinion that things are less civil today and that it is by societal changes.
I simply made the case how I appreciate how society has changed.
Take it or leave it those are my opinions. Nothing more and nothing less.
Participant[quote=Zeitgeist]Things have changed. People are not civil any more. Svelte, ask yourself, are drivers more rude than in the past? I think the answer is yes. It is a cultural change that is societal, not just political. People no longer respect the courts and show up in dirty, inappropriate clothing. They no longer respect the presidency and congress. Times have changed. The middle class was just behind the times.[/quote]
Things have changed and I think it depends on who you ask if the world is more rude today.
If you were a black man fifty years ago in the so called “good ole days” was the world a more civil place for them? Was America nicer as blacks were called niggers and grown men called Boy.
When my mother first moved here from Korea to a little town in Texas many people were awful to her for a long time and this was in the sixties.
As an American woman of Asian descent there is no other time than right now that I wish to exist.
I can do what I want, go where I want, marry, have or not have kids, work, be a stay at home, whatever. I am allowed my inalienable rights of life, liberty, and my own pursuit of happiness; with no social stigma.
I don’t know if people are ruder or not. I don’t see Americans sprayed with hoses and have dogs sicked on them. No one has called me a chink in a long time. No one is rounding up Native American children and “civilizing” them in federal schools. That seems much ruder than the driver that flips me off.
When I hear about the good ole days…I always think well if you were a white Anglo male they were probably good. If you were anything else it may not have always been so rosy.
I am so glad of the cultural change in America.
Participant[quote=Zeitgeist]Things have changed. People are not civil any more. Svelte, ask yourself, are drivers more rude than in the past? I think the answer is yes. It is a cultural change that is societal, not just political. People no longer respect the courts and show up in dirty, inappropriate clothing. They no longer respect the presidency and congress. Times have changed. The middle class was just behind the times.[/quote]
Things have changed and I think it depends on who you ask if the world is more rude today.
If you were a black man fifty years ago in the so called “good ole days” was the world a more civil place for them? Was America nicer as blacks were called niggers and grown men called Boy.
When my mother first moved here from Korea to a little town in Texas many people were awful to her for a long time and this was in the sixties.
As an American woman of Asian descent there is no other time than right now that I wish to exist.
I can do what I want, go where I want, marry, have or not have kids, work, be a stay at home, whatever. I am allowed my inalienable rights of life, liberty, and my own pursuit of happiness; with no social stigma.
I don’t know if people are ruder or not. I don’t see Americans sprayed with hoses and have dogs sicked on them. No one has called me a chink in a long time. No one is rounding up Native American children and “civilizing” them in federal schools. That seems much ruder than the driver that flips me off.
When I hear about the good ole days…I always think well if you were a white Anglo male they were probably good. If you were anything else it may not have always been so rosy.
I am so glad of the cultural change in America.
Participant[quote=Zeitgeist]Things have changed. People are not civil any more. Svelte, ask yourself, are drivers more rude than in the past? I think the answer is yes. It is a cultural change that is societal, not just political. People no longer respect the courts and show up in dirty, inappropriate clothing. They no longer respect the presidency and congress. Times have changed. The middle class was just behind the times.[/quote]
Things have changed and I think it depends on who you ask if the world is more rude today.
If you were a black man fifty years ago in the so called “good ole days” was the world a more civil place for them? Was America nicer as blacks were called niggers and grown men called Boy.
When my mother first moved here from Korea to a little town in Texas many people were awful to her for a long time and this was in the sixties.
As an American woman of Asian descent there is no other time than right now that I wish to exist.
I can do what I want, go where I want, marry, have or not have kids, work, be a stay at home, whatever. I am allowed my inalienable rights of life, liberty, and my own pursuit of happiness; with no social stigma.
I don’t know if people are ruder or not. I don’t see Americans sprayed with hoses and have dogs sicked on them. No one has called me a chink in a long time. No one is rounding up Native American children and “civilizing” them in federal schools. That seems much ruder than the driver that flips me off.
When I hear about the good ole days…I always think well if you were a white Anglo male they were probably good. If you were anything else it may not have always been so rosy.
I am so glad of the cultural change in America.
Participant[quote=Zeitgeist]Things have changed. People are not civil any more. Svelte, ask yourself, are drivers more rude than in the past? I think the answer is yes. It is a cultural change that is societal, not just political. People no longer respect the courts and show up in dirty, inappropriate clothing. They no longer respect the presidency and congress. Times have changed. The middle class was just behind the times.[/quote]
Things have changed and I think it depends on who you ask if the world is more rude today.
If you were a black man fifty years ago in the so called “good ole days” was the world a more civil place for them? Was America nicer as blacks were called niggers and grown men called Boy.
When my mother first moved here from Korea to a little town in Texas many people were awful to her for a long time and this was in the sixties.
As an American woman of Asian descent there is no other time than right now that I wish to exist.
I can do what I want, go where I want, marry, have or not have kids, work, be a stay at home, whatever. I am allowed my inalienable rights of life, liberty, and my own pursuit of happiness; with no social stigma.
I don’t know if people are ruder or not. I don’t see Americans sprayed with hoses and have dogs sicked on them. No one has called me a chink in a long time. No one is rounding up Native American children and “civilizing” them in federal schools. That seems much ruder than the driver that flips me off.
When I hear about the good ole days…I always think well if you were a white Anglo male they were probably good. If you were anything else it may not have always been so rosy.
I am so glad of the cultural change in America.
Participant[quote=Zeitgeist]Things have changed. People are not civil any more. Svelte, ask yourself, are drivers more rude than in the past? I think the answer is yes. It is a cultural change that is societal, not just political. People no longer respect the courts and show up in dirty, inappropriate clothing. They no longer respect the presidency and congress. Times have changed. The middle class was just behind the times.[/quote]
Things have changed and I think it depends on who you ask if the world is more rude today.
If you were a black man fifty years ago in the so called “good ole days” was the world a more civil place for them? Was America nicer as blacks were called niggers and grown men called Boy.
When my mother first moved here from Korea to a little town in Texas many people were awful to her for a long time and this was in the sixties.
As an American woman of Asian descent there is no other time than right now that I wish to exist.
I can do what I want, go where I want, marry, have or not have kids, work, be a stay at home, whatever. I am allowed my inalienable rights of life, liberty, and my own pursuit of happiness; with no social stigma.
I don’t know if people are ruder or not. I don’t see Americans sprayed with hoses and have dogs sicked on them. No one has called me a chink in a long time. No one is rounding up Native American children and “civilizing” them in federal schools. That seems much ruder than the driver that flips me off.
When I hear about the good ole days…I always think well if you were a white Anglo male they were probably good. If you were anything else it may not have always been so rosy.
I am so glad of the cultural change in America.
ParticipantAllan, it is completely your right to hate Pelosi to her core and wish that she and the horse she rode on would just plunder in to the sunset.
I feel the need to point out though that she did not say that people who oppose health care reform are unAmerican. Her comments were in regards specifically to the town hall protesters who were shouting down and not allowing anyone else to speak. These people were not speaking their mind they simply wanted distraction and confusion. Freedom of speech is an American right and in my opinion these fringe folks were not being respectful of anyone else’s right to free speech.
I appreciate you mentioning Bush/Cheney and that’s why I understand how her statements could piss you off. I remember hearing I was unAmerican for not supporting Bush or the war and at that time I also said that dissent is the highest form of patriotism and liberty. Take that away and what do you have? I don’t know, but I’m sure a North Korean refugee could explain it very well.
I also completely agree with an earlier post you wrote that Obama needs to stop letting Congress take control of the issue. He also does need to “go on the stump” and explain this to the American people. We will see Wed night when he addresses Congress and I’m sure this thread will be blowing up!
ParticipantAllan, it is completely your right to hate Pelosi to her core and wish that she and the horse she rode on would just plunder in to the sunset.
I feel the need to point out though that she did not say that people who oppose health care reform are unAmerican. Her comments were in regards specifically to the town hall protesters who were shouting down and not allowing anyone else to speak. These people were not speaking their mind they simply wanted distraction and confusion. Freedom of speech is an American right and in my opinion these fringe folks were not being respectful of anyone else’s right to free speech.
I appreciate you mentioning Bush/Cheney and that’s why I understand how her statements could piss you off. I remember hearing I was unAmerican for not supporting Bush or the war and at that time I also said that dissent is the highest form of patriotism and liberty. Take that away and what do you have? I don’t know, but I’m sure a North Korean refugee could explain it very well.
I also completely agree with an earlier post you wrote that Obama needs to stop letting Congress take control of the issue. He also does need to “go on the stump” and explain this to the American people. We will see Wed night when he addresses Congress and I’m sure this thread will be blowing up!
ParticipantAllan, it is completely your right to hate Pelosi to her core and wish that she and the horse she rode on would just plunder in to the sunset.
I feel the need to point out though that she did not say that people who oppose health care reform are unAmerican. Her comments were in regards specifically to the town hall protesters who were shouting down and not allowing anyone else to speak. These people were not speaking their mind they simply wanted distraction and confusion. Freedom of speech is an American right and in my opinion these fringe folks were not being respectful of anyone else’s right to free speech.
I appreciate you mentioning Bush/Cheney and that’s why I understand how her statements could piss you off. I remember hearing I was unAmerican for not supporting Bush or the war and at that time I also said that dissent is the highest form of patriotism and liberty. Take that away and what do you have? I don’t know, but I’m sure a North Korean refugee could explain it very well.
I also completely agree with an earlier post you wrote that Obama needs to stop letting Congress take control of the issue. He also does need to “go on the stump” and explain this to the American people. We will see Wed night when he addresses Congress and I’m sure this thread will be blowing up!
ParticipantAllan, it is completely your right to hate Pelosi to her core and wish that she and the horse she rode on would just plunder in to the sunset.
I feel the need to point out though that she did not say that people who oppose health care reform are unAmerican. Her comments were in regards specifically to the town hall protesters who were shouting down and not allowing anyone else to speak. These people were not speaking their mind they simply wanted distraction and confusion. Freedom of speech is an American right and in my opinion these fringe folks were not being respectful of anyone else’s right to free speech.
I appreciate you mentioning Bush/Cheney and that’s why I understand how her statements could piss you off. I remember hearing I was unAmerican for not supporting Bush or the war and at that time I also said that dissent is the highest form of patriotism and liberty. Take that away and what do you have? I don’t know, but I’m sure a North Korean refugee could explain it very well.
I also completely agree with an earlier post you wrote that Obama needs to stop letting Congress take control of the issue. He also does need to “go on the stump” and explain this to the American people. We will see Wed night when he addresses Congress and I’m sure this thread will be blowing up!
ParticipantAllan, it is completely your right to hate Pelosi to her core and wish that she and the horse she rode on would just plunder in to the sunset.
I feel the need to point out though that she did not say that people who oppose health care reform are unAmerican. Her comments were in regards specifically to the town hall protesters who were shouting down and not allowing anyone else to speak. These people were not speaking their mind they simply wanted distraction and confusion. Freedom of speech is an American right and in my opinion these fringe folks were not being respectful of anyone else’s right to free speech.
I appreciate you mentioning Bush/Cheney and that’s why I understand how her statements could piss you off. I remember hearing I was unAmerican for not supporting Bush or the war and at that time I also said that dissent is the highest form of patriotism and liberty. Take that away and what do you have? I don’t know, but I’m sure a North Korean refugee could explain it very well.
I also completely agree with an earlier post you wrote that Obama needs to stop letting Congress take control of the issue. He also does need to “go on the stump” and explain this to the American people. We will see Wed night when he addresses Congress and I’m sure this thread will be blowing up!
ParticipantHi Allan,
I always look forward to your post even if sometimes we disagree. I can be a hot headed jerk, but I do appreciate the finesse you have in making your points.
In regards to the first article- I think if we get a public option we will see a profit loss from insurance companies as they lower their premiums. Also, as people-like the folks in Mass can shop for the best/cheapest coverage of course profits will decrease. Please tell me and I know you will if I am wrong;)
I would never put price caps on insurance- I do believe though that with a public option it can regulate its self.
In regards to the Cato Institute article its hard for me to read it without my own bias stacked against it. The CI is a libertarian think tank so of course the notion of socialized care would horrify them!
Here is a paragraph from the article:
“In the three years since Massachusetts enacted its individual mandate, providers successfully lobbied to require 16 specific types of coverage under the mandate: prescription drugs, preventive care, diabetes self-management, drug-abuse treatment, early intervention for autism, hospice care, hormone replacement therapy, non-in-vitro fertility services, orthotics, prosthetics, telemedicine, testicular cancer, lay midwives, nurses, nurse practitioners and pediatric specialists.
The Massachusetts Legislature is considering more than 70 additional requirements.
Those requirements can increase premiums by 14 percent or more.”
I don’t like the word “can” in the last sentence only because it is a speculation. Its an educated guess, but its not fact.
Another paragraph
“One way insurers can avoid the $50,000 patients is to drop benefits those customers find attractive. Shelby Rogers is a 12-year-old girl with spinal muscular atrophy, whose parents chose an Aetna plan through the price-controlled health insurance exchange for federal workers. Last year, Aetna announced it would drop coverage for Shelby’s 12-hour-a-day nurse, who, among other things, helps Shelby avoid bedsores by turning her over at night. An Aetna spokesman explained the reason was to avoid offering a benefit that causes the sickest patients to flock to the plan.”
Shelby’s parents can shop for another plan. Also, this is already happening in other states without any public option whatsoever. Honestly Allan, 12 hour a day nursing care. My plan is Blue Cross HMO after i spend a million dollars that’s it no more and many insurers are the same. This girl is 12…when she’s my age she would have exhausted her health benefits and no one else would want to insure her. She would/will eventually be on Medicaid regardless, because her parents cannot work forever.
Also, Aetna must have hated the bad press because they reinstated her current care for 2009 though won’t promise for 2010.
I’m not suprised that was said by Aetna, because they are still in it for profit.
The article is a good one, but it cuts off the rest of Merrit Hawkins findings about long waits that have increased “Phil Miller, vice president of public relations for Merritt Hawkins and Associates, sees one clear solution to long wait times:
“We need to be training more physicians, particularly primary care physicians,” he says. “We have been training the same number of doctors for the past 25 years, but a lot has changed in the last quarter-century”.
I am also wary of statements like these “Though initially popular, enthusiasm for the Massachusetts reforms may be on the wane. A recent poll found that more Massachusetts voters say the law has made health insurance less affordable (27 percent) than believe it has made coverage more affordable (21 percent). Voters who believe the reforms have been a failure outnumber those who believe the reforms have been a success by 37 percent to 26 percent”.
“May be on the wane”. Is it or isn’t it? Who did this poll? When was it taken? How many people participated?
Here’s an article by the Harvard School of Health with a poll saying the complete opposite its a year old, but taken two years after the laws implementation:
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/press-releases/2008-releases/hsph-bcbs-poll-strong-support-for-ma-health-reform-law.htmlOne thing I noticed in the third article right away is that it states Mass already had the longest waits before 2006. Now they are longer, but they use Merrit Hawkins in the previous article and their findings show (which didn’t make it into the article) that all cities have seen an increase in wait times. So it seems natural that Mass still has the highest with or with out the health laws.
Allan, I get that it’s not without flaws I do. Its ill funded in 2009, but it wasn’t so bad in 2006. The recession has got to play a part in that.
Thank you for the articles I will read them again. I’m not trying to discredit the Cato Institute and they have been bipartisan in a number of issues and openly opposed Bush Jr. so they are immediately in my favor! They are Libertarian though and I can see and empathize how Obama and any notion of socialized care could rattle them to their bones.
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