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It is not clear to me how offshore tax havens make it OK for public unions to gouge taxpayers.

Nor is it clear to me how public unions gauging taxpayers (not only through salary, but pensions, also) make it OK for the government to bail out wall street.

It is stupid to be upset about one and not the other. It is a foolish discussion to say which is worse, and even more foolish to say one is OK while the other is not.

As far as I can tell, the companies who avoid taxes are just following the rules that are set up by they lawmakers. Again – the lawmakers’ fault. Not only do they make loopholes so that companies can avoid tax, but they borrow and spend while doing it, making the individual taxpayer burden worse and wors.

In either case, the government is funnelling too much of the taxpayers money to someone who shouldn’t have it.

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It is not clear to me how offshore tax havens make it OK for public unions to gouge taxpayers.

Nor is it clear to me how public unions gauging taxpayers (not only through salary, but pensions, also) make it OK for the government to bail out wall street.

It is stupid to be upset about one and not the other. It is a foolish discussion to say which is worse, and even more foolish to say one is OK while the other is not.

As far as I can tell, the companies who avoid taxes are just following the rules that are set up by they lawmakers. Again – the lawmakers’ fault. Not only do they make loopholes so that companies can avoid tax, but they borrow and spend while doing it, making the individual taxpayer burden worse and wors.

In either case, the government is funnelling too much of the taxpayers money to someone who shouldn’t have it.

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It is not clear to me how offshore tax havens make it OK for public unions to gouge taxpayers.

Nor is it clear to me how public unions gauging taxpayers (not only through salary, but pensions, also) make it OK for the government to bail out wall street.

It is stupid to be upset about one and not the other. It is a foolish discussion to say which is worse, and even more foolish to say one is OK while the other is not.

As far as I can tell, the companies who avoid taxes are just following the rules that are set up by they lawmakers. Again – the lawmakers’ fault. Not only do they make loopholes so that companies can avoid tax, but they borrow and spend while doing it, making the individual taxpayer burden worse and wors.

In either case, the government is funnelling too much of the taxpayers money to someone who shouldn’t have it.

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It is not clear to me how offshore tax havens make it OK for public unions to gouge taxpayers.

Nor is it clear to me how public unions gauging taxpayers (not only through salary, but pensions, also) make it OK for the government to bail out wall street.

It is stupid to be upset about one and not the other. It is a foolish discussion to say which is worse, and even more foolish to say one is OK while the other is not.

As far as I can tell, the companies who avoid taxes are just following the rules that are set up by they lawmakers. Again – the lawmakers’ fault. Not only do they make loopholes so that companies can avoid tax, but they borrow and spend while doing it, making the individual taxpayer burden worse and wors.

In either case, the government is funnelling too much of the taxpayers money to someone who shouldn’t have it.

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[quote=CA renter][quote=UCGal][quote=sdduuuude][quote=CA renter]One more expense I forgot to address is private contractors who significantly overcharge the govt.
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I don’t disagree with this, but it seems that this is exactly what the unions are – private contractors overcharging the government. Same thing, really.[/quote]

The net result to the taxpayer may be the same… but where those overcharged dollars end up is very different. Concentrated at the top, or spread among the workers…[/quote]

Absoluetely correct, UCGal. The incomes of public workers is almost entirely spent right back into the economy that supports them (local taxpayers). Not so with high-level executives and “investors” who can take their money to other countries or spend it on yachts, planes, mansions, etc. in different locations.

Also, public sector employees are far more accountable than their private-sector counterparts.[/quote]

ANother difference is that I can buy stock in those companies and share in the benefits. Not so with public employees.

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[quote=CA renter][quote=UCGal][quote=sdduuuude][quote=CA renter]One more expense I forgot to address is private contractors who significantly overcharge the govt.
[/quote]

I don’t disagree with this, but it seems that this is exactly what the unions are – private contractors overcharging the government. Same thing, really.[/quote]

The net result to the taxpayer may be the same… but where those overcharged dollars end up is very different. Concentrated at the top, or spread among the workers…[/quote]

Absoluetely correct, UCGal. The incomes of public workers is almost entirely spent right back into the economy that supports them (local taxpayers). Not so with high-level executives and “investors” who can take their money to other countries or spend it on yachts, planes, mansions, etc. in different locations.

Also, public sector employees are far more accountable than their private-sector counterparts.[/quote]

ANother difference is that I can buy stock in those companies and share in the benefits. Not so with public employees.

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[quote=CA renter][quote=UCGal][quote=sdduuuude][quote=CA renter]One more expense I forgot to address is private contractors who significantly overcharge the govt.
[/quote]

I don’t disagree with this, but it seems that this is exactly what the unions are – private contractors overcharging the government. Same thing, really.[/quote]

The net result to the taxpayer may be the same… but where those overcharged dollars end up is very different. Concentrated at the top, or spread among the workers…[/quote]

Absoluetely correct, UCGal. The incomes of public workers is almost entirely spent right back into the economy that supports them (local taxpayers). Not so with high-level executives and “investors” who can take their money to other countries or spend it on yachts, planes, mansions, etc. in different locations.

Also, public sector employees are far more accountable than their private-sector counterparts.[/quote]

ANother difference is that I can buy stock in those companies and share in the benefits. Not so with public employees.

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[quote=CA renter][quote=UCGal][quote=sdduuuude][quote=CA renter]One more expense I forgot to address is private contractors who significantly overcharge the govt.
[/quote]

I don’t disagree with this, but it seems that this is exactly what the unions are – private contractors overcharging the government. Same thing, really.[/quote]

The net result to the taxpayer may be the same… but where those overcharged dollars end up is very different. Concentrated at the top, or spread among the workers…[/quote]

Absoluetely correct, UCGal. The incomes of public workers is almost entirely spent right back into the economy that supports them (local taxpayers). Not so with high-level executives and “investors” who can take their money to other countries or spend it on yachts, planes, mansions, etc. in different locations.

Also, public sector employees are far more accountable than their private-sector counterparts.[/quote]

ANother difference is that I can buy stock in those companies and share in the benefits. Not so with public employees.

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[quote=CA renter][quote=UCGal][quote=sdduuuude][quote=CA renter]One more expense I forgot to address is private contractors who significantly overcharge the govt.
[/quote]

I don’t disagree with this, but it seems that this is exactly what the unions are – private contractors overcharging the government. Same thing, really.[/quote]

The net result to the taxpayer may be the same… but where those overcharged dollars end up is very different. Concentrated at the top, or spread among the workers…[/quote]

Absoluetely correct, UCGal. The incomes of public workers is almost entirely spent right back into the economy that supports them (local taxpayers). Not so with high-level executives and “investors” who can take their money to other countries or spend it on yachts, planes, mansions, etc. in different locations.

Also, public sector employees are far more accountable than their private-sector counterparts.[/quote]

ANother difference is that I can buy stock in those companies and share in the benefits. Not so with public employees.

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[quote=UCGal][quote=sdduuuude][quote=CA renter]One more expense I forgot to address is private contractors who significantly overcharge the govt.
[/quote]

I don’t disagree with this, but it seems that this is exactly what the unions are – private contractors overcharging the government. Same thing, really.[/quote]

The net result to the taxpayer may be the same… but where those overcharged dollars end up is very different. Concentrated at the top, or spread among the workers…[/quote]

I can’t say I care who screws me over.

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[quote=UCGal][quote=sdduuuude][quote=CA renter]One more expense I forgot to address is private contractors who significantly overcharge the govt.
[/quote]

I don’t disagree with this, but it seems that this is exactly what the unions are – private contractors overcharging the government. Same thing, really.[/quote]

The net result to the taxpayer may be the same… but where those overcharged dollars end up is very different. Concentrated at the top, or spread among the workers…[/quote]

I can’t say I care who screws me over.

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[quote=UCGal][quote=sdduuuude][quote=CA renter]One more expense I forgot to address is private contractors who significantly overcharge the govt.
[/quote]

I don’t disagree with this, but it seems that this is exactly what the unions are – private contractors overcharging the government. Same thing, really.[/quote]

The net result to the taxpayer may be the same… but where those overcharged dollars end up is very different. Concentrated at the top, or spread among the workers…[/quote]

I can’t say I care who screws me over.

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[quote=UCGal][quote=sdduuuude][quote=CA renter]One more expense I forgot to address is private contractors who significantly overcharge the govt.
[/quote]

I don’t disagree with this, but it seems that this is exactly what the unions are – private contractors overcharging the government. Same thing, really.[/quote]

The net result to the taxpayer may be the same… but where those overcharged dollars end up is very different. Concentrated at the top, or spread among the workers…[/quote]

I can’t say I care who screws me over.

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[quote=UCGal][quote=sdduuuude][quote=CA renter]One more expense I forgot to address is private contractors who significantly overcharge the govt.
[/quote]

I don’t disagree with this, but it seems that this is exactly what the unions are – private contractors overcharging the government. Same thing, really.[/quote]

The net result to the taxpayer may be the same… but where those overcharged dollars end up is very different. Concentrated at the top, or spread among the workers…[/quote]

I can’t say I care who screws me over.

[sdduuuude]

[quote=CA renter]One more expense I forgot to address is private contractors who significantly overcharge the govt.
[/quote]

I don’t disagree with this, but it seems that this is exactly what the unions are – private contractors overcharging the government. Same thing, really.

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