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Participant[quote=CDMA ENG]I just try harder than most cause I went to ASU and ASU mostly sucks so I’m at a disadvantage.
[/quote]I agree completely !
Participant[quote=CDMA ENG]I just try harder than most cause I went to ASU and ASU mostly sucks so I’m at a disadvantage.
[/quote]I agree completely !
Participant[quote=CDMA ENG]I just try harder than most cause I went to ASU and ASU mostly sucks so I’m at a disadvantage.
[/quote]I agree completely !
Participant[quote=ibjames]In the higher levels of IT you have to know a lot about how things collaborate, hardware proficiencies, how software interacts with that hardware, how software interacts with each other. How machines/services interact with each other, data transfer methods etc. We also use tools, yes, not physical scopes and meters, but with other types of performance and data gathering tools.[/quote]
You have lots of “this interacts with this” but to to my earlier point of networking – you have to know how people interact, too. That is what 90% of all engineers/techies I meet are lacking.
Who’s an engineer? Anyone who gets paid to engineer things, IMHO. My education is top-notch, but I also believe the school of hard knocks is valid in some cases. I also know lots of degreed engineers that can’t engineer their way out of an open patio so I put little faith in that.
How do you really know who is a good engineer – by asking their boss and co-workers. I put faith in people who are recommended by other good people – back to my very original point.
sdr – don’t piss us off or we’ll infect your PC with virus that sells your listings below market value!
Participant[quote=ibjames]In the higher levels of IT you have to know a lot about how things collaborate, hardware proficiencies, how software interacts with that hardware, how software interacts with each other. How machines/services interact with each other, data transfer methods etc. We also use tools, yes, not physical scopes and meters, but with other types of performance and data gathering tools.[/quote]
You have lots of “this interacts with this” but to to my earlier point of networking – you have to know how people interact, too. That is what 90% of all engineers/techies I meet are lacking.
Who’s an engineer? Anyone who gets paid to engineer things, IMHO. My education is top-notch, but I also believe the school of hard knocks is valid in some cases. I also know lots of degreed engineers that can’t engineer their way out of an open patio so I put little faith in that.
How do you really know who is a good engineer – by asking their boss and co-workers. I put faith in people who are recommended by other good people – back to my very original point.
sdr – don’t piss us off or we’ll infect your PC with virus that sells your listings below market value!
Participant[quote=ibjames]In the higher levels of IT you have to know a lot about how things collaborate, hardware proficiencies, how software interacts with that hardware, how software interacts with each other. How machines/services interact with each other, data transfer methods etc. We also use tools, yes, not physical scopes and meters, but with other types of performance and data gathering tools.[/quote]
You have lots of “this interacts with this” but to to my earlier point of networking – you have to know how people interact, too. That is what 90% of all engineers/techies I meet are lacking.
Who’s an engineer? Anyone who gets paid to engineer things, IMHO. My education is top-notch, but I also believe the school of hard knocks is valid in some cases. I also know lots of degreed engineers that can’t engineer their way out of an open patio so I put little faith in that.
How do you really know who is a good engineer – by asking their boss and co-workers. I put faith in people who are recommended by other good people – back to my very original point.
sdr – don’t piss us off or we’ll infect your PC with virus that sells your listings below market value!
Participant[quote=ibjames]In the higher levels of IT you have to know a lot about how things collaborate, hardware proficiencies, how software interacts with that hardware, how software interacts with each other. How machines/services interact with each other, data transfer methods etc. We also use tools, yes, not physical scopes and meters, but with other types of performance and data gathering tools.[/quote]
You have lots of “this interacts with this” but to to my earlier point of networking – you have to know how people interact, too. That is what 90% of all engineers/techies I meet are lacking.
Who’s an engineer? Anyone who gets paid to engineer things, IMHO. My education is top-notch, but I also believe the school of hard knocks is valid in some cases. I also know lots of degreed engineers that can’t engineer their way out of an open patio so I put little faith in that.
How do you really know who is a good engineer – by asking their boss and co-workers. I put faith in people who are recommended by other good people – back to my very original point.
sdr – don’t piss us off or we’ll infect your PC with virus that sells your listings below market value!
Participant[quote=ibjames]In the higher levels of IT you have to know a lot about how things collaborate, hardware proficiencies, how software interacts with that hardware, how software interacts with each other. How machines/services interact with each other, data transfer methods etc. We also use tools, yes, not physical scopes and meters, but with other types of performance and data gathering tools.[/quote]
You have lots of “this interacts with this” but to to my earlier point of networking – you have to know how people interact, too. That is what 90% of all engineers/techies I meet are lacking.
Who’s an engineer? Anyone who gets paid to engineer things, IMHO. My education is top-notch, but I also believe the school of hard knocks is valid in some cases. I also know lots of degreed engineers that can’t engineer their way out of an open patio so I put little faith in that.
How do you really know who is a good engineer – by asking their boss and co-workers. I put faith in people who are recommended by other good people – back to my very original point.
sdr – don’t piss us off or we’ll infect your PC with virus that sells your listings below market value!
ParticipantWell, there’s a distinction between working for a University and being in academia. As an IT person working for a University – sure, you can get good experience. As a professor or grad student, I don’t see it as being very applicable, and even though you may be good, you aren’t proven.
Even if it is applicable, whether you are in academia, working for a University, or in industry, if nobody for whom you have worked is willing to introduce you to contacts they have, then you aren’t in the top 20%. Probably not even the top 50%. Doesn’t matter.
Also – most people probably know several individuals who would help them out alot but never think to ask. That’s all I’m getting at. Use your contacts to get jobs, not the newspaper.
ParticipantWell, there’s a distinction between working for a University and being in academia. As an IT person working for a University – sure, you can get good experience. As a professor or grad student, I don’t see it as being very applicable, and even though you may be good, you aren’t proven.
Even if it is applicable, whether you are in academia, working for a University, or in industry, if nobody for whom you have worked is willing to introduce you to contacts they have, then you aren’t in the top 20%. Probably not even the top 50%. Doesn’t matter.
Also – most people probably know several individuals who would help them out alot but never think to ask. That’s all I’m getting at. Use your contacts to get jobs, not the newspaper.
ParticipantWell, there’s a distinction between working for a University and being in academia. As an IT person working for a University – sure, you can get good experience. As a professor or grad student, I don’t see it as being very applicable, and even though you may be good, you aren’t proven.
Even if it is applicable, whether you are in academia, working for a University, or in industry, if nobody for whom you have worked is willing to introduce you to contacts they have, then you aren’t in the top 20%. Probably not even the top 50%. Doesn’t matter.
Also – most people probably know several individuals who would help them out alot but never think to ask. That’s all I’m getting at. Use your contacts to get jobs, not the newspaper.
ParticipantWell, there’s a distinction between working for a University and being in academia. As an IT person working for a University – sure, you can get good experience. As a professor or grad student, I don’t see it as being very applicable, and even though you may be good, you aren’t proven.
Even if it is applicable, whether you are in academia, working for a University, or in industry, if nobody for whom you have worked is willing to introduce you to contacts they have, then you aren’t in the top 20%. Probably not even the top 50%. Doesn’t matter.
Also – most people probably know several individuals who would help them out alot but never think to ask. That’s all I’m getting at. Use your contacts to get jobs, not the newspaper.
ParticipantWell, there’s a distinction between working for a University and being in academia. As an IT person working for a University – sure, you can get good experience. As a professor or grad student, I don’t see it as being very applicable, and even though you may be good, you aren’t proven.
Even if it is applicable, whether you are in academia, working for a University, or in industry, if nobody for whom you have worked is willing to introduce you to contacts they have, then you aren’t in the top 20%. Probably not even the top 50%. Doesn’t matter.
Also – most people probably know several individuals who would help them out alot but never think to ask. That’s all I’m getting at. Use your contacts to get jobs, not the newspaper.
ParticipantAnx – even if you are in another state, try those old bosses anyway. They may be happy to hear from you and people know people all over. I know several people in Denver in my industry and I’m in SD. In fact, I may even need a perl person in a few months there.
If you are really in the top 20% (and I have no reason to belieive you aren’t), people are happy to help and hear from you. Even 1 introduction to someone to have lunch with gives you a boost, even if they aren’t hiring or even if they are in the wrong industry.
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