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June 4, 2010 at 2:31 PM in reply to: Has libertarianism been exposed for the fraud that it is? #560011June 4, 2010 at 2:31 PM in reply to: Has libertarianism been exposed for the fraud that it is? #560505
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Participant[quote=SK in CV]The prohibition against slavery is a government standard. Not a free market or libertarian standard. Prior to that government standard, it (slavery) existed in the free market.[/quote]
Sorry. Slavery does not and cannot appear in a “free market” by definition. A “free market” being one where you are free from others infringing upon your personal and propety rights.
The fact that slavery was allowed without pentaly was the government standard in place at the time.
I believe that the laws of economics are natural and not determined through the state.
Economics is a pretty nebulous thing. Hard to say if it is natural or not. I say it is just a way of describing and sometimes predicting behavior. I can’t say if that behavior (i.e. trade) is “natural” or not. But, it does happen, whether government is involved or not.
June 4, 2010 at 2:31 PM in reply to: Has libertarianism been exposed for the fraud that it is? #560609Participant[quote=SK in CV]The prohibition against slavery is a government standard. Not a free market or libertarian standard. Prior to that government standard, it (slavery) existed in the free market.[/quote]
Sorry. Slavery does not and cannot appear in a “free market” by definition. A “free market” being one where you are free from others infringing upon your personal and propety rights.
The fact that slavery was allowed without pentaly was the government standard in place at the time.
I believe that the laws of economics are natural and not determined through the state.
Economics is a pretty nebulous thing. Hard to say if it is natural or not. I say it is just a way of describing and sometimes predicting behavior. I can’t say if that behavior (i.e. trade) is “natural” or not. But, it does happen, whether government is involved or not.
June 4, 2010 at 2:31 PM in reply to: Has libertarianism been exposed for the fraud that it is? #560892Participant[quote=SK in CV]The prohibition against slavery is a government standard. Not a free market or libertarian standard. Prior to that government standard, it (slavery) existed in the free market.[/quote]
Sorry. Slavery does not and cannot appear in a “free market” by definition. A “free market” being one where you are free from others infringing upon your personal and propety rights.
The fact that slavery was allowed without pentaly was the government standard in place at the time.
I believe that the laws of economics are natural and not determined through the state.
Economics is a pretty nebulous thing. Hard to say if it is natural or not. I say it is just a way of describing and sometimes predicting behavior. I can’t say if that behavior (i.e. trade) is “natural” or not. But, it does happen, whether government is involved or not.
June 4, 2010 at 1:02 PM in reply to: Has libertarianism been exposed for the fraud that it is? #559844Participant[quote=SK in CV]Libertarian thought holds human beings to a higher standard? Like slavery[/quote]
You are going to have to connect the dots on that one for me. Slavery is a violation of personal rights. How does slavery exist in a free market ?
This is a crazy, nonsensical jump from “libertarian” to “slaver” and “no niggers allowed.”
Less crazy, but still nutso, is the belief that people need a government to figure out how to not trade chickens and grain.
June 4, 2010 at 1:02 PM in reply to: Has libertarianism been exposed for the fraud that it is? #559946Participant[quote=SK in CV]Libertarian thought holds human beings to a higher standard? Like slavery[/quote]
You are going to have to connect the dots on that one for me. Slavery is a violation of personal rights. How does slavery exist in a free market ?
This is a crazy, nonsensical jump from “libertarian” to “slaver” and “no niggers allowed.”
Less crazy, but still nutso, is the belief that people need a government to figure out how to not trade chickens and grain.
June 4, 2010 at 1:02 PM in reply to: Has libertarianism been exposed for the fraud that it is? #560441Participant[quote=SK in CV]Libertarian thought holds human beings to a higher standard? Like slavery[/quote]
You are going to have to connect the dots on that one for me. Slavery is a violation of personal rights. How does slavery exist in a free market ?
This is a crazy, nonsensical jump from “libertarian” to “slaver” and “no niggers allowed.”
Less crazy, but still nutso, is the belief that people need a government to figure out how to not trade chickens and grain.
June 4, 2010 at 1:02 PM in reply to: Has libertarianism been exposed for the fraud that it is? #560545Participant[quote=SK in CV]Libertarian thought holds human beings to a higher standard? Like slavery[/quote]
You are going to have to connect the dots on that one for me. Slavery is a violation of personal rights. How does slavery exist in a free market ?
This is a crazy, nonsensical jump from “libertarian” to “slaver” and “no niggers allowed.”
Less crazy, but still nutso, is the belief that people need a government to figure out how to not trade chickens and grain.
June 4, 2010 at 1:02 PM in reply to: Has libertarianism been exposed for the fraud that it is? #560827Participant[quote=SK in CV]Libertarian thought holds human beings to a higher standard? Like slavery[/quote]
You are going to have to connect the dots on that one for me. Slavery is a violation of personal rights. How does slavery exist in a free market ?
This is a crazy, nonsensical jump from “libertarian” to “slaver” and “no niggers allowed.”
Less crazy, but still nutso, is the belief that people need a government to figure out how to not trade chickens and grain.
June 4, 2010 at 12:53 PM in reply to: Has libertarianism been exposed for the fraud that it is? #559839ParticipantIf you have no property or money, you have no property rights, for sure, but you have the right to earn property by trading your time.
June 4, 2010 at 12:53 PM in reply to: Has libertarianism been exposed for the fraud that it is? #559941ParticipantIf you have no property or money, you have no property rights, for sure, but you have the right to earn property by trading your time.
June 4, 2010 at 12:53 PM in reply to: Has libertarianism been exposed for the fraud that it is? #560436ParticipantIf you have no property or money, you have no property rights, for sure, but you have the right to earn property by trading your time.
June 4, 2010 at 12:53 PM in reply to: Has libertarianism been exposed for the fraud that it is? #560540ParticipantIf you have no property or money, you have no property rights, for sure, but you have the right to earn property by trading your time.
June 4, 2010 at 12:53 PM in reply to: Has libertarianism been exposed for the fraud that it is? #560822ParticipantIf you have no property or money, you have no property rights, for sure, but you have the right to earn property by trading your time.
June 4, 2010 at 12:11 PM in reply to: Has libertarianism been exposed for the fraud that it is? #559790Participant[quote=XBoxBoy]But you’re still suggesting that regulation should come from the government?[/quote]
Yes. That is what separates anarchy from a “free market.”
Some feel anarchy can develop into a free-market, with a non-government entity enforcing property rights. That’s a bit “out there” for me.
[quote=XBoxBoy]If so, how do you control the corruption of the government by interests that want to regulate based on what’s in their interests?[/quote]
Voting provides some “free market” values to government, which is a good thing, but if 51% of the population votes that the other 49% should each give them half of their salary, we got problems.
In the US, the only hope lies in the balance of power, which is a pretty good idea.
Eventually, someone has to bring up acts of Congress to the Supreme Court, which has to declare that “Congress can’t do x, y, and z”
Can the Supreme Court bring down the Federal Reserve, I wonder? I don’t know.
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