Has libertarianism been exposed for the fraud that it is?

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Are there any libertarians left out there? After this BP oil mega-disaster in the Gulf, I don’t see how anyone can believe that libertarian principles would be effective in the real world. BP was essentially operating in an unregulated area and the choices they’ve made to cut environmental safety costs may lead to the destruction of the entire corporation.

As I understand it, libertarians believe that market forces will keep companies like BP from destroying the environment. However, BP presents a clear case of a company that can’t even keep from destroying itself due to the focus on next quarter’s bottom line.

Further, Rand Paul has been exposed as a joke who wants to take the U.S. back to the pre-Civil rights area. He was also critical of the President for daring to criticize BP for destoying the Gulf of Mexico (and possibly in the future the entire East Coast).

I think it’s clear to any thinking person that libertarianism is a crock of steaming poo. What say the Piggs? Are there still some libs out there in denial of the fact that deregulation doesn’t work in the real world?

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[greekfire]

Very broad statement with little facts backing it up. The Obama administration has been on top of the spill from Day One and said that they have their boot on the neck of BP.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzllR24e-FY&feature=player_embedded

You can’t imply that there should be more government intervention in private business and at the same time defend the government for incompetence when they say they are on top of things. You can’t have it both ways.

Rand Paul isn’t a joke, and definitely not a racist for that matter. If you listened to what he said and read up on the CRA, and then put some thought into it (this is key), you wouldn’t have a knee-jerk reaction like most who use sound bites and headlines to form an argument.

The establishment media and politicos see Rand Paul as a threat and they are pulling out all the cards (including the race card) to thwart him.

[greekfire]

Very broad statement with little facts backing it up. The Obama administration has been on top of the spill from Day One and said that they have their boot on the neck of BP.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzllR24e-FY&feature=player_embedded

You can’t imply that there should be more government intervention in private business and at the same time defend the government for incompetence when they say they are on top of things. You can’t have it both ways.

Rand Paul isn’t a joke, and definitely not a racist for that matter. If you listened to what he said and read up on the CRA, and then put some thought into it (this is key), you wouldn’t have a knee-jerk reaction like most who use sound bites and headlines to form an argument.

The establishment media and politicos see Rand Paul as a threat and they are pulling out all the cards (including the race card) to thwart him.

[greekfire]

Very broad statement with little facts backing it up. The Obama administration has been on top of the spill from Day One and said that they have their boot on the neck of BP.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzllR24e-FY&feature=player_embedded

You can’t imply that there should be more government intervention in private business and at the same time defend the government for incompetence when they say they are on top of things. You can’t have it both ways.

Rand Paul isn’t a joke, and definitely not a racist for that matter. If you listened to what he said and read up on the CRA, and then put some thought into it (this is key), you wouldn’t have a knee-jerk reaction like most who use sound bites and headlines to form an argument.

The establishment media and politicos see Rand Paul as a threat and they are pulling out all the cards (including the race card) to thwart him.

[greekfire]

Very broad statement with little facts backing it up. The Obama administration has been on top of the spill from Day One and said that they have their boot on the neck of BP.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzllR24e-FY&feature=player_embedded

You can’t imply that there should be more government intervention in private business and at the same time defend the government for incompetence when they say they are on top of things. You can’t have it both ways.

Rand Paul isn’t a joke, and definitely not a racist for that matter. If you listened to what he said and read up on the CRA, and then put some thought into it (this is key), you wouldn’t have a knee-jerk reaction like most who use sound bites and headlines to form an argument.

The establishment media and politicos see Rand Paul as a threat and they are pulling out all the cards (including the race card) to thwart him.

[greekfire]

Very broad statement with little facts backing it up. The Obama administration has been on top of the spill from Day One and said that they have their boot on the neck of BP.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzllR24e-FY&feature=player_embedded

You can’t imply that there should be more government intervention in private business and at the same time defend the government for incompetence when they say they are on top of things. You can’t have it both ways.

Rand Paul isn’t a joke, and definitely not a racist for that matter. If you listened to what he said and read up on the CRA, and then put some thought into it (this is key), you wouldn’t have a knee-jerk reaction like most who use sound bites and headlines to form an argument.

The establishment media and politicos see Rand Paul as a threat and they are pulling out all the cards (including the race card) to thwart him.

[SK in CV]

[quote=greekfire]
You can’t imply that there should be more government intervention in private business and at the same time defend the government for incompetence when they say they are on top of things. You can’t have it both ways.
[/quote]

I’m reasonably sure no one has attempted to have it both ways. This disaster is the perfect example of the shortcomings of libertarian free market captialism. (As if the near collapse of the credit/financial markets 20 months ago wasn’t sufficient evidence.) The market does not take care of itself. The market will neither protect irreplaceable resources, nor repair them when damage is done. It has nothing to do with post-crisis managment or mismanagement.

If there had been no government involvement with this oil spill, would BP have acted any differently? I suspect so. It still would not have been fixed, but don’t suspect they would have spent the 10’s of millions on their attempts to mitigate the damage. There is no free market incentive for them to do that.

The government didn’t cause this disaster. The argument can be made that more government involvement possibly could have prevented it. Government involvement hasn’t delayed the end of the crisis. I suspect that both BP and the federal government are doing all they can to fix it. You argue that the government is incompetent, yet they neither caused the crisis nor are they in charge of fixing it, only pressuring BP to continue to seek a solution. The “incompetent” label is surely misdirected.

[SK in CV]

[quote=greekfire]
You can’t imply that there should be more government intervention in private business and at the same time defend the government for incompetence when they say they are on top of things. You can’t have it both ways.
[/quote]

I’m reasonably sure no one has attempted to have it both ways. This disaster is the perfect example of the shortcomings of libertarian free market captialism. (As if the near collapse of the credit/financial markets 20 months ago wasn’t sufficient evidence.) The market does not take care of itself. The market will neither protect irreplaceable resources, nor repair them when damage is done. It has nothing to do with post-crisis managment or mismanagement.

If there had been no government involvement with this oil spill, would BP have acted any differently? I suspect so. It still would not have been fixed, but don’t suspect they would have spent the 10’s of millions on their attempts to mitigate the damage. There is no free market incentive for them to do that.

The government didn’t cause this disaster. The argument can be made that more government involvement possibly could have prevented it. Government involvement hasn’t delayed the end of the crisis. I suspect that both BP and the federal government are doing all they can to fix it. You argue that the government is incompetent, yet they neither caused the crisis nor are they in charge of fixing it, only pressuring BP to continue to seek a solution. The “incompetent” label is surely misdirected.

[SK in CV]

[quote=greekfire]
You can’t imply that there should be more government intervention in private business and at the same time defend the government for incompetence when they say they are on top of things. You can’t have it both ways.
[/quote]

I’m reasonably sure no one has attempted to have it both ways. This disaster is the perfect example of the shortcomings of libertarian free market captialism. (As if the near collapse of the credit/financial markets 20 months ago wasn’t sufficient evidence.) The market does not take care of itself. The market will neither protect irreplaceable resources, nor repair them when damage is done. It has nothing to do with post-crisis managment or mismanagement.

If there had been no government involvement with this oil spill, would BP have acted any differently? I suspect so. It still would not have been fixed, but don’t suspect they would have spent the 10’s of millions on their attempts to mitigate the damage. There is no free market incentive for them to do that.

The government didn’t cause this disaster. The argument can be made that more government involvement possibly could have prevented it. Government involvement hasn’t delayed the end of the crisis. I suspect that both BP and the federal government are doing all they can to fix it. You argue that the government is incompetent, yet they neither caused the crisis nor are they in charge of fixing it, only pressuring BP to continue to seek a solution. The “incompetent” label is surely misdirected.

[SK in CV]

[quote=greekfire]
You can’t imply that there should be more government intervention in private business and at the same time defend the government for incompetence when they say they are on top of things. You can’t have it both ways.
[/quote]

I’m reasonably sure no one has attempted to have it both ways. This disaster is the perfect example of the shortcomings of libertarian free market captialism. (As if the near collapse of the credit/financial markets 20 months ago wasn’t sufficient evidence.) The market does not take care of itself. The market will neither protect irreplaceable resources, nor repair them when damage is done. It has nothing to do with post-crisis managment or mismanagement.

If there had been no government involvement with this oil spill, would BP have acted any differently? I suspect so. It still would not have been fixed, but don’t suspect they would have spent the 10’s of millions on their attempts to mitigate the damage. There is no free market incentive for them to do that.

The government didn’t cause this disaster. The argument can be made that more government involvement possibly could have prevented it. Government involvement hasn’t delayed the end of the crisis. I suspect that both BP and the federal government are doing all they can to fix it. You argue that the government is incompetent, yet they neither caused the crisis nor are they in charge of fixing it, only pressuring BP to continue to seek a solution. The “incompetent” label is surely misdirected.

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