[sd_matt]

[quote=pri_dk]You have to indicate what measure you are using before you can name the “largest.” Depending on the measure, revenue, market cap, number of employees, etc., you will get different answers for largest.

However big oil will be at, or near the top, of any list of the largest.

[quote]AB32 penalizes everything else so Green can compete[/quote]

Use of the word “penalizes” is debatable – in fact, it is the debate.

The argument in favor of AB32 is that it imposes the full (and correct) cost on producers, instead of allowing them to pass on costs to public (in the form of pollution.)

The question:

Is it a”penalty,” or is it the elimination of an “unfair advantage.”[/quote]
If AB 32 played “Uncle Sugar” to anyone that made green energy cheaper than fossil fuels (more specifically able to compete without gov’t subsidies) I would be all for it.

As it stands I’ve asked BGIG the question at least two times. I’ll ask it again Mr Troll..ahem…BGIG…What does AB 32 do that rewards the person/entity that makes the cheap green thneed?

[sd_matt]

[quote=pri_dk]You have to indicate what measure you are using before you can name the “largest.” Depending on the measure, revenue, market cap, number of employees, etc., you will get different answers for largest.

However big oil will be at, or near the top, of any list of the largest.

[quote]AB32 penalizes everything else so Green can compete[/quote]

Use of the word “penalizes” is debatable – in fact, it is the debate.

The argument in favor of AB32 is that it imposes the full (and correct) cost on producers, instead of allowing them to pass on costs to public (in the form of pollution.)

The question:

Is it a”penalty,” or is it the elimination of an “unfair advantage.”[/quote]
If AB 32 played “Uncle Sugar” to anyone that made green energy cheaper than fossil fuels (more specifically able to compete without gov’t subsidies) I would be all for it.

As it stands I’ve asked BGIG the question at least two times. I’ll ask it again Mr Troll..ahem…BGIG…What does AB 32 do that rewards the person/entity that makes the cheap green thneed?

[sd_matt]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=sd_matt]
By your own standard. You still refuse to articulate just how AB32 will encourage the development of cheap green energy.[/quote]

Matt: All due respect, you’re arguing with a known troll. He cannot successfully articulate or advance an argument. He accuses others of being simpletons, but his retorts, such as they are, are the height of mendacity.

If you look at his inability to get facts straight, absurd extrapolations based on single data points (“Apple is successful, so ALL businesses in California are successful”) and the instant retreat to ad hominem when challenged, you’ll see immediately what you’re dealing with.

Don’t waste your breath, dude, it ain’t worth your time. Go organize your sock drawer, or watch Carrot Top videos. Its a better use of your day than crossing swords with this mental bantamweight.[/quote]

Ahh you know…it kills time

[sd_matt]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=sd_matt]
By your own standard. You still refuse to articulate just how AB32 will encourage the development of cheap green energy.[/quote]

Matt: All due respect, you’re arguing with a known troll. He cannot successfully articulate or advance an argument. He accuses others of being simpletons, but his retorts, such as they are, are the height of mendacity.

If you look at his inability to get facts straight, absurd extrapolations based on single data points (“Apple is successful, so ALL businesses in California are successful”) and the instant retreat to ad hominem when challenged, you’ll see immediately what you’re dealing with.

Don’t waste your breath, dude, it ain’t worth your time. Go organize your sock drawer, or watch Carrot Top videos. Its a better use of your day than crossing swords with this mental bantamweight.[/quote]

Ahh you know…it kills time

[sd_matt]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=sd_matt]
By your own standard. You still refuse to articulate just how AB32 will encourage the development of cheap green energy.[/quote]

Matt: All due respect, you’re arguing with a known troll. He cannot successfully articulate or advance an argument. He accuses others of being simpletons, but his retorts, such as they are, are the height of mendacity.

If you look at his inability to get facts straight, absurd extrapolations based on single data points (“Apple is successful, so ALL businesses in California are successful”) and the instant retreat to ad hominem when challenged, you’ll see immediately what you’re dealing with.

Don’t waste your breath, dude, it ain’t worth your time. Go organize your sock drawer, or watch Carrot Top videos. Its a better use of your day than crossing swords with this mental bantamweight.[/quote]

Ahh you know…it kills time

[sd_matt]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=sd_matt]
By your own standard. You still refuse to articulate just how AB32 will encourage the development of cheap green energy.[/quote]

Matt: All due respect, you’re arguing with a known troll. He cannot successfully articulate or advance an argument. He accuses others of being simpletons, but his retorts, such as they are, are the height of mendacity.

If you look at his inability to get facts straight, absurd extrapolations based on single data points (“Apple is successful, so ALL businesses in California are successful”) and the instant retreat to ad hominem when challenged, you’ll see immediately what you’re dealing with.

Don’t waste your breath, dude, it ain’t worth your time. Go organize your sock drawer, or watch Carrot Top videos. Its a better use of your day than crossing swords with this mental bantamweight.[/quote]

Ahh you know…it kills time

[sd_matt]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=sd_matt]
By your own standard. You still refuse to articulate just how AB32 will encourage the development of cheap green energy.[/quote]

Matt: All due respect, you’re arguing with a known troll. He cannot successfully articulate or advance an argument. He accuses others of being simpletons, but his retorts, such as they are, are the height of mendacity.

If you look at his inability to get facts straight, absurd extrapolations based on single data points (“Apple is successful, so ALL businesses in California are successful”) and the instant retreat to ad hominem when challenged, you’ll see immediately what you’re dealing with.

Don’t waste your breath, dude, it ain’t worth your time. Go organize your sock drawer, or watch Carrot Top videos. Its a better use of your day than crossing swords with this mental bantamweight.[/quote]

Ahh you know…it kills time

[sd_matt]

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[sd_matt]

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[sd_matt]

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I like the music from Beverly Hills Cop

[sd_matt]

[quote=BigGovernmentIsGood][quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
And it no longer is. Not like it used to be, anyway. It has destroyed its competitive advantage, and due to not only regulation, but also due to excessive litigation and prohibitively expensive insurance that arose due to that litigation.
[/quote]

The Kauffman Foundation ranks California as the 8th best state for New Economy businesses:

http://www.kauffman.org/uploadedfiles/2008_state_new_economy_index_120908.pdf

I suspect you are lamenting the loss of old-line businesses that polluted the hell out of the environment. While those businesses are moving out, innovative new startups are cropping up all the time.

Proposition 23 is currently polling at 45% against with only 34% for it:

Poll shows Proposition 23 losing support in California

It looks like it’s going to go down in flames and you can look forward to more of those businesses who make money by making the public pay for their externalities leaving the state. I say good riddance. For every pollution-based business that leaves, there will be 100 technology-based startups to take their place.[/quote]

…100 tech based startups…we shall see.

[sd_matt]

[quote=BigGovernmentIsGood][quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
And it no longer is. Not like it used to be, anyway. It has destroyed its competitive advantage, and due to not only regulation, but also due to excessive litigation and prohibitively expensive insurance that arose due to that litigation.
[/quote]

The Kauffman Foundation ranks California as the 8th best state for New Economy businesses:

http://www.kauffman.org/uploadedfiles/2008_state_new_economy_index_120908.pdf

I suspect you are lamenting the loss of old-line businesses that polluted the hell out of the environment. While those businesses are moving out, innovative new startups are cropping up all the time.

Proposition 23 is currently polling at 45% against with only 34% for it:

Poll shows Proposition 23 losing support in California

It looks like it’s going to go down in flames and you can look forward to more of those businesses who make money by making the public pay for their externalities leaving the state. I say good riddance. For every pollution-based business that leaves, there will be 100 technology-based startups to take their place.[/quote]

…100 tech based startups…we shall see.

[sd_matt]

[quote=BigGovernmentIsGood][quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
And it no longer is. Not like it used to be, anyway. It has destroyed its competitive advantage, and due to not only regulation, but also due to excessive litigation and prohibitively expensive insurance that arose due to that litigation.
[/quote]

The Kauffman Foundation ranks California as the 8th best state for New Economy businesses:

http://www.kauffman.org/uploadedfiles/2008_state_new_economy_index_120908.pdf

I suspect you are lamenting the loss of old-line businesses that polluted the hell out of the environment. While those businesses are moving out, innovative new startups are cropping up all the time.

Proposition 23 is currently polling at 45% against with only 34% for it:

Poll shows Proposition 23 losing support in California

It looks like it’s going to go down in flames and you can look forward to more of those businesses who make money by making the public pay for their externalities leaving the state. I say good riddance. For every pollution-based business that leaves, there will be 100 technology-based startups to take their place.[/quote]

…100 tech based startups…we shall see.

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