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Participant[quote=briansd1]Allan, here’s my view on Clinton.
Clinton had sex and he lied about it to cover up his affair. Sure he lied, but if nobody had asked about the trysts then he would not have had to lie.
It was chicken shit for the right to try to get our president over sex by using technicalities in the law.
What the right did was not honorable. They couldn’t get him on the important issues so they tried to get him for sex.
So, yes, I excuse Clinton’s misdeeds.
And, yes, all politicians’ ethics are questionable. Some politicians are much worse than others.
But, unlike conservatives, liberals are more willing to look at the context of the transgressions.
To me, conservatives are like communists. They hide behind ideals that nobody can live up to and they use ideology to control people. And they misunderstand human nature.[/quote]
Calling an affair a national security issue was indeed chicken shit. It lowered the bar.
Participant[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]Brian: Okay. Essentially, glib BS and a complete whitewash.
I would admonish you (again) not to attack conservatives without basis, but its clear that would be pointless.
As far as Clinton goes: Whatever. In your book, morals and ethics are situational for people you favor and cast in stone for those whom you don’t.
As far as ideology goes: You might want to read some more history. Both Left and Right are guilty of ideological lockstep, but you seem blind to that fact. Again, what your guys do is okay and those who oppose you are all lying, cheating malcontents bent on humanity’s destruction. That kind of thinking is especially helpful to demagogues and ideologues of all stripes.
Have fun with whomever else here that wants to lock rapiers with you; I’m done. This isn’t a dialogue with someone who is capable of understanding an opposing point of view or admitting when they might be wrong, so what is the point in continuing? My hat off to whomever propagandized you: They did a great job.[/quote]
Lol. I guess I’m just bored.
Participant[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]Brian: Okay. Essentially, glib BS and a complete whitewash.
I would admonish you (again) not to attack conservatives without basis, but its clear that would be pointless.
As far as Clinton goes: Whatever. In your book, morals and ethics are situational for people you favor and cast in stone for those whom you don’t.
As far as ideology goes: You might want to read some more history. Both Left and Right are guilty of ideological lockstep, but you seem blind to that fact. Again, what your guys do is okay and those who oppose you are all lying, cheating malcontents bent on humanity’s destruction. That kind of thinking is especially helpful to demagogues and ideologues of all stripes.
Have fun with whomever else here that wants to lock rapiers with you; I’m done. This isn’t a dialogue with someone who is capable of understanding an opposing point of view or admitting when they might be wrong, so what is the point in continuing? My hat off to whomever propagandized you: They did a great job.[/quote]
Lol. I guess I’m just bored.
Participant[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]Brian: Okay. Essentially, glib BS and a complete whitewash.
I would admonish you (again) not to attack conservatives without basis, but its clear that would be pointless.
As far as Clinton goes: Whatever. In your book, morals and ethics are situational for people you favor and cast in stone for those whom you don’t.
As far as ideology goes: You might want to read some more history. Both Left and Right are guilty of ideological lockstep, but you seem blind to that fact. Again, what your guys do is okay and those who oppose you are all lying, cheating malcontents bent on humanity’s destruction. That kind of thinking is especially helpful to demagogues and ideologues of all stripes.
Have fun with whomever else here that wants to lock rapiers with you; I’m done. This isn’t a dialogue with someone who is capable of understanding an opposing point of view or admitting when they might be wrong, so what is the point in continuing? My hat off to whomever propagandized you: They did a great job.[/quote]
Lol. I guess I’m just bored.
Participant[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]Brian: Okay. Essentially, glib BS and a complete whitewash.
I would admonish you (again) not to attack conservatives without basis, but its clear that would be pointless.
As far as Clinton goes: Whatever. In your book, morals and ethics are situational for people you favor and cast in stone for those whom you don’t.
As far as ideology goes: You might want to read some more history. Both Left and Right are guilty of ideological lockstep, but you seem blind to that fact. Again, what your guys do is okay and those who oppose you are all lying, cheating malcontents bent on humanity’s destruction. That kind of thinking is especially helpful to demagogues and ideologues of all stripes.
Have fun with whomever else here that wants to lock rapiers with you; I’m done. This isn’t a dialogue with someone who is capable of understanding an opposing point of view or admitting when they might be wrong, so what is the point in continuing? My hat off to whomever propagandized you: They did a great job.[/quote]
Lol. I guess I’m just bored.
Participant[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]Brian: Okay. Essentially, glib BS and a complete whitewash.
I would admonish you (again) not to attack conservatives without basis, but its clear that would be pointless.
As far as Clinton goes: Whatever. In your book, morals and ethics are situational for people you favor and cast in stone for those whom you don’t.
As far as ideology goes: You might want to read some more history. Both Left and Right are guilty of ideological lockstep, but you seem blind to that fact. Again, what your guys do is okay and those who oppose you are all lying, cheating malcontents bent on humanity’s destruction. That kind of thinking is especially helpful to demagogues and ideologues of all stripes.
Have fun with whomever else here that wants to lock rapiers with you; I’m done. This isn’t a dialogue with someone who is capable of understanding an opposing point of view or admitting when they might be wrong, so what is the point in continuing? My hat off to whomever propagandized you: They did a great job.[/quote]
Lol. I guess I’m just bored.
ParticipantSo some are indeed “more equal than others”
The baby didn’t ask to be brought over to that house. It was brought there. And now it has to play by that houses rules?
ParticipantSo some are indeed “more equal than others”
The baby didn’t ask to be brought over to that house. It was brought there. And now it has to play by that houses rules?
ParticipantSo some are indeed “more equal than others”
The baby didn’t ask to be brought over to that house. It was brought there. And now it has to play by that houses rules?
ParticipantSo some are indeed “more equal than others”
The baby didn’t ask to be brought over to that house. It was brought there. And now it has to play by that houses rules?
ParticipantSo some are indeed “more equal than others”
The baby didn’t ask to be brought over to that house. It was brought there. And now it has to play by that houses rules?
Participant[quote=briansd1]Allan, no, I don’t blame conservatives for everything.
“But I do blame conservatives for not living up to their own high moral standards.”
Judge the individual.
“For example sex. I think that adultery is no big deal. It’s something that should be worked-out between the partners involved and it’s none of anyone else’s business. As long at it’s legal, it’s fine by me.”
Elaborate in terms of defining a relationship and how important keeping ones word is. How does this relate to your code of ethics? How does that code of ethics hold a high moral ground?
“But for a conservative politician, who incessantly quotes the Bible, a sex scandal is huge deal. He should resign because he violated his own rules. ”
Yes he should.
“I feel sorry for Mark Sanford. He didn’t do anything morally or legally wrong in my book. If it weren’t for his past moral preachings, he should be allowed to remain in office and continue the affair while in office.”
This depends on how important it is to stick to your own stated values. This is one universal standard we can judge each other by.
Participant[quote=briansd1]Allan, no, I don’t blame conservatives for everything.
“But I do blame conservatives for not living up to their own high moral standards.”
Judge the individual.
“For example sex. I think that adultery is no big deal. It’s something that should be worked-out between the partners involved and it’s none of anyone else’s business. As long at it’s legal, it’s fine by me.”
Elaborate in terms of defining a relationship and how important keeping ones word is. How does this relate to your code of ethics? How does that code of ethics hold a high moral ground?
“But for a conservative politician, who incessantly quotes the Bible, a sex scandal is huge deal. He should resign because he violated his own rules. ”
Yes he should.
“I feel sorry for Mark Sanford. He didn’t do anything morally or legally wrong in my book. If it weren’t for his past moral preachings, he should be allowed to remain in office and continue the affair while in office.”
This depends on how important it is to stick to your own stated values. This is one universal standard we can judge each other by.
Participant[quote=briansd1]Allan, no, I don’t blame conservatives for everything.
“But I do blame conservatives for not living up to their own high moral standards.”
Judge the individual.
“For example sex. I think that adultery is no big deal. It’s something that should be worked-out between the partners involved and it’s none of anyone else’s business. As long at it’s legal, it’s fine by me.”
Elaborate in terms of defining a relationship and how important keeping ones word is. How does this relate to your code of ethics? How does that code of ethics hold a high moral ground?
“But for a conservative politician, who incessantly quotes the Bible, a sex scandal is huge deal. He should resign because he violated his own rules. ”
Yes he should.
“I feel sorry for Mark Sanford. He didn’t do anything morally or legally wrong in my book. If it weren’t for his past moral preachings, he should be allowed to remain in office and continue the affair while in office.”
This depends on how important it is to stick to your own stated values. This is one universal standard we can judge each other by.
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