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ParticipantIt is fairly trivial to change the manner of title for residence, primary or not primary. Our rental properties are held in our living trusts but whenever we refi them they are pulled out, refinanced, then put back in. Learning the differences in title is good for you to do, be it on your own or with an attorney. However how you take title at the purchase of the property doesn’t lock you in and it is very inexpensive to change title.
SD Realtor
ParticipantIt is fairly trivial to change the manner of title for residence, primary or not primary. Our rental properties are held in our living trusts but whenever we refi them they are pulled out, refinanced, then put back in. Learning the differences in title is good for you to do, be it on your own or with an attorney. However how you take title at the purchase of the property doesn’t lock you in and it is very inexpensive to change title.
SD Realtor
ParticipantIt is fairly trivial to change the manner of title for residence, primary or not primary. Our rental properties are held in our living trusts but whenever we refi them they are pulled out, refinanced, then put back in. Learning the differences in title is good for you to do, be it on your own or with an attorney. However how you take title at the purchase of the property doesn’t lock you in and it is very inexpensive to change title.
SD Realtor
ParticipantYes of course it can be argued that not all teachers deserve x dollars. Very true and a “fair way” to determine compensation will be good. I am just not of the opinion about this “training stuff”.
Yes you get paid well as an engineer because why? Because you are trained well? Because you got a BS or MSEE and can write code? Okay that does make sense. However you get paid well because it is MARKET DRIVEN. That lost artifact called a free market. You can take your same training and your MARKET value in India would be less but you would be doing the same thing?
I have been in many outsourced projects, travelled across teams and worked with them. In most cases the quality of engineer is not less. It is the logistical problem, management problems, lack of contact with the systems guys that always hurts overseas teams.
Again, the training card just doesnt cut it for me. I do see value in advanced training, yes I do. However the most successful people I have met, (in terms of money they make) is more because of thier ambition, drive, and will to risk. Not because they took the safe job earning 90k or 120k or whatever the “trained” to do. My wifes best friends brother sells frigging hot dogs at all the state fairs, works about 5-6 months a year and makes way more then us engineers.
Sorry to get off topic. I don’t know, I just think that yes in alot of cases teachers do alot of work that goes under the radar. Teachers will influence my kids and spend alot of time with them. There are good teachers and bad teachers and there are good and bad engineers. I am not trying to bang on engineers. I am one. I just think that it can be argued teachers are just as important albeit may not have received a BSEE.
SD Realtor
ParticipantYes of course it can be argued that not all teachers deserve x dollars. Very true and a “fair way” to determine compensation will be good. I am just not of the opinion about this “training stuff”.
Yes you get paid well as an engineer because why? Because you are trained well? Because you got a BS or MSEE and can write code? Okay that does make sense. However you get paid well because it is MARKET DRIVEN. That lost artifact called a free market. You can take your same training and your MARKET value in India would be less but you would be doing the same thing?
I have been in many outsourced projects, travelled across teams and worked with them. In most cases the quality of engineer is not less. It is the logistical problem, management problems, lack of contact with the systems guys that always hurts overseas teams.
Again, the training card just doesnt cut it for me. I do see value in advanced training, yes I do. However the most successful people I have met, (in terms of money they make) is more because of thier ambition, drive, and will to risk. Not because they took the safe job earning 90k or 120k or whatever the “trained” to do. My wifes best friends brother sells frigging hot dogs at all the state fairs, works about 5-6 months a year and makes way more then us engineers.
Sorry to get off topic. I don’t know, I just think that yes in alot of cases teachers do alot of work that goes under the radar. Teachers will influence my kids and spend alot of time with them. There are good teachers and bad teachers and there are good and bad engineers. I am not trying to bang on engineers. I am one. I just think that it can be argued teachers are just as important albeit may not have received a BSEE.
SD Realtor
ParticipantYes of course it can be argued that not all teachers deserve x dollars. Very true and a “fair way” to determine compensation will be good. I am just not of the opinion about this “training stuff”.
Yes you get paid well as an engineer because why? Because you are trained well? Because you got a BS or MSEE and can write code? Okay that does make sense. However you get paid well because it is MARKET DRIVEN. That lost artifact called a free market. You can take your same training and your MARKET value in India would be less but you would be doing the same thing?
I have been in many outsourced projects, travelled across teams and worked with them. In most cases the quality of engineer is not less. It is the logistical problem, management problems, lack of contact with the systems guys that always hurts overseas teams.
Again, the training card just doesnt cut it for me. I do see value in advanced training, yes I do. However the most successful people I have met, (in terms of money they make) is more because of thier ambition, drive, and will to risk. Not because they took the safe job earning 90k or 120k or whatever the “trained” to do. My wifes best friends brother sells frigging hot dogs at all the state fairs, works about 5-6 months a year and makes way more then us engineers.
Sorry to get off topic. I don’t know, I just think that yes in alot of cases teachers do alot of work that goes under the radar. Teachers will influence my kids and spend alot of time with them. There are good teachers and bad teachers and there are good and bad engineers. I am not trying to bang on engineers. I am one. I just think that it can be argued teachers are just as important albeit may not have received a BSEE.
SD Realtor
ParticipantYes of course it can be argued that not all teachers deserve x dollars. Very true and a “fair way” to determine compensation will be good. I am just not of the opinion about this “training stuff”.
Yes you get paid well as an engineer because why? Because you are trained well? Because you got a BS or MSEE and can write code? Okay that does make sense. However you get paid well because it is MARKET DRIVEN. That lost artifact called a free market. You can take your same training and your MARKET value in India would be less but you would be doing the same thing?
I have been in many outsourced projects, travelled across teams and worked with them. In most cases the quality of engineer is not less. It is the logistical problem, management problems, lack of contact with the systems guys that always hurts overseas teams.
Again, the training card just doesnt cut it for me. I do see value in advanced training, yes I do. However the most successful people I have met, (in terms of money they make) is more because of thier ambition, drive, and will to risk. Not because they took the safe job earning 90k or 120k or whatever the “trained” to do. My wifes best friends brother sells frigging hot dogs at all the state fairs, works about 5-6 months a year and makes way more then us engineers.
Sorry to get off topic. I don’t know, I just think that yes in alot of cases teachers do alot of work that goes under the radar. Teachers will influence my kids and spend alot of time with them. There are good teachers and bad teachers and there are good and bad engineers. I am not trying to bang on engineers. I am one. I just think that it can be argued teachers are just as important albeit may not have received a BSEE.
SD Realtor
ParticipantYes of course it can be argued that not all teachers deserve x dollars. Very true and a “fair way” to determine compensation will be good. I am just not of the opinion about this “training stuff”.
Yes you get paid well as an engineer because why? Because you are trained well? Because you got a BS or MSEE and can write code? Okay that does make sense. However you get paid well because it is MARKET DRIVEN. That lost artifact called a free market. You can take your same training and your MARKET value in India would be less but you would be doing the same thing?
I have been in many outsourced projects, travelled across teams and worked with them. In most cases the quality of engineer is not less. It is the logistical problem, management problems, lack of contact with the systems guys that always hurts overseas teams.
Again, the training card just doesnt cut it for me. I do see value in advanced training, yes I do. However the most successful people I have met, (in terms of money they make) is more because of thier ambition, drive, and will to risk. Not because they took the safe job earning 90k or 120k or whatever the “trained” to do. My wifes best friends brother sells frigging hot dogs at all the state fairs, works about 5-6 months a year and makes way more then us engineers.
Sorry to get off topic. I don’t know, I just think that yes in alot of cases teachers do alot of work that goes under the radar. Teachers will influence my kids and spend alot of time with them. There are good teachers and bad teachers and there are good and bad engineers. I am not trying to bang on engineers. I am one. I just think that it can be argued teachers are just as important albeit may not have received a BSEE.
SD Realtor
ParticipantI think the overpaid card can be applied to alot of professions. I know a plumber who works for the city of San Diego who makes over 100k. I call my attorney and ask for a simple letter and it costs 150 bucks. I know countless directors at large firms who pull over 200k. I know countless guys who have been from one failed startup to another and are just retreads who make money hand over fist… Check into how much money the orange vested guys who sit on the asphalt trucks eating a donut while you sit in traffic make.
I think the argument can be expanded in a big way. Do I think teachers are overpaid? Well I guess it can be argued yes… however I think it can be extended to alot of other “professions”.
Maybe it is because I have kids and when you have kids you start to think in a different manner and you start to place value on those who influence your kids… maybe not.. .I don’t know… it is just different thats all. Back in the day when I was a guy writing code with no kids the world revolved around me. I was smart and my coworkers were smart and I viewed most other people in other professions either as morons or as people who couldn’t hack what I could do. They couldnt achieve the degree I had and they certainly couldn’t keep up with me writing code or designing ASICs…To me accountants and economists were failed engineers, doctors and bio guys were engineers in a different field, everyone else was someone who couldnt do what I accomplished. Maybe it was just me… probably was…
Things started to change when my wife opened her small biz and then when I opened my brokerage in 03 and started meeting alot of people from what I call the real world. Wildly successful people who took risks and some made it and some didnt…
Anyways sorry for the deviation… to me alot of people are overpaid… even realtors.
SD Realtor
ParticipantI think the overpaid card can be applied to alot of professions. I know a plumber who works for the city of San Diego who makes over 100k. I call my attorney and ask for a simple letter and it costs 150 bucks. I know countless directors at large firms who pull over 200k. I know countless guys who have been from one failed startup to another and are just retreads who make money hand over fist… Check into how much money the orange vested guys who sit on the asphalt trucks eating a donut while you sit in traffic make.
I think the argument can be expanded in a big way. Do I think teachers are overpaid? Well I guess it can be argued yes… however I think it can be extended to alot of other “professions”.
Maybe it is because I have kids and when you have kids you start to think in a different manner and you start to place value on those who influence your kids… maybe not.. .I don’t know… it is just different thats all. Back in the day when I was a guy writing code with no kids the world revolved around me. I was smart and my coworkers were smart and I viewed most other people in other professions either as morons or as people who couldn’t hack what I could do. They couldnt achieve the degree I had and they certainly couldn’t keep up with me writing code or designing ASICs…To me accountants and economists were failed engineers, doctors and bio guys were engineers in a different field, everyone else was someone who couldnt do what I accomplished. Maybe it was just me… probably was…
Things started to change when my wife opened her small biz and then when I opened my brokerage in 03 and started meeting alot of people from what I call the real world. Wildly successful people who took risks and some made it and some didnt…
Anyways sorry for the deviation… to me alot of people are overpaid… even realtors.
SD Realtor
ParticipantI think the overpaid card can be applied to alot of professions. I know a plumber who works for the city of San Diego who makes over 100k. I call my attorney and ask for a simple letter and it costs 150 bucks. I know countless directors at large firms who pull over 200k. I know countless guys who have been from one failed startup to another and are just retreads who make money hand over fist… Check into how much money the orange vested guys who sit on the asphalt trucks eating a donut while you sit in traffic make.
I think the argument can be expanded in a big way. Do I think teachers are overpaid? Well I guess it can be argued yes… however I think it can be extended to alot of other “professions”.
Maybe it is because I have kids and when you have kids you start to think in a different manner and you start to place value on those who influence your kids… maybe not.. .I don’t know… it is just different thats all. Back in the day when I was a guy writing code with no kids the world revolved around me. I was smart and my coworkers were smart and I viewed most other people in other professions either as morons or as people who couldn’t hack what I could do. They couldnt achieve the degree I had and they certainly couldn’t keep up with me writing code or designing ASICs…To me accountants and economists were failed engineers, doctors and bio guys were engineers in a different field, everyone else was someone who couldnt do what I accomplished. Maybe it was just me… probably was…
Things started to change when my wife opened her small biz and then when I opened my brokerage in 03 and started meeting alot of people from what I call the real world. Wildly successful people who took risks and some made it and some didnt…
Anyways sorry for the deviation… to me alot of people are overpaid… even realtors.
SD Realtor
ParticipantI think the overpaid card can be applied to alot of professions. I know a plumber who works for the city of San Diego who makes over 100k. I call my attorney and ask for a simple letter and it costs 150 bucks. I know countless directors at large firms who pull over 200k. I know countless guys who have been from one failed startup to another and are just retreads who make money hand over fist… Check into how much money the orange vested guys who sit on the asphalt trucks eating a donut while you sit in traffic make.
I think the argument can be expanded in a big way. Do I think teachers are overpaid? Well I guess it can be argued yes… however I think it can be extended to alot of other “professions”.
Maybe it is because I have kids and when you have kids you start to think in a different manner and you start to place value on those who influence your kids… maybe not.. .I don’t know… it is just different thats all. Back in the day when I was a guy writing code with no kids the world revolved around me. I was smart and my coworkers were smart and I viewed most other people in other professions either as morons or as people who couldn’t hack what I could do. They couldnt achieve the degree I had and they certainly couldn’t keep up with me writing code or designing ASICs…To me accountants and economists were failed engineers, doctors and bio guys were engineers in a different field, everyone else was someone who couldnt do what I accomplished. Maybe it was just me… probably was…
Things started to change when my wife opened her small biz and then when I opened my brokerage in 03 and started meeting alot of people from what I call the real world. Wildly successful people who took risks and some made it and some didnt…
Anyways sorry for the deviation… to me alot of people are overpaid… even realtors.
SD Realtor
ParticipantI think the overpaid card can be applied to alot of professions. I know a plumber who works for the city of San Diego who makes over 100k. I call my attorney and ask for a simple letter and it costs 150 bucks. I know countless directors at large firms who pull over 200k. I know countless guys who have been from one failed startup to another and are just retreads who make money hand over fist… Check into how much money the orange vested guys who sit on the asphalt trucks eating a donut while you sit in traffic make.
I think the argument can be expanded in a big way. Do I think teachers are overpaid? Well I guess it can be argued yes… however I think it can be extended to alot of other “professions”.
Maybe it is because I have kids and when you have kids you start to think in a different manner and you start to place value on those who influence your kids… maybe not.. .I don’t know… it is just different thats all. Back in the day when I was a guy writing code with no kids the world revolved around me. I was smart and my coworkers were smart and I viewed most other people in other professions either as morons or as people who couldn’t hack what I could do. They couldnt achieve the degree I had and they certainly couldn’t keep up with me writing code or designing ASICs…To me accountants and economists were failed engineers, doctors and bio guys were engineers in a different field, everyone else was someone who couldnt do what I accomplished. Maybe it was just me… probably was…
Things started to change when my wife opened her small biz and then when I opened my brokerage in 03 and started meeting alot of people from what I call the real world. Wildly successful people who took risks and some made it and some didnt…
Anyways sorry for the deviation… to me alot of people are overpaid… even realtors.
SD Realtor
ParticipantActually no it is not. I have been an ASIC engineer for over 20 years with work at General Instrument, Motorola, 2 startups, IDT and AMCC. I have been in both roles of designer and manager. I also have a few kids as well.
I have faced those same deadline pressures, code release dates, tapeout dates, yada yada. I have seen 1 line of code ruin entire mask sets. So it goes. I have had to patch code in the middle of the night as well.
I also have kids and understand the challenges of raising them. The bottom line is, if you have kids, your teacher will spend more waking time with your kids then you will over a year for most working folks. You may want to call them a glorified babysitter if you want.
For me working a 60 or 70 hour week surrounded by engineers and writing code/running sims/ etc is easier then kids. I think that for 80 or 90% of the engineers out there, the same would be true. So you can talk about the pressures and such, and validate the job in that manner, however I think the teaching job would actually be harder for you. Your skill set of writing code may not necessarly translate to the tedium and patience required of teaching.
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